"When I realise that it is clowns like you who will one day make decisions for Australians, I am very glad that I am on the down hill run".

And so say all of us!

Rainier,

You're a wicked, wicked man!

A feature i find most attractive I might add! ; )

Care to add your own perspective on values to be included in the list or are you happy with what this discussion has highlighted so far?

BrainDrain, you have yet to answer my question - which of the values in the list you appear to have settled upon is not already fully supported by existing laws of the country?

If the answer is "none", what exactly is missing?

If on the other hand you are able to isolate a value that is not fully supported by the force of our laws, what legislation would you propose in order that it becomes so supported?

I still find that the search for these mythical beasts is some kind of cover-up, perhaps for more draconian laws, perhaps just as a cry of frustration that "other people" don't conform to ones own particular norms.

What is your motivation, BrainDrain?

Forgive me Pericles, I thought you might have read the posts here and accepted what was written as honest.

Perhaps you are too busy to read all of the posts you write to so to make it easier for you i'll cut and paste the parts of this post relative to your questions:

'Although our Justice System is designed to 'reflect' many, if not all these, I want them made CRYSTAL, not just 'implied'.'

'I want to try and define a simple, complete, written set of Aussie Values to teach our kids and new immigrants, as well as current occupants, by rote, if necessary, and make sure ALL Australians understand and even discuss them (to master common understanding) at party's instead of comparing house prices.'

'I pose the question: Just which values are we going to claim as Australian and seek for all Australians to uphold at fear of Expulsion or Deportation (and just who are we going to make accept our 'rejects' is another question entirely. Nauru perhaps? - new discussion please someone?)'(the last bit after 'to uphold' was said slightly tongue-in-cheek)

'I do NOT want to indulge in the kind of populist vote-catching crap i get from party politicos'.

Too complicated for you? Too much wishy-washy 'claptrap'?

Doubt my sincerity and suspect a hidden agenda, perhaps?

Your comment:
'We can argue 'til the cows come home whether "mateship" is an Austrayan vayyew, or whether it is a reassuring but mythical social construct designed to fill a cultural void. But the fact remains that it is an absolutely pointless exercise unless you are prepared to translate it into something that is both unmistakeably recognizable and utterly consistent.'
might reflect your desire to do nothing in the least bit constructive and to just pick and bicker, much like the lovely Leigh does, but i am not interested in arguing these values, only collecting them from as many Aussies as care to contribute something constructive and refining them into a simple and clear group as many of us as possible can agree upon.

unmistakeably recognizable and utterly consistent?
cont.

This is IT (currently): 'Honesty, Respect, Courage, Strength (through diversity?), Integrity, Responsibility, Fairness, Compassion, Equality, Mateship of the Anzac Spirit, Allegiance to the sustenance and improvement of the Australian Nation.'

For a more complete understanding see 'Australian Values' on my webspace at the icon link below.

Once done I shall be doing all in my power to raise support from Australians to make the politicians who try to sneak a few racist and patriot votes with their weasly suggestions for a 'test' new immigrants must pass (that many natural born Aussies would likely fail) enter them, as is, into statements in all areas of legislation under government constitutional authority, Executive, Judicial and Parliament, both Federal and State.

I'm sure this may seem simplistic to you and it is. Sometimes the simple is what is needed when we tend to make things overly complicated.

To directly answer your last questions (I thought i had answered your initial one in the replies i quoted and posted before, above, albeit not with a name for your identification):
What is missing is any agreement in Unity as to what Australian values actually ARE (they are not written down as a clear LIST, even for discussion), and
My Motive is to eliminate divisism and find commonality of purpose and clarity of what we as Australians most VALUE in terms of our Ideals (morally, ethically) and ensuring all Australians current and future appreciate them more and use them as a guide to all action and thought.

Now I have two questions for you:

Show me exactly where in the curent legislation the values i have gathered so far are defined and enshrined in our current legislation (I want to see them in writing, specifically)
and,
What values do you as ONE Australian hold fast to?

Do I put you down as a 'no' for supporting my plan to make the self-serving pollies actually do something decent and help lead the country to some unity for a change instead of making rabidly divisive comments and sniping at one another all day long in Parliament?