Steel,

Is verbal abuse "speech or argument"? My neighbour fears for her safety. Do you condone this? Take a stand, be a man.

Hi StG,

Payback sounds effective, but is it? I think it just leads to more violence. Lets lock em up for awhile so they can stew on it.

Yes I do condone it. You do not know what was said or by whom. It doesn't necessarily follow that the "female one who is crying" is the victim or not cause of the problem. Some people are simply more paranoid/fearful/emotionally fragile than others, or they are liars:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgxwPU0W-Wg

If shouting or verbal abuse or "aggressive behaviour" was criminal, you may as well live in 1984 where behaviour is socially engineered by people who can't even dream why someone might "need" to get angry. Lets criminalise anger! Do you know how depressing that sounds coming from someone in a supposed democracy? If I've misrepresented your position point out how or where, though in this case since you are calling for police to detain or arrest the 'evil' male then I don't think I am.

Steel, I understand what you are saying, but if the police can’t act on the “speech or argument” of a complainant’, then they would have to either witness an unacceptably threatening verbal tirade themselves or only act after they have physical evidence of abuse.

Do you think the police should act if they have hard evidence such as a recording of an abusive session?

What about if there was a witness willing to support a complaint?

I will maintain that they should act on any complaint regardless of evidence.

But of course, they need to carefully suss out the possibility of a complaint being spurious or exaggerated, which it easily could be in the tense arena of domestic violence.

They need to make it patently clear to the complainant that a false or misleading complaint is a serious offence.

At any rate, I think that they should NOT even have the option of doing nothing about a complaint.

Haralambos

“Furthermore, society should stop endorsing aggression as an acceptable masculine trait.”

Absolutely.

I haven’t had any experience with domestic violence (thank goodness), so I’ll relate it to my passionate concern about road safety….

Aggressive driving, almost entirely by young males, with a very noticeable increase on Friday and Saturday evenings, is one of my pet hates. I find it absolutely extraordinary that chronic tailgating, speeding, darting in and out of a line of traffic on duel carriageways, risky overtaking on single-lane roads, etc, etc, can just be accepted or at least tolerated as normal behaviour by the rest of the community! It should be absolutely clamped down on.

Similarly, aggression of the sort that you have witnessed needs to be dealt with head on. But with my example, there is no excuse for it whatsoever, it is just a pathetic testosterone-driven phenomenon of the subintelligent, whereas in your example, the causes need to be very carefully examined before the male is condemned for his aggressive behaviour. He may indeed have a totally legitimate cause to his frustration. But of course, rank aggression is not the right way to deal with it.

Aggression is a natural human trait of the male sex and part of their identity. Manipulating society is social engineering which is unacceptable.Ludwig you are trotting out some old and worn feminist attacks on masulinity about aggression. Think about your position a little and the subtle indoctrination you may have had over the years and what you are proposing. I doubt you would have posted had it been a man who "was verbally abused" by a female. You would have instead said suck it up or walk away. It's normal and healthy for young men to be aggressive and their various outlets are necessary for them to express themselves.

Haralambos is an extreme feminist of the destructive and influential kind that likes to utilise propaganda to influence the gullible. I only found this out after browsing the thread titles after making my first comment here. See this characterisation of normal biology here that s/he uses to make his/her thread: Women are "slaves and machines" because of "patriarchy and men" It's both disgusting and disgraceful http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1818