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Paying the True Cost of Air Conditioning
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Posted by Forrest Gumpp, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 9:58:17 AM
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essentially any properly engineered infrastructure went out the window once the "open market" started in 1995 and what we called the "kilowatt cowboys" [bean counters, stock market freaks] got into the market as "consultants" and also hired by the various new suppliers, all trying to do deals with [large] customers, ie deregulation.
at that stage I decided to get OUT of being a [proper] consultant and came to FNQ [where of course there are no buildings big enough to need my expertise]. So I essentially lost all interest in "the big picture" but could fill pages and pages explaining all these matters [and not just in Oz]. But I don't really think anyone would understand things like leading/lagging PF etc Posted by Divorce Doctor, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 10:57:29 AM
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Forrest Gumpp
Even when I'm running my air conditioner, there needs to be a reserve. In the short term, reserve is there to cope with system failures, and random variations in demand. The further demand eats into the reserve, the more vulnerable the system becomes, and NEMMCO will direct load shedding to maintain the reserve and protect the system. So there still needs to be extra generating capacity in the system specifically to cope with the kind of extreme peak I, and my ilk, cause by running air conditioners. On the issue of whether there is adequate reserve in the system, NSW is better placed than other states. NEMMCO's medium term outlook graphs http://www.nemmco.com.au/data/MToutlook.htm show all NEMMCO states except NSW has having medium term reserve shortfalls. Though I'm not sure why TAS shows one. If I were living in Victoria or SA, I'd be particularly concerned, with a reasonable expectation of further outages in the coming months, and I'd certainly be thinking of buying a generator. Yamaha produce a 2.4kW model that would power my study nicely, including the air conditioner. As I'm in NSW, I'm in two minds as to whether it's worth the expenditure - it might never get used at anywhere near its power capacity. That said, the pain of load shedding is spread around - people lose power for an hour, then it's restored, and other people lose it for an hour, and so on. Of greater concern in some respects are the gross failures of overloaded substation equipment (transformers in particular), where the supply may be disconnected for as long as it takes to replace the equipment. Sylvia. Posted by Sylvia Else, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 11:08:50 AM
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Sylvia, thanks for that link to the National Electricity Marketing Management Company medium term forecasts. You observe that NSW is presented as having no forecast Demand Reserve shortfall at any time during the period. Did you notice that the graph appears to have the colours for 'Demand' and 'Demand + Reserve' reversed? Is this a simple 'typo' in the form of reversal of the colours do you think, or is it a more serious error that has resulted in the possible concealing of reserve shortfalls?
Note particularly the event graphically forecast for around the beginning of April 2009 for NSW. I am not sure how to interpret this in relation to the 'DSP' graph which the seemingly mis-coloured 'Demand + Reserve' curve momentarily exceeds. The reason I comment is that I understand NSW and Tasmania to be the only nett importers of electricity, on an overall basis, amongst the NEMMCO States. Queensland I understand to be the only nett exporter, on the same basis. I derive this from the information in this link: http://www.esaa.com.au/images/stories/Market_reports/2008_07_26nem.pdf I would have thought such nett importer status might have predisposed toward at least some forecast reserve shortfalls. But I suspect I digress. Sylvia says: ".....the pain of load shedding is spread around - people lose power for an hour, then it's restored, and other people lose it for an hour, and so on." How can we be sure load shedding is fairly spread around? Is there a statutorily required published record of all load shedding directed by NEMMCO showing what areas have been affected, and upon what dates and times, and for what duration? Is not the whole claimed point of NEMMCO that it be able to deploy available and/or reserve capacity existing in one State in alleviation of shortfall in another? I guess my reason for not embracing your 'air conditioner user-pays' for extra capacity to meet this so-called extra demand is a sense that the already highest-paying best customers, retail consumers, look like being treated the worst. Posted by Forrest Gumpp, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 3:12:40 PM
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Forrest Gumpp
Yes, I did notice the apparent error in the labelling. I suppose if you squint a bit, you can see a possible reserve shortfall briefly in April, though it would depend on the exact shape of the underlying line. The raw data might indicate otherwise. As for whether load shedding will be shared around fairly, I suppose one has to trust the distributors to do this, but they have an incentive - reports of several areas without power for one hour each play better in the media than do reports of one area without power for several hours. The purpose of NEMMCO is to create and operate the electricity market, and manage overall system security (in the power, not terrorism, sense). It doesn't direct power flows between regions. Rather, these are based on price - a region with a supply shortfall will offer a higher price than a region with adequate supply. However, this mechanism is constrained by the capacity of the transmission lines, which isn't really that great in the scheme of things. Posted by Sylvia Else, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 3:44:53 PM
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Divorce Doctor: essentially any properly engineered infrastructure went out the window once the "open market" started in 1995
That is a depressing picture you paint Divorce Doctor. I hope Enron, the Auckland fiasco, and the North American Blackout of 2003 has brought some sanity back into the situation. Here in Queensland we were about 1 year away from "the brink", but it seems the powers that be noticed just in time and did something. I am not sure linking the whole country into one big grid was the right something though. Posted by rstuart, Thursday, 5 February 2009 9:28:17 PM
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The issue? Electricity supply. Widespread public opposition to the sell-off of publicly owned electricity generation and distribution business assets. Prospective dramatic increases in domestic electricity tariffs, accompanied by claimed uncertainties as to continuity of supply into the future if new investment, claimed to be only possible if the grid is 'privatised', is not made. All in all, a pretty significant public interest issue.
Sylvia said:
"During hot weather I cause my electricity demand to rise above the level it reaches at the same time on other days. Constructing a system that allows me to do that has a cost, and I really ought to be paying it all myself, rather than imposing a hidden cost on those not fortunate to have his particularly luxury in life."
Er, no, Sylvia. It has long been accepted that provision has had to be made in any grid electricity supply system that there be a margin of generating capacity in excess of 'normal' or 'predictable' requirements.
It seems that for around 20 years the ongoing investment that would normally prudently have been being made by entities of the like of the then NSW Electricity Commission, in expanded generating capacity and grid capability, have been being avoided. To the consuming paying public, this looks like betrayal of public trust, abdication from responsibility, and ultimately dereliction of public duty on the part of various State governments over those years.
That this betrayal of trust was able to be kept out of sight until recently may have been largely due to a willingness on the part of some in the departmental apparatus related to electricity supply to participate in a National Electricity Market, a marketing arrangement claimed to constitute a possible evasion of provisions of the Constitution with respect to Federal governmental participation in that NEM.
More on 'maximum demand' tariffs, please.