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Why is DIESEL more expensive than Petrol?

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Part of the problem may lie with the refineries. There is currently an abundance of heavy crude on the market, but a lack of refineries able to process it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/7577722

For low sulphur diesel you could always make biodiesel from used chip fat. And if you have town gas you might also have the option of converting your vehicle to cng, with a fuel cost equivalent of about 27 cents per litre.
Posted by Fester, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 6:42:55 PM
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The price of fuel is driven by the hedge funds.Qantas for example bought todays fuel a few years ago at much lower prices.This buying of fuel based on futuristic prices inflates it's real value.Now what the various hedge funds must do is to predict future prices.If Qantas for eg buys at todays prices in the hope that they will rise,they could fall flat on their faces.

If Saudi Arabia and others produce more oil and the refinery capacity is there,the price could suddenly collapse.

There is plenty of energy on the planet,it is just the opportunists screwing us as they have done so in the past,only this time,under the subterfuge of peak oil and the green movements CO2 guilt trip,they are doing it with impunity.
Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 8:46:19 PM
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Fantastic!

I never realized we could come up with so much interesting and useful information about this.

Onya's Bugsy, Fester and Arjay :)

Lets hope it assists us in making decisions about what kind of vehicle we buy, and what hopes we have for it, and perhaps the political aspect can be kept in mind also.

- I am now much better equipped on this, as I'm sure we all are.

POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS.. why of course it all means we must now vote Family First..... (gotcha :)

Kidding... no, really, it may mean that we can expect our Government to perhaps do something along the lines of

-requiring petroleum companies to install certain technologies, and
-making critical catalyst material available at low cost...
-Prohibiting large economic entities and speculators from driving up prices by specific economic strategies.

SPECULATION.
Of high priority..it should be a crime for anyone to buy and then hold large quantities of oil, then release it when the price has skyrocketed. Sadly, the personal wealth of some high profile individuals is such that they can do this, along with hedge funds and other large entities.

Of course, such legislation should be limited to 'essential commodities of national importance' or no one would do anything.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 5:37:35 AM
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Most commercial users get $ .18 / litre rebate.

They can also now buy a system that injects natural gas into the fuel supply and achieve up to a 20% decrease in consumption.

Just returned from the diesel expert for the second time today. After spending $3,500 refurbishing injectors, diesel pump, etc eighteen months ago I then experienced a 20% increase in fuel consumption. Hopefully, I will be back to the normal 10.8 litres / hundred and have even on the rare occasion achieved 9.8 l / 100 in the past.

My recollection is that the Greens manoeuvred for a price increase on diesel back when GST negotiations occurred. Don't forget that the USA has not built a refinery for 35 years. What are the stats on Australia in this regard?

There may be more diesel used by volume but there certainly isn't more diesel users compared to petrol. Some petrol stations do not even have a diesel bowser.

There lies another reason why diesel is more expensive -- fewer voters are directly affected, even though the cost flows on to virtual all delivered goods.
Posted by Cowboy Joe, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 5:37:54 PM
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subterfuge of peak oil and the green movements CO2 guilt trip,they

Arjay is spot on.
Posted by Cowboy Joe, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 6:03:10 PM
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David

When a commodity market is suspected by the regulators to be manipulated, they have the power to alter the margin. This was used with effect when the Hunt brothers were heavily into silver futures.

Oil futures currently carry an 8% margin. There is no reason why the margin could not be raised to 100% or higher. Exemptions could also be granted so that legitimate users like airlines would not be unfairly penalised. At least this measure would indicate whether the high price was a result of manipulation or supply/demand factors.

But at least take small consolation in the development of renewables and alternatives that the high oil price will accelerate. Oil refineries may even play a pivotal role in the production of biofuels.

http://www.biomassmagazine.com/article.jsp?article_id=1731
Posted by Fester, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 6:20:21 PM
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