PALE, are you suggesting that we should "hang live exporters by the neck until they are dead"?

Nicky
Posted by Nicky,
Nicky

No Of course I am not. I think there should only be one punishment for them.
To put them on a ship along with the Government leaders who supported it and make them go through what the animals do.

However I suppose we must be reasonsible and think of the costs.
So i suppose a quick bullet through the head would have to do.
Pity about that.

I think that they should should accompany Yabby on the bottom decks of the "Al Kuwait or the "Maysora" or the "Torrens" (aka "Farid F") for a 26+ day, multi-port destination journey. Then upon arrival those still standing should be unloaded as the animals are, transported and handled like the animals are ... and you know the rest.

Maybe it IS all about making the punishment fit the crime.

Cheers
Nicky

Nicky

Fantastic! idea.

May I ask you a question - Do you feel there is a connection between drug trafficking crime bosses live exports ships and trucks companies etc.?

Fester “It raises the possibility of genetic testing to determine susceptibility.”

Maybe government could use it as a qualifier to exclude some from selective breeding (btw I am joking).

You are attempting to parallel the accepted tolerance of other substances to justify your stupid pretense to the supposed harmlessness of drugs of addiction.

Your argument is fatuous.

Maybe next you will suggest we are all addicted to oxygen. I know every mammal has a high dependency upon it.

You also need to consider the difference between a psychological addiction versus a physical addiction and the real implications of withdraw.

We are ultimately individually responsible for the stupid things we do. Those aware, often through observation of their parents, that they have are genetically disposed to a susceptibility to addiction, need to heed the warnings.

If they do ignore the warnings, it is no different to driving a car and ignoring the warning signs to the end of the road at the top of a cliff…..

You are busy fabricating excuses. I have better things to do.
I prefer to live my life in peace and free of scumbag junkies who burgle and rob to support their habits and out-of-control psychotics who cause destruction in their high moments and useless cannabis smokers, filling up the dole queues because they cannot get it together enough to hold down a job, regardless of their genetic disposition.

I have a condition which can be related to a genetic predisposition (as in my brother and father lived with the same thing) and pay for medication to regulate it.

I do not make it an excuse to sign on for the dole or rob people or going crazy and attack others. I earn and pay my own way. Regardless of my medical circumstances, it is “business as usual”.

Everyone else is free to make their own choices but the bottom line is I expect them to manage their own lives accordingly, without excuses and without asking me to subsidize their stupidity.

Hi all

PALE, I have absolutely no idea. It seems like rather a long bow to draw, however.

Col Rouge, I take your comments on board, but as I asked before, where do we draw the "line in the sand"? Alcohol and nicotine are legal drugs and both are powerfully addictive. The former causes massive social dislocation, often manifested in serious violence.

Some people do not use alcohol because of deleterious effects, but use cannabis because it (mostly) does not cause violence. Alcohol can kill too, and death from it is not pretty (cirrhosis).

Not everyone who uses cannabis is on the dole queue, just as not everyone who drinks alcohol is. Some people function quite normally in society and have responsible jobs (although drug testing in employment is growing in popularity).

Just a few observations.

Cheers
Nick

Col,
I think that you’re stereotyping drug users and I agree with Nicky that many have responsible jobs (and are able to function well in their jobs).
I have known both functional and disfunctional drug users/abusers.
I've known people who regularly snorted cocaine off their executive desks and other professionals who use illicit drugs and hold responsible jobs as well as some stereotype addicts.
However, it is usually only the stereotypes that people recognise, the other group is not obvious at all.
In the beginning I made the distinction between users and abusers.
Addiction is a very complicated issue and involves many aspects.

There’s also the question of the chicken or the egg- did drug users on the dole become unemployed because they use drugs or did they use drugs because they are unemployed and live among others who are drug users? I’m sure both situations are true.

Anyway, I think for me it’s time to stop the lengthy and repetitive arguments that we’ll never agree on anyway.

I second what Fester said, “…availability under strict regulation…”
However, I realise that many people wouldn’t be ready to take this big step. I suppose I want to do something new and negotiate for the fun/sake of it, rather than stretch out the arguments that support legalisation.
Like legalisation, capital punishment (CP) for drug dealers is not likely to happen either. I’ve already pointed out why.

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