by ASymeonakis
Thank you for your following reply and supplying following _link

To pale>
litigated Concluding observations of the Committee on the
Elimination of Racial Discrimination
AUSTRALIA
and read the Concerns and recommendations about migrants
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide
Posted by ASymeonakis, Sunday, 17 February 2008 6:13:58 PM

http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/898586b1dc7b4043c1256a450044f331/fff3368f665eaf93c125701400444342/$FILE/G0541073.pdf

*11. The Committee is concerned about the abolition of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Commission (ATSIC), the main policy-making body in Aboriginal affairs consisting of elected indigenous representatives. It is concerned that the establishment of *a board of appointed experts to advise the Government on indigenous peoples’ issues, as well as the transfer of mostCERD/C/AUS/CO/14 page 3programmes previously provided by the ATSIC and the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander

Service to government departments, will reduce the participation of indigenous peoples in *decision-making and thus alter the State party’s capacity to address the full range of issues.

Pales asks ASymeonakis,
Thanks for posting that ASymeonakis regarding with aboriginal people
I have copied part of comments to us and was appreciate if you could please explain what you mean by your reply to Taryn that was for our people?

Considering you replied to pale the following we are a bit confused- I hope you understand our question a little clear this time ASymeonakis as this is the third time we have tried to seek a reply. We have a big interest to help aboriginal people. Today the new Ministers advisor invited the programe for closer inspection. Early days but hopeful with a new Government.
Thank you we look forward to you kind reply

Dear TarynW
I don not know many thinks about the ASTIC and I did not write anything about it. SURE I SUPPORT ABORIGINES AND I STAND BY THEM 100% but I did not write anything about ASTIC. --I heard you were concerned about the Government taking over the funding for ASTIC that was forour people--
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide
Posted by ASymeonakis, Saturday, 23 February 2008 5:19:13 PM

Nearly forgot the question= What did you mean by -

"the funding for ASTIC that was for our people"-=-? Who are Our people?

Dear People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming,
The report is not from me but from Human Rights Commission of UN, Now I understand what did you asked me before and I did not answered to you, I am sure your English are better than mine. Read it again, Thank you
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

ASymeonakis,

Yes I read it again. I am asking you again what did you mean when you said the funding was for 'our' people?

I was wondering if perhaps you only have one little part of the story. for example=

Are you familiar with the 'unpublished'; other reasons' for the government stopping the funds going through ATSIC?

Are you aware of the very large number of poor aboriginal who can not read join the Muslim Faith?

Why were you so outraged at he government stopping the payments to ASTIC given that its clear they squandered their own peoples lives future and betrayed them?

ASymeonakis,said

Do you know many who deported of cause their Union activities? do not speak to me about the Union and Union Movement when you do not know anything about me or the Union Movement. I wrote some simple things and you can not understand what I say or I mean. You do not know and you can not understand very basics about the Union Movement, Migrants , Muslims or Aborigines.

pale replies

No I dont know anybody who was deported because of their union activity ASymeonakis but as you said you worked there could you please explain that.
Who got deported - if not who.
What Activitys? If there is something unfair going on as you indicate then people should know about it.
However it is up to you to explain it. Leaving off names that would identify people could you please give us an example of what you are talking about.

Are you saying the the Howard Government misused the laws to keep unions at bay?

It wouldnt surprise me what any of them did as I am aware the Department of foreign affairs and trade promote co joint ventures in the ME with Australia.
The only problem with that is they promote it the wrong way around.

Instead of Austrade and our Australian Government promoting value adding in our own country to provide employment for regional and aboriginal people they promote sending our goods off in their most vaulable forom before value adding.

Ginx, when you wrote

'"Even when his accusation of Adelaide not having non-Anglo street names etc was shot down in flames,....."
Posted by Jack the Lad, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 6:00:29 PM

Really? It depends on whose view you accepted. Oh yes! It was Leigh!'

what in the name of the wee man were you getting at? Do you think that my post that Adelaide has many non-Anglo street names and suburbs is untrue? Why don't you buy a UBD before you post again?

You purported earlier to have lived in Adelaide for 30 years so you should know better.

Also, migrants are not citizens until officially accepted as such. Been there, done that, have the fancy certificate.

Dear People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming
You asked me if I am aware of the very large number of poor aboriginal who can not read join the Muslim Faith?
1. I am atheist and I do not care very much about religious.
2. I am democrat and I respect the right of any person to change his/her religious
3. WHAT DO YOU MEAN <<aboriginal who can not read join the Muslim Faith>> When they became Christians they did not read too.
4. People change religious when they are not happy with their current religious. Did you try to find why aborigines leave Christianity and become Muslims? If we do not change the conditions which make them to leave the Christianity then we can not do many things to stop them.
If Christians are unfair with aborigines, if we ignore and violate their rights, if we are TOP HYPOCRITES then it is very logic aborigines to become Muslims.
5. No I do not worry from the << poor aboriginal who can not read>> I worry from the big sharks who are ready to do everything, from wars to violation of any human right, from genocides to climate changes.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

"TurnRightThenLeft, I was surprsed by your 'encouragement' for Antonios.
Do you really think that it's OK for an immigrant to come here, take all that's going, then run down our country?"

... do you agree with all that he has written?"

I don't have to. For the record, I actually agree with boaz and pericles regarding the onus of proof.

As for "do I think it's okay for an immigrant to come here then run down our country".

Yep. I do. I don't see it as 'running down' our country, I see it as one person's constructive criticism. If Antonios had said "I hate Australia" then you might be on to something.

The alternative, Jack, is what? A gag on immigrants? Once you're a citizen, you're a citizen, you can say whatever the hell you like. I don't have to like it or agree, but I do agree with antonios in that there's a lot of racism.

There's also a superiority complex - I think some anglo Australians think they're 'better' than immigrants. When I see some beer fuelled yob with a flag on his head trying to tell a hardworking immigrant how to be Australian I hope to hell that immigrant ain't listening.

I reiterate - I've not seen him say he hates Australia. He's spoken out against racism.

As for the "you don't like it, then leave" argument, I've always thought that is utter crap, because then, if something ever goes wrong with our country, people won't stick around to fix it.

Imagine if everyone had that mindset? Just bugger off when you don't like something?

No! Speak out about an issue you feel is wrong. That's Australian. That's what he's doing, even if you don't agree. It's more constructive than that 'Un-Australian' crap.

The attitude that 'if you're a migrant shut up and don't criticise' sickens me.