Dear Polycarp,

What do you mean you're not a salesman?
You solicit, you promote, you peddle
your product.

And you're under the delusion that
you're giving it freely?

You don't seem to take into account
the personal cost to the groups of
people that you target.

Dear Steven,

I'm not confusing a personal code of
conduct with what should be legal or
illegal at all.

I've never been more certain of anything
more in my life.

We have values and mores in our society to
prevent "anarchy" as Samsung tried to point out to
you. And as examinator said, you can't yell
"fire" in a crowded theatre, simply because you
may feel like it, or want to exercise your
"freedom of speech."

Personal code of conduct? We have to decide
what is to be acceptable in our society. And the
kind of society we want to live in.
We also have to take resposibility for our
actions. Feral behaviour shouldn't be
acceptable.

Foxy wrote:

"…We have to decide
what is to be acceptable in our society. And the
kind of society we want to live in.
We also have to take resposibility for our
actions. Feral behaviour shouldn't be
acceptable."

Foxy, Samsung:

PIOUS GENERALITIES are all very well.

But now I am asking you to be SPECIFIC.

Which of these should be ILLEGAL?

1)Denying the Holocaust

(2) “Piss Torah?” Torah scrolls are expensive but with photoshop all things are possible.

(3) How about burning a Torah scroll?

(4)A statue of Jesus with an impressive erection.

And I'll two more.

(5)Should the Muslim Students Association be allowed to display the following ahadith on their website?

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight will the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

(Bukhari 4.52.176)

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

(Bukhari 4.52.177)

Note that these ahadith are from Bukhari. Muslims believe all the Bukhari ahadith are authentic. So these statements are part of their "scripture."

(6)How about this one? Should Christians be allowed to display 1 Corinthians 6:9

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

Let's get specific answers.

Which of these should be illegal?

What would be appropriate sentences?

STEVEN...

DIFFERENCE IS IMPORTANT......

One the one hand.. the hadith is connecting the "here and now" with the 'there and then' (the last hour) and the condition of reaching the 'there and then' is.. KILLING JEWS....

Now- one set of human beings (Muslims) KILLING another (Jews) because of their race.... so that the last hour is brought in...

It stands to reason then..that the obvious consequence is..

"The quicker we (muslims) KILL the Jews.. the faster we all get to paradise and start playing with our houris"

CONTRAST.. Your selection of 1 Cor 6:9 is quite ok.. but let's look closely at the difference between that and the hadith..

1/ THE KINGDOM OF GOD.. Whenever Jesus was asked

Acts 1:6

"Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?"

He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

See it? we Christians are called to CALL... not to KILL... we call mankind to discipleship.. to follow Christ.. to open their hearts to Him...

Any observer can see that whenever the 'Kingdom' was proclaimed in Acts..it was a CALL and INVITATION to come by free will and choice..

TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.. about whether the verse you cited can be displayed? I don't see any reason for it to be displayed publicly, it will always exist in Scripture (just like the Hadith) and people are free to read it anytime they like.

It might be offensive.. annoying.. hurtful to some... but it does not call in the slightest for any physical HARM to be done by Christians to non Christians.

"For God so LOVED the world that he gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him, will not perish but have everlasting life" John 3:16

"belief" cannot be enforced from outside...

THAT.... is the important difference.

"Which should be illegal and what punishments"

The whole Quran and hadith should be banned and made illegal. Selecting verses here and there doesn't change it's presense.

-It is seditious "Fight those who do not believe in Allah"
-It promotes sexual abuse "those your right hands posseses" (numerous references.
-It permits sexual abuse of pre-pubescent children under the guise of marriage (65:4 as interpreted by Tafheem Al Quran/Maududi)
-It destroys the dignity of women making them a commodity and something to marry for political reasons. (Mohammads example)
-It destroys the idea of true love between one man and one woman.
-It glorifies violence.
-It demands it's followers not to be friends with Christians and Jews.
-It specifically CURSES Christians and Jews calling for their destruction. (9:30)

rather says it all.

PUNISHMENT? there is only one appropriate "exile" for life.

Foxy, Samsung

My questions were not directed at Polycarp.

I hope Foxy and Samsung will take the trouble to answer my questions and ignore Polycarp's usual diatribe.