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The Keegstra Case and Freedom of Expression.

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Perhaps a person should refer to fundamentalist teachings as aberrations of those religions most apt to be misinterpreted.

Lets face it all belief systems are open to judgement and censure. Judaism, Christianity and Islamic texts all contain passages that might lead one to believe the religion itself sets out to promote hatred and villifying those who do not follow the same path. The wording may vary but the meaning is the same. Some passages may be more repugnant than others and different versions of those texts may vary. It is the practice of those religions that really count - how does the religion affect others in society. The safety of a secular society is that we are all protected from zealots like this in the separation of powers.

As Pericles stated intent has to come into it. What was Keegstra's intent? Was it to instil and spread his hateful view of Jews to the children in his care. This was inappropriate in anyone's view I would think.

As a parent I also have a right that my children be protected from zealots preaching their particular brand of hatred, as Col touched on above.

In an adult world, people like Keegstra can be contested and debated and he is free to dig his own metaphorical grave, not so within a school situation where he has the duty of care of children.
Posted by pelican, Monday, 2 February 2009 8:38:13 AM
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Peter the Believer sounds more like Peter the Bigot when he wrote:

Much of what he accuses Jews of is rooted in Judaism. It is a religion that is rather stuck in a bloody and murderous past. By the same token, they suffered as much as they inflicted, and the teachings of Jesus which they refuse to adopt, Judge not that you be not judged, for with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged.

Dear Peter,

Some of Jesus' best lines come from the Jewish Bible. "Love thy neighbor as thyself" comes from Leviticus. With the Inquisition, the Wars of the Reformation, the Crusades, the Holocaust, enslavement in the Americas and other exercises of Christian inhumanity in the past and bombing of abortion clinics, murder of abortion doctors and fundamentalist Christians in the US encouraging Bush's aggressive policies Christians really have no right to judge anybody else.

The Imitation of Christ

Six feet two, eyes of blue
Jesus Christ, he was a Jew
Has anybody seen my lord?

Big hooked nose, There he goes
Preaching so that everyone knows
Has anybody seen my lord?

Speared by a Roman
In the abdomen
Blood gushing out

Rose from the dead
So it is said
People believe without a doubt

Jesus died, still a Jew
He's a Jew so why aren't you?
Has anybody seen my lord?
Posted by david f, Monday, 2 February 2009 10:09:58 AM
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That's a somewhat curious claim, Boaz, in the face of the facts.

>>His primary problem vis a vis the law was that he vilified "all Jews" specifically.. "Jews are"....etc. not "Judaism teaches..."<<

Not at all.

As the most cursory research will tell you, the case turned on the environment in which he delivered his views, not on those views themselves.

http://www.canlii.com/ca/sta/c-46/sec319.html

You can say what you like in private conversation, but you can't teach it.

Truth is indeed a defence, but I would be hesitant, if I were you, to presume that your own version of ancient scriptures and their meanings are watertight in this regard.

Because, as you yourself point out, there is just that little thing called "in good faith".

"(3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)
(a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;
(b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text"

You may get away with your argument and opinion based upon belief, Boaz.

But you'd fail, big time, the "in good faith" test.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 2 February 2009 4:49:19 PM
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