Stevenlmeyer: "Islam is no threat."

A "threat" is somewhat synonymous to a "force" in physics term.

In physics, an object tends to move in the direction of a force.

The successful force of Islam lies in its ability to quickly breeds believers, in a self-replicating manner.

Women of Islam are breeding machines of baby Muslims. Little Muslims grow up to breed more baby Muslims, and so forth....and the FORCE of Islam inceases with each breeding cycle.

The tiny pearl of Asia, the city-state Singapore is facing similar problem (that she would not talk about). But nonetheless Singapore is trying to boost her non-Muslim population, to counter-balance the force of Islam.

In a society found on Freedom and Democracy, perhaps there is only one way to neutralise such an inevitable powerful Islamic force :---

To Steadfastly, Actively, Bravely and Openly CHALLENGE the Islam religion in every way possible, even resort to humiliation if necessary, to the extent that as many Muslims leave the religion as baby Muslims are born.

Unless the force of Islam can be effectively counter-balanced with an opposing force, Islam will be a big THREAT to Freedom and Democracy.

I shall leave you with this important web-site:-

http://www.faithfreedom.org

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My work has caught up with me again big time... This is gonna be my shortest visit so far.
No time to study "The origin of modern crocodyliforms" either. (I am sure Bugsy will still be here next time)

So it's time to say GOODBYE - FAREWELL - ZAI JIAN - SO LONG...

Ginx, You may now hurl "abuses" at me, (without which something is just not complete). Don't leave that to CJ, will you ??

Ha.ha..ha... :D

I have no doubt that Islam is a threat to Singapore. It is a tiny secular state in a Muslim sea.

When I said Islam was no threat I meant in Australia.

Here is an interesting link about Singapore.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2008/02/18/singapores_mosaic/

I hope we never have to introduce the draconian measures that Singapore uses to ensure "harmony."

Steven has told us that he doesn't have any Muslim friends, and that he can't respect anybody who practises Islam, because their religion is crazy. I think that attitude fits within the meanings of both "prejudice" as he's defined it and "Islamophobia" as I have.

I think all religions are mass delusions, but that doesn't mean I can't respect people just because they believe in them. They only lose my respect in relation to their religion if they attempt to convert me to it.

stevenlmeyer: "Muslims use Islamophobia to mean disrespect for Islam"

Really - how do you know that? The few Muslims who participate in this forum don't. The article you directed us to doesn't.

Saying Islamophobia means disrespect for Islam is the equivalent of saying that anti-Semitism is simply disrespect for Judaism. Clearly, there is a bit more to it than that. Many people "disrespect" various religions without hating and fearing them - like in the case of the Danish cartoons, which weren't Islamophobic, despite the over-reaction of the fanatics.

Incidentally, I also oppose the Victorian Racial and Religious Tolerance Act, as I oppose laws that prohibit denial of the Holocaust in Europe. People should be able to express their ideas and beliefs (no matter how silly, hateful or obnoxious), and other people should be allowed to question, criticise, lampoon or otherwise comment upon them.

"I sense you understand you are losing this one CJ. You are, and I DO respect you for this, a vigorous champion of free speech. "

I don't think anyone wins or loses these kinds of debates, Steven. Yes, these topics tend to attract the bigots in numbers, but it's the content of comments that count, rather than quantity. I respect Steven too for raising these issues, although I suspect that his convoluted rationalisation might mask sentiments of his with which he is uncomfortable.

I see that gz's scuttled back under his rabidly Islamophobic rock. How fascinating that he could cite Singapore as a bastion of freedom and democracy!

"Ginx, You may now hurl "abuses" at me, (without which something is just not complete). Don't leave that to CJ, will you ??

Ha.ha..ha... :D"
Posted by gz, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 9:53:55 PM

How's this?

.........bye.

CJ,

Regarding the definition of "Islamophobia."

I have discussed this with numerous Imams and other Muslims. All seem to regard publishing something that "insults" Islam, Muhammad or the koran as being Islamophobic.

However, to settle the matter, I phoned the Islamic Council of Victoria (03 9328 2067) and asked to speak to someone who would give me a definition of Islamophobia. They said they would get back to me.

I've phoned them for information on three previous occasions. They got back to me twice. Thus if past statistics are anything to go by I have a 67% chance of hearing from them. Either way I shall report back.

I also phoned the Islamic Society of Victoria (03 9470 2424). They asked me to phone back. I shall do so.

However CJ, in the mean time, would you answer my question?

In your opinion was the publication of the Muhammad Cartoons Islamophobic?

I am not asking you to speculate on the motives of the publishers or cartoonists. Nor am I asking your opinion on whether the cartoons ought to have been published. For the record had I been the editor of Jyllands Posten I would not have published them.

My question is confined to the act of publication. Do you consider the act of publication Islamophobic?

In your view are the cartoonists who supplied the cartoons Islamophobes?

atevenlmeyer: "In your opinion was the publication of the Muhammad Cartoons Islamophobic?"

As I said quite clearly in my last post, I don't think so: "...like in the case of the Danish cartoons, which weren't Islamophobic, despite the over-reaction of the fanatics".

Interesting that you kind of admit that your claim about the way Muslims use the term 'Islamophobia' was based on mere supposition, given that you're now deploying a very dodgy methodology to confirm it - awaiting a return phone call indeed! I try to maintain my respect for you Steven, but when you claim to have personal knowledge of how Muslims think, based on purported converations with imams whom you acknowledge you don't respect... well I have to say I'm dubious about either your honesty or your sanity.

Frankly, I don't believe you, particularly in light of your admitted prejudice.