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Posted by Usual Suspect, Friday, 26 September 2008 11:21:28 AM
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Ahh. Again, runner, with the "honest doctor" bit. I like the way that, when every available piece of evidence proves you wrong, you simply state that the people who provide and rely on that evidence for a living are dishonest.
Maybe an honest theologian would tell you that Christ himself didn't mind a bit of sodomy after all that booze he liked to hand out. Posted by Sancho, Friday, 26 September 2008 11:28:54 AM
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I always find it amusing to see someone disparage a practice as "not natural" while using a computer and the Internet to do so.
Posted by Sams, Friday, 26 September 2008 11:32:51 AM
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Sancho
'Maybe an honest theologian would tell you that Christ himself didn't mind a bit of sodomy after all that booze he liked to hand out.' Simply shows just how sick your heart and mind is. Posted by runner, Friday, 26 September 2008 11:37:01 AM
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Oh, don't be so upset. You said yourself that an honest doctor would contradict every bit of health data available, so why aren't theologians just as likely to be telling porkies about JC? After all, he was a tall white guy in a society of small brown people (if the Christian decorations are accurate). I'm sure he was quite a hit with the boys.
Posted by Sancho, Friday, 26 September 2008 11:42:46 AM
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GW
VERY interesting question. If you will permit I'd like to break the question in two: QUESTION 1: --How can we know whether there exists a being who created the universe through a conscious act of will? QUESTION 2: (For believers only) --How can you know that your brand of religion is the correct one? If you're a Christian how can you be sure the koran is not the true uncorrupted word of God? If you're how Muslim how can you be certain it isn't the Hindus who have it right? Question 1 is the really hard one. My own position is this: I don’t know whether a creator of the universe exists. What's more I suspect we'll NEVER know for certain. There may be no way of deciding this question. So I guess you could mark me down as a sceptical agnostic. Question 2 is much easier. I have some familiarity with three religious traditions – Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Judging by their holy books ALL are DEMONSTRABLY FALSE. I am at a loss to know how any truly sane person can believe that the bible or the koran are communications from the creator of the universe. Not unless you suppose the creator has a wicked sense of humour. I am not so much an A-THEIST as an A-BIBLE-IST and an A-KORAN-IST. Another question for the believers. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HUMANITY IS THE MAIN ACT? Maybe humanity is, at most, an off-Broadway production. If a creator exists he / she / it / they may be like "GOD THE UTTERLY INDIFFERENT" depicted in the sci fi novel "The Sirens of Titan." The tenets of the CHURCH OF GOD THE UTTERLY INDIFFERENT include giving thanks to God for his utter lack of interest in humanity, and the freedom that he gives his creation. See: http://www.ualberta.ca/~atheists/indifferent.html Posted by stevenlmeyer, Friday, 26 September 2008 12:20:54 PM
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7. I'd really rather you didn't go around telling people I talk to you. You're not that interesting. Get over yourself. And I told you to love your fellow man, can't you take a hint?
8. I'd really rather you didn't do unto others as you would have them do unto you if you are into, um, stuff that uses a lot of leather/lubricant/Las Vegas. If the other person is into it, however (pursuant to #4), then have at it, take pictures, and for the love of Mike, wear a CONDOM! Honestly, it's a piece of rubber. If I didn't want it to feel good when you did it I would have added spikes, or something.