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Santa gets the heave-ho...

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I'm wary of bringing this up as it's likely to provoke a scriptural lecture from boaz, but hell, it's just too delicious to let slide.

You guys are all aware, that Jesus sure as hell wasn't born on the 25th of December, and Christmas Day has as many pagan roots as Christian, right?

http://www.writespirit.net/ad/greatest_historical_myths

"2. Jesus was born on December 25

Christmas is meant to celebrate the birth of Jesus, but there is no evidence whatsoever, biblical or otherwise, that He was actually born on that day. Nor is there anything to suggest that He was born in a manger, or that there were three wise men (although, as any nativity play will remind you, three gifts were mentioned). There are differing views as to why December 25 was chosen as Christmas day, but one of the most interesting is that the day was already celebrated by followers of Mithras, the central god of a Hellenistic cult that developed in the Eastern Mediterranean around 100 BC. The followers of this faith believed that Mithras was born of a virgin on 25 December, and that his birth was attended by shepherds..."

Mmm. I know when I'm slicing into that Christian ham, I'll enjoy the taste of that delightfully rich pagan history.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Thursday, 4 December 2008 10:43:05 AM
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TRTL,
I think it was Constantine when he made christianity the state religion he simple renamed the festival days from Pagan to ChristianEverybody loves their feast days... Who said roman emperors weren't cynical politicians.

Fellow Scroogians
20 days to go to mount my WW2 ackack gun on the roof in anticipation of getting the trouble maker this year. I say that each year. Perhaps its my lights that say "Christmas Bah Humbug" that tips him off. >:-/
At 7 he gave me Y fronts instead of a bike! and our native houseboi starched them too(mumble grumble)!
Posted by examinator, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:27:22 AM
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Dear Gibo,

Before I leave this thread I've got something
that I wrote for my children a few years ago.
I don't know the ages of your kids, but anyway,
I want to share this with you...

The Brightest Star.

"Little Astra was a star,
That could be seen from near and far.
She was a star that shone so bright,
Way up in the sky at night.

She sparkled brighter then the others,
All her sister stars and brothers.
They were jealous of her light,
Teasing her mercilessly each night.

'You may illustriously gleam,
But you're just a speck,
And can't be seen.'

'That's just not true, as you well know,
My radiance gives the sky its glow.'

'A ball of gas, that's all you are,
No one can see you from afar.'

'Why do you tease me,
Oh can't you see,
The beautiful light shining out of me?'

They laughed and jeered and were unfair,
Pretending not to give a care.

Then one night, their Lord, The Father,
Selected Astra, from all the others.

'Little Astra, I need your light,
To guide three kings for Me tonight.
To show the way for three wise men,
To a stable in Bethlehem.'

The three wise men knew straight away,
To follow Astra without delay.
In the clear and dark night sky,
They saw her twinkling up on high.

They followed her starlight beaming bright,
As she guided them that night.

They followed her, because they knew,
That before the night was through,
An infant Saviour, would be born,
Bringing with Him A New Dawn.
Of Joy and Peace, Goodwill on Earth,
The world would celebrate His Birth.

Little Astra shining bright,
Became famous on that night.
Because of her guidance to those wise men,
She was given the name, 'Star-of-Bethlehem!'"
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 1:13:18 PM
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cont'd ...

"Little Astra, you now can see,
On top of any Christmas tree.
She is a symbol of that night,
When her starlight shone so very bright.
To show the way for three wise men,
To that stable in Bethlehem,
Where the Christ child, with His Birth,
Brought everlasting joy to earth.

So when you decorate your tree,
It's Astra's image you will see.
A special image burning bright,
Reminding us of that special night.

Here is something to remember,
When it's Christmas in December.
The stars in the sky that radiate light,
Are ours to enjoy each moonlit night.

The sun is a star, I bet you didn't know,
That sunlight reflected, gives the moon its glow.
Our home, this earth is a magical place,
Whirling 'round the sun, in outer space.
We are important, you and I,
Even though we don't twinkle in the sky.
We are important, as long as we know,
It's the goodness within us, that makes us glow!"

Grace and Peace Gibo to you and yours...
All The Best,
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 4 December 2008 1:22:09 PM
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TRTL,
December 25th is the time of the Solstice and has been celebrated in some way by many cultures for millenia, just as the Spring Solstice falls at Easter time and was/is a fertility festival.
Yule is another pagan festival that overlaps Christmas and it's customs.

If Australia was to become a Republic, there would be some who would resist on the basis that we would lose the Queen's Birthday Holiday.
Keep the holiday and just call it something else and the problem goes away.
Posted by wobbles, Friday, 5 December 2008 8:31:15 AM
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Satan clause and the easter[estor?]bunny
quite comfortably hide the spiriually higher call of the christ to love god and love neighbour.

clearly jesus died at or near the correct celibration?[its timing should however be syncronised with the timming of his tribe,we KNOW he died the day before passover,and celibrating the day he died to the flesh and was reborn into spirit on any other day is an absurdity

easter clearly reflects the rebirth[but its time is not based on spiritual time,and the commercial symbology neatly obscures the proof he delivered[ie not a judgment day at times end]a total absurdity,but a life revieuw at physical death

but the date of his birth is in this dispute[i favour the timming to be the jewish new year[a logical time to have a census]but instead we have this faulse god replacement figure[satan clause],

that adults realise is a fiction[but all the more dangerouse because satan claws in the supermarkets wear faulse beards,thus is easilly disproven

naturally children will assimulate the fake santa[into a fake saviour],reasoning as the 2 de link pointed out if santa[satan]isnt real then jesus musnt be either[lol]

,but christs own dont even seem to be bothered correcting the clear error[oh ye loyal servants[not];

so much was given you yet you have not even gotten your lords birthday correct[thus satan who's realm this truelly is , puts on his fake beard[fake honour]for a full beard is honerable ammoung jesus tribe.

then the fat slob[=oh ye serphant of folly ,and gluttony] reserects his [dead]tree whoreship ,coated with baubles in the depth of winter and brings the clear lie to the inocent ,

that they too in time lie to their own children and recieve from them a material'wish list'of toys made in privatised prisons[and lead paint][and inform their own grandfathers that santsa is real but jesus isnt]

ho ho ho ho ho ho ho

who ho ho
do you chose to honour?
ho hum

here hear he doth come

you shall hear the cloven hoof on the roof
how you know its not the hoof of his enslaved rein deer
Posted by one under god, Friday, 5 December 2008 9:37:44 AM
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