Such grace and wit, Col. Sticking with your strong points, I guess.

"I have not “twisted” anything but a moron like you finds ‘twists’ in everything, "

Not only twisted Col; heavily edited truth also. The opium problem in China has more parallels with the high fat/sugar fast food and caffeinated drink industries than anything the experts are proposing for managing drug addicts. Supply of drugs to addicts is only a small part of the picture.

I would also ask you to think about what "a one in four addiction rate" means. If it means that 25% of Chinese men used opium, then under a government operated drug peddling scheme, 75% of Chinese men did not take opium. This would make opium far less addictive than tobacco. And dont forget than opium and its derivatives was one of the few effective analgesics for those times.

I'm more interested in what the experts are finding. The information is much clearer, and does suggest that there are far better systems of management than that used currently.

Col Rouge
That’s nothing new to me.
I am pretty sure we would not have commented in the past too much on this topic.

TBO I am not really too interested. I have always found your posts to be unnecessarily rude and at times crude. I don’t know why you feel the need to do that but I don’t talk to anything less than gentleman in my real life so prefer not on the net.

Some of your comments on the forum caught my interest and I thought it was good somebody far more experienced in IT work had picked up on things.
Good on you for that.
We are from different paddocks-

Steel
Why so? Many people support the death penalty for drug dealers.

There is however a HUGE problem with the system we operate under.

So I guess I should have said providing they are’ really guilty’ of the crime and not used as patties.

Before you start yes! That includes the poor little darlings who knowingly traveled overseas to import drugs to kill other people’s sons and daughters.
I have zero tolerance for junkies dealers and the corrupt leaders who knowing turn a blind eye.
That is ‘another reason’ but not the first I hate live exports.
Ever wondered what else goes back and forth on the self operated ships?
How often have you heard on a NCA or Federal copper with his hand up the rear of a cow.
Yup these live exports ships are VERY a lucrative.

As you were guys have fun and I will cast off to more interesting topics.
Ships ahoy.

Fester, unable to challenge the reasoning and references in my posts, descends to whining and micro dissection of ever diminishing points of irrelevance.

What fallacious drivel you have spewed forth in your latest post

“The opium problem in China has more parallels with the high fat/sugar fast food and caffeinated drink industries”

Except

Fat, Sugar, Caffeine: do not induce a mind altering state and are not a “Physically Addictive”

Opium well, that does actually induce a main altering state and it also happens to be physically “Addictive”.

How about you elaborate more on these “parallels” Fester?

May be illuminate us with the “parallels” of chalk and cheese.
At least neither of them induces a mind altering state and neither is “physically addictive”.

“what "a one in four addiction rate" means. If it means that 25% of Chinese men used opium,”

No, it does not mean 25% used… 25% addicted, a rate of usage a lot higher than that when including non-addicts.

As for tobacco. Well tobacco tends to come up short in the “mind altering state” compared to opium.

“I'm more interested in what the experts are finding. The information is much clearer, and does suggest that there are far better systems of management than that used currently.”

Then why not google some of their research as a source for your posts instead of whining on and on and calling me names?

Or are their findings contrary to your delusions?

Why not suggest some of these supposed “far better systems”

No one is stopping you.

I am happy to challenge them or even support some, in the remote chance they have merit.

PALE thank you for you kindly condescension to answer me in the first place, I feel quite privileged you took time out of your important schedule to recognize my humble posting.

If I knew you spoke only with ‘gentlemen’ I would have stood up when typing my post (and maybe worn trousers).

I am a bit confused over the live export business though, strange the way your neural synapse misfire… now you just slander and run,

coward.

Col
Well at least you have a sense of humour and you know a gentleman should stand. I suppose in this day and age that something:)

look I am not trying to be rucde the topic does bore me TBO. Perhaps thats selfish who knows.

*I am a bit confused over the live export business though, strange the way your neural synapse misfire… now you just slander and run,*

Dont be confused Col its really quite simple. What else do you think goes back and on these ships?
Gun running drugs a who odd people in and out ....

Dont you worry however because we always have good old livecoupre looking after our sercuity.
Yup the old captain in ME sends a fax to these ( four people in the office last time I checked.)
Livecoupe is a shiping agents for animals .

It usually reads Captain Mohamed leaving... For Australia. Staff on board as follows mohamed mohamed Mohamed Mohamed.... about 40 times.

yeh sure we are real serious about stooping drugs getting into Australia.

I think not.

Like i said its another reason to stop these live animal export ships but not the number one reason in my book.

The fact is if people in this day and age are stupid enough to take drugs then its self inflicted.

On the other hand these animals are innocent itims of human greed and cruelty.

I hope that explains my feelings more clearly to you and explains reference to live animal export ships.

You can sit down now.

I see that Col's continuing to raise the intellectual level of the debate.

He's a legend in his own mind - who needs drugs?

You see, i found it amazing PALE, because as an advocate for the ethical treatment of animals...

When you express that you want the state to execute Australians, for the crime of supplying drugs in a voluntary exchange, you would think that there would be some kind of self-respect involved in such a position.

But yet as someone who believes animals should receive ethical treatment it's ...very awkward (putting it lightly) for you to casually disregard the lives of drug dealers. You know that is on the level of the Chinese i suppose.

So an animal-lover has no problem at all killing Australians who sell drugs...I can't remember PALE did you want drugs legalised? I suppose you would execute the government or company employees that supply drugs if they were legalised?

Your disclosure here is a remarkable sign of corruption. This to me, is a great example of people behind ngos and their schemes. NGOs are often very corrupt organisations.