ASymeonakis,

I dislike hate speech as much as anyone, and I apologise for this infraction.
I enjoyed reading your summary on Palin, it too was a little rough on the woman, but from what I read no exaggeration.
I wanted female representation in govt most of my life, until thatcher anyway, why are the only ones who standup, such poor representatives of the speces?
fluff4

Fluff4 so you come to a thread and you want to post something

You could start by making your own contributing to its content,

You did not

You might have agreed or disagreed with what someone else said, addressing the ideas and values they espoused

You did not

Instead you decided to open your first post on this thread with your worthless and irrelevant attack to my character.

If that is all you have to say, I sincerely suggest you simply keep your pig ignorance to yourself, rather than evidence it here with your feeble comment

As to your subsequent post “I dislike hate speech as much as anyone,”

But you seem to find nothing ‘hateful’ in introducing yourself deploying a character attack on me…

IT would sem your hypocrisy has no limits

As for disliking Palin and Thatcher… I guess here is never pleasing some people,
some are just born to whine.

ASymeonakis thankyou for your interjection.

You are right, no one here has the right to suggest I depart these shores, despite their small minded and contemptible, self-righteous attitude but there are plenty of folk who value me and my views, I do not rely on anyones approval of me, at OLO, to bolster my self esteem :-)

Btw I long ago realized all that fractelle has to say is a fractured opinion sourced from a fractured character.


Regarding your post on Palin..
She is a sitting US State Governor who is tested and eligible to stand for the role of Vice President.

She has the support of her political party behind her, a political party which has brought forth more presidents, sitting for more presidential terms since WWII than the US Democrats.

To characterise her as someone "to please religious people, especial the white evangelical base,"

Is no different to declaring "the Democrats are using Obama to leverage the US black vote"

So its as simple as this

Who the next US president will be a matter for the US electorate to decide

And for the rest of the world to accept, regardless of our individual opinions.

Antonius

Until now I have never told any migrant if they didn't like it leave. I allowed myself to be goaded by one of the resident trolls on OLO.

You are also correct in your intimation that Col has an idealised picture of the USA. I used to live there and am fully aware of the issues of health-care for low income people. That this is not a concern for Col speaks volumes about his insensitivities to others.

Col

I apologise for suggesting you leave Australia. That this is a wonderful country, is, at least something we may agree on.

However, I find you completely abhorrent in your comments to both myself and others on OLO, there is no, and never will be any, excuse for the level of vitriol you deliver to people for merely having the temerity to disagree with you.

I rarely make personal comments, however I will do so now; you are an arrogant and very self-centred man and I will continue to point out your failings whenever I choose.

Back on topic:

Socialism-Saves-Wall-Street. George W can find $700 Billion for corporations but not for an adequate health system for public. Only in America...

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081006/greider

"...If Wall Street gets away with this, it will represent an historic swindle of the American public--all sugar for the villains, lasting pain and damage for the victims. My advice to Washington politicians: Stop, take a deep breath and examine what you are being told to do by so-called "responsible opinion." If this deal succeeds, I predict it will become a transforming event in American politics--exposing the deep deformities in our democracy and launching a tidal wave of righteous anger and popular rebellion. As I have been saying for several months, this crisis has the potential to bring down one or both political parties, take your choice.

Christopher Whalen of Institutional Risk Analytics, a brave conservative critic, put it plainly: "The joyous reception from Congressional Democrats to Paulson's latest massive bailout proposal smells an awful lot like yet another corporatist lovefest between Washington's one-party government and the Sell Side investment banks."

My personal view on the financial problems is I would let the market sort itself out.

The problem with government money, it rightly, comes with strings attached...

Doubtless, a few "poor performers" will find their careers out the window and rightly so.

'Corporate Performance' is not a once off event, it is a continuous process, in which the immediate profit is subordinate to the companies medium term viability and long term commercial worth.

fractelle "I will continue to point out your failings whenever I choose. "

I suppose it will bring some purpose to an existence, filled with dubious other merit.

I find it strange (not sure whether complimented or otherwise), that you feel so entitled and disposed to point out my supposed failings, when you lack the where with all to challenge most of my views and when I cannot be bothered to reciprocate to your own failings, particularly this "judgement entitlement" issue, which you clearly struggle with.

fluff4 and Fractelle

Interesting to observe your prompt and gracious apologies, completely undeserved in my view, when you consider the arrogant and wounding abuse the recipient himself constantly directs towards others, and the fact that he never modifies or retracts any of it. I wonder if he will learn something from your fine example!

Col Rouge

”Actually, I earn a good part of my income from companies and corporations (in the past, in USA too) who contract for me to show them how it is done -Budgeting and particularly planning, that is. Including how they can implement processes to turn their businesses style from ‘reactive’ into ‘proactive’ interpreters of their business data…"

The fact that accountants can routinely charge exorbitant amounts to act as ‘proactive interpreters of business data’, which in reality means little more than advising on tax avoidance, shows how sick and unbalanced capitalism as practiced currently in countries like Australia and the US has really become. Enjoy it while you can, Col, because hopefully the days of operators like you are well and truly numbered.

One lesson that should be learned from the current financial crisis is that we need a return to a strong regulatory and compliance-based system. People the world over can now look at the Wall Street debacle and see for themselves the need for a correction. The cowboy capitalism we’ve unleashed in the last few decades has run its course and needs to be reigned in and civilised once more. It has to be made to work for the people who produce the wealth, not the elite few who manipulate it to amass their own fortunes.

If I were you, Col, I’d save my breath on lauding the free market right now and its grand old champion, Maggie Thatcher. No one’s listening at the moment.

Bronwyn “The fact that accountants can routinely charge exorbitant amounts to act as ‘proactive interpreters of business data’, which in reality means little more than advising on tax avoidance, shows how sick and unbalanced capitalism as practiced currently in countries like Australia and the US has really become.”

The amounts I am paid is a matter between me and my clients.

They have a choice, use me, gaining access to my specialty skills, take the huge risk of using someone cheaper (and inferior) or watch their business suffer a loss in competitive advantage.

They do find, however, the “exorbitant amounts” I charge are paid back to them in improved business performance very quickly, so they end up well ahead.

Nothing wrong with tax avoidance.
According to Chief Justice Lord Denning.

And I never give tax advise these days.

Nowadays I use a specialist tax accountant to handle my personal and business tax affairs, safer that way.

“Sick and unbalanced capitalism“

I fail to see how a process can be sick or well.

It is only the intentions of the people who operate it which drive the morality and in every instance of comparison, the actions of the business owner / operator / director produce superior overall outcomes than when the same resource is left in the hands of some here-today-gone-tomorrow politicians and their bureaucratic lackies.

“Enjoy it while you can, Col, because hopefully the days of operators like you are well and truly numbered.”

And due, sometime after the meek inherit the earth.

The green monster has definitely got to you, Bronwyn.

“It has to be made to work for the people who produce the wealth,”
It does,

As for cowboy capitalism, no one is forced to deposit funds in any bank. No one is forced to buy any particular shares
Every business transaction carries a degree of risk.

The subprime problem is because alot of people forgot all about the “risk”.

The capitalist system rewards success and punishes failure,

The socialist system sees no difference between success and failure and consequently, produces only mediocrity