Dear Horus, normally I think I agree with you, but not this time about Ranier.
Having watched his posts and asked for so long for him to tell us 'what do you WANT'...finally an inkling emerged in the post above.

I have the impression that Ranier is caught in a very human construct about life. I don't know if its some kind of identify struggle due to a possibly mixed heritage, but I do understand that it is real for him.

He is cherished by God as much as u and me, and through Christ, Ranier could find liberation from all the things he mentions above.
He would not find a perfect Church, but he would find a perfect Saviour, and that would set him free from the things he cries out about above.

The same goes for Marilyn Shepherd.

On topic, I was chatting with an English bloke at gym yesterday. We discussed how easy it would be in the UK to stir up racial/ethnic strife between English and Welsh. When an English bloke walks into a pub in Wales, the Welsh who have been conversing in English up to that point, will revert to Welsh language when the Pom enters.

Emphasizing difference is never the pathway to social harmony, and Petro Georgio will have a lot to answer for based on his work under Fraser cobbling together the policy of "MultiCulturalism" which to me was like giving the Fox the task of designing the chicken pen.
You can be sure that fox would design into the pen adequate 'access' points so he can later come in and snatch the hapless chickens.

David,
You are right - I think Rainer is basically a good guy.
I was baiting him-but he never took it up( & points to him, for that)

Though I wont go are far as endorsing Marilyn
I need to give that one a bit more thought.

Horus... I'm gradually gaining an insight into Marilyn and others...

Ranier is not of their ilk fortunately.

Tony Kevin, Marilyn Shepherd, Bob Brown are increasingly looking (to me) like a seditious gang.

They are not choosing issues which are of great national importance in view of our history. They are focusing only on issues which they feel will reap for them the greatest damage to the government and our institutions, and raise the profile of their political agenda.

They have adopted a 'take no prisoners' attitude, and as time goes by I may increasingly respond accordingly.

Anyone can choose an issue which suits them, then claim all manner of 'compassion', but to do so on issues which are so low relatively speaking (Siev X thread) on the priority list, demonstrates the base and immoral political agenda they are persuing.

They have picked issues such as the Siev X rather than justice for Indigenous people in Melbourne or Queensland. Why ? I can only think that they see political advantage in it. Why would you see a list of historical issues, and choose just number 27 out of 30 with 30 being the lowest priority, rather than number ONE.

Again, it gets back to simple politics. The more you stick up for 'Arab/Muslim Assylum Seekers (granted, there are others among them) the more likely you are to pick up VOTES from the Arab/Muslim community.
Translate this into 'marginal seat outcomes' and you have the real agenda they are pushing.

The 350 asylum seekers who drowned are simply another 'weapon' in their arsenal. if they were not, they would be focusing their energies on much higher priorities.

The Georgio's of Australia epitomise all that is wrong, stupid and self-destructing about multuculturalism. Greeks are always Greeks, even if they have never been near the country of their ancestors. Howard's recent statement that other immigrants should take a leaf out of Greek immigrant's books when it comes to settling into to Australia was complete and utter nonsense.

After that court case that stopped the One Nation parliamentary member for taking her seat, I was very crooked on duel citizenship as the other MPs showed their hypocracy by not revealing they also had duel citizenship and a precedident had been set so they should step down.

Now I am not so sure as duel citizen could work to our advantage. Now a citizen cannot by deported for any crime committed, but if we legislate to be able to withdraw citizenship then those criminals with duel citizenship can be deported, if we so desire.

Having that capability may not be a bad thing