What everyone has failed to realise,is that as more countries industrialise so the price of energy and resources increases.Average real incomes actually fall due the demand on energy and resources.

There are no answers to this debt spiral.Only the large corporates and Central banks profit form this concentration of wealth in a few hands.The spike in demand has precipated this present downturn.It benefits not the ordinary people in any country to be paying a premium for necessities.Cheap energy and resources underpins our living standards,and more competition is shrinking the very fundamentals that underpin growth.

*Col* Now if U run yr own biz, do the planning, do all the thinking, carry the burden of the stress, the compliancy issues and all of the rest of it, I personally do not begrudge U making a reasonable say 3:1 profit. 5:1 as is generally currently applied is too much. I digress slightly but commodities in Australia are no longer priced on their value, but rather on the price the biz community believe U can afford. Competition, in a lot of areas, is a fallacy.

I myself have for 95%+ of my life also done my own thing. And there have been times for sure when I've thought, gee, wouldn't a nice cushy 9-5 job where I do a few repetitive processes for a fat public service permanent contract just be dandy, and I could indulge myself after hours in my hobbies. But for me .. no ..

Even so, a fair days pay for a fair days work. And of course, fetid troll or otherwise, let the garden be rich and thriving with a plethora of unique personalities, and U are of course very representative of a segment of Aussie society and U have for sure the full support of the collective to be here and speak, within reason, as U please.

However, yr comments about lawyers having to compete sound like they've come from a liberal party weeties box. Are U aware, if a claim is not worth more than $100,000 and U have say a supreme court action, unless u can represent yourself, u may as well not bother as the fees will all go to wigged parasites. As they say, the law is for the rich, in most countries of the world, and yada yada yada

Q: Why do lawyers have "stand up fees?"
A: Coz most of the time they're sitting on their a_ses.

What a joke.

Yeah the streeteys reckon it was indeed Mr Wudd's motorcade to which I earlier refered.

I wasn't going to say anything but really, why I wonder did Wudd only get "B" grade treatment. Let me cite a few particluars that I have personally witnessed that people may form to some extent their own views.

Usually, they shut down both sides of the street. And in addition to having coppers plus MP's on all of the corners, they also have the machine gun boys. Plus they have advanced, rear and flanking contingents who do a progressive crawl from start to finish.

People that I have seen very quickly get well away from the street front. Of course, Bush Turkey would have shut down the comms sats too plus just got a chopper from the hotel to the airport. Maybe I missed the chopper?

They did also have a warship out front of the hotel though. But a few Bakso boys with grenades or improvised fertiliser bombs wouldn't have had much trouble playing bounce the bullet proof merc. As for the mini buses, well, .. strawberry jam I reckon. Mr SuraBaYa is fair game himself of course.

A Muslim striker wouldn't get far afterwoulds, but I doubt that would concern them. Undoubtedly they'd go with a fatuos grin from ear to ear.

Post the executions, there was a 2 week spate of a rash of SMS threats and a lot of arrests, none of which made the news here. Seriously intense security in contrast, a chopper over us for days on end, patrols on the local streets busting everyone all day long and sending all the unregistered workers back to Jawa and Lombok. The fishermen were grounded and so on .. however ..

Maybe they should rename and call themselves the DuD instead of the DoD? As with the agencies, I assume this is a problem from only hiring from the shallow end of the gene pool.

Arjay “What everyone has failed to realise,is that as more countries industrialise so the price of energy and resources increases.”

The most critical resources are the technology transfer form one country to another. Building a “green field site has some advantages on rebuild an exist facility, most importantly

You don’t compromise on innovation and new design
You don’t inherit existing (negative) work practices.

The price of energy is partially mitigated by the use of more efficient modern processes but agree, I doubt the whole impact would have been assessed.

DreamOn “I personally do not begrudge U making a reasonable say 3:1 profit. 5:1 as is generally currently applied is too much.”

That is very “BIG” of you.

Personally, I do not begrudge you anything. I don’t consider your financial circumstances as any of my business thus, I hold no opinion to how many time the national average income you may aspire to.

Similarly “indulge myself after hours in my hobbies. But for me .. no .. “

That is your personal choice, I assume it makes you “happy” but again, it is something which is not my ambit to comment upon.

but lets just say, I would take a pay cut if, in the business which I “carry the burden of the stress, the compliancy issues and all of the rest of it,” I aspired, ultimately, to only a 5:1 ratio.

If one is going to do something, think big, not bits.

As for “However, yr comments about lawyers”

I choose the lawyers I use. I spend what I need and go away. A lot of commercial / contract / licencing work, with the experience I have, I am confident to undertake myself.

As for the cost of a high court case… yes, I have withdrawn from several actions which I decided were not worth pursuing. It is part of the cost of doing business and there is no point in pursuing pyric victories.

The ppst you made following the one I have responded to is too jumbled a bunch of slang and meaningless drivel to warrant comment upon.

" ... The ppst you made following the one I have responded to is too jumbled a bunch of slang and meaningless drivel to warrant comment upon. ... "

This is of course why U have been accused of being little more than a fetid troll and propaganda parrot and of course trolls are not known for their high IQ. When U clearly can't compete, u resort to petty personal attacks. You and your lot are laughable. A number of my comments of your own admission U do not comment on because U do not wish for others to comment or be aware of your "grass root" values.

I assume U voted for the child abuser j.howard and his mates?

The mighty liberal party who incarcerate children until they suffer from mental health issues.
No doubt the Devil HimSelf would bow down and cower in fear.

What a laugh.

I'd post what I thought was the best solution for your likes but no doubt it would be removed by the censor.

Col Rouge.

Probably, you did not see my putting quotes within free-trade like this "free-trade", or have chosen to misrepresent what I have written.

The only advantage that you have given is cheap electrical goods made in China but have chosen to ignore the hundred of million people e.g. in Indonesia that are exploited. Millions of people in Indonesia are so disillusioned with "free-traders", globalisation that they are turning to radical Islam which they believe will bring them out of poverty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdgMlXoQMbY

The fact that the world is affected by the global meltdown, increase in food prices, global warming, unprecedented fraud cases shows the "free-trade, globalisation" experiment has failed miserably. That the libertarian capitalists agenda to cheat and commit fraud.

http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/12/fraud-legal-sec-biz-wall-cx_lm_1212scamsters.html

Part of the transcript by Lori Wallach on "free-trade" is produced for your benefit.

"First of all, today’s trade agreements like the World Trade Organization and the 17 agreements it enforces or the North American Free Trade Agreement, those agreements have only a small thing to do with trade, and the majority of their rules actually are about totally non trade issues, like who can own and how you can regulate services inside your own geographic territory, or how your country, your elected officials on the local, state and federal level are allowed to regulate investors if they happen to be foreign who want to buy land for farms or factories, who want to run service companies. They have rules about how you can even spend your tax dollars. Set one size fits all these agreements. Obviously it has nothing to do with trade between countries, but rather setting a system of rules and policy vis a vis what you can do within your country.

So I would suspect that on the basis of that alone, Adam Smith and David Ricardo, those theoreticians are slowly rolling in their graves thinking about the fact that you call it the North American Free Trade Agreement, yet on top of all this other trade, non trade stuff, it also has a bunch of corporate protectionism."