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The Bali Prison Visit

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My first reaction is the same as most rage.
But we need to understand much is riding on our relation ship with Indonesia.
Yes my first reaction here is mainstream too %^&*( Indonesia!
But while ever a people educated to believe in a God that rewards murder exist we will have those thoughts.
I remember a school teacher telling us if those people jumped into the sea and swam to our country enough would survive to out number us ten to one?
Well hard to believe but if we think our action should be war we need to understand what happened in Vietnam.
Governments of both types in our recent history may well think not unlike us ,but know we must try every thing to change a changing country faster.
I am appalled by the visit the idiot radical who is free ,but I will watch closely to see how our two country's handle this.
Sadly while we wait for the fireing squad to finish these murderers,
We will see Australian drug running idiots die for far less so Indonesia can save face with its radicals.
We talk of high interest rates changed governments and climate change we however should look closely at this issue.
It beyond doubt will impact on the life of our children if not us much more.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 17 December 2007 4:51:11 AM
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I understand how it matters to some. The victims didn't get a last visit with their families. They will be dead soon but. This won't matter a scrap. Their deaths might encourage others to join. That is the problem for me.
Posted by StG, Monday, 17 December 2007 11:34:07 AM
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Dear Belly,

I really feel uneasy about Indonesia. And I don't think that the PM's request for 'leniency' for our young drug trafficers is going to get very far.

Under pressure from Canberra, the government of Sukarnoputri Megawatini has enacted so called anti-terror laws that threaten to return Indonesia to the Suharto era, when army-imposed 'security' was given priority over the desperate need for reform in many areas of public life, especially the judiciary.

The new laws have legitimised repression by the army of those Islamic groups it wishes to manipulate. In a mostly Islamic country, this has polarised communities and threatened the secular democracy in Jakarta.

I have faith in the Rudd Government - but I won't
hold my breath, expecting justice for the Bali bombings or leniency
for our young drug trafficers, from the government of Indonesia.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 17 December 2007 7:02:26 PM
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Foxy I share your fears I too have faith in Rudd's government true faith and hope.
The difference in culture and religious belief is very much our problem.
Remember those Australian Medea people murdered in cold blood during the invasion of East Timor.
I truly think we , yes my ALP government of that time tried to help cover it up.
The drug runners are everything I despise.
But in a civilized nation the death sentence is too harsh, and not one tenth as bad as the Bali murders yet I think they are doomed.
It comes down to this, can we wait and hope for a better Indonesia?
Or are we dealing with a tiger snake?
I think my unease is well founded with sections of the Muslim world.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 3:55:08 AM
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Belly

When travelling to another country we must respect their laws.
Thats a good start to working things out with our neighbours.
Drug runners kill people too= Many more.
No sorry I didnt want my PM to ask for favours.

If their familes are not allowed to see them its probably FAR better for them.

I DO want to bombers shot too.
Posted by TarynW, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 4:50:24 AM
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I find it hard to get an understanding of your post TarynW?
So what do you think of the murderers having a party?
Or the threats made to Australia?
Lets hear your views on the idiot who trained them grinning away in the film?
Are our drug idiots as guilty of as big a crime?
Do you think they could have such a party?
Is Indonesia a threat to us?or will diplomacy work for us?
Did it impress you to see the prison guards grinning away in the back ground?
On a one to ten scale how do you place the idiot drug runners crimes against Bali boomings?
Me? Bali ten
Drugs? 7 well past enough to serve life but never enough to murder them.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 6:45:32 PM
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