Australia and the West in general started to rot 30 years ago when their controllers became enamoured with global institutions. John Howard went for it, boots and all: particularly with climate rubbish.

Only the much sneered at Pauline Hanson got the message - apart from the sensible and patriotic Australians who were still in existence at the time. But, like PH, they didn't get a say.

Interference in our sovereignty was allowed by the politicians, mass movement of people was encouraged. We were handed over to global institutions and despots, many of whom weren't even remotely democratic.

The ‘nastiness’ of white people and the nobility of descendants of the Stone Age were bruited about.

Ever since, the people available to vote for have taken their orders from global gangsters, not their constituents. There are exceptions of course and voters might, just might, be looking to them to get us out of the mess.

Globalisation has deindustrialised Western countries like Australia, where there is a glut of university graduates without the practical skills needed to build the economy. And the graduates are looking down the barrel of AI anyway. What a mess.

It's a mess caused by the idea that you had to go to university to get a ‘decent’ job. Apprenticeships were sneered at as low class. So, off they went to “uni” (how dumb parents love to use that silly word clip to brag about their kids) only to see 25% of them drop out before graduation, and too many of those who made it now working in shops or cafes, where most of them can't even do a decent squiggle on the surface of a flat white.

To add insult to injury, and show how Albanese has ingratiated himself with his global mates, he has been named 'global citizen of the year'. He will receive the award in September at the UN.

Perhaps they could find a job for him, at their expense, and keep him circulating globally and away from us. He does like to travel, and it would be a relief for Australia to be rid of him.

An angry bitter old man fantasising that globalisation has created some kind of Western decline. Nothing could be future from the truth, globalisation has been a net positive for the world in general, including Australia. The integration of economies through international trade has seen living standards rise, not fall, as the naysayers would have us believe. Free trade agreements Australia has entered into has resulted in an overall national wealth increase, with lower import costs, giving consumers greater purchasing power, while delivering higher export income at the same time.

The Covid induced living standard reduction has been caused by two factors. One, the uneven distribution of the new wealth created, causing inequality with Australian society. Two, external factors such as Trump tariffs and wars, literally "fuelling" inflation, and higher interest rates domestically.

The anti-education diatribe is typical of the hard right uneducated spruiker, nothing new in that. As Hanson will admit; "I'm not the most educated politician on the planet." How true is that!

just wait to see what these total globalist grubs will do with a cbdc and digital id. China's pretty boy and his dei incompetents will make that tyrant Andrews look like a saint.

More misleading guff from the Usual Suspect;

The awarding by the Atlantic Council of the prestigious 'global citizen of the year' to Anthony Albanese is terrific news for Australia. The Atlantic Council is a prominent, nonpartisan American think tank headquartered in Washington, DC. Founded in 1961, It brings together political, business, and intellectual leaders to navigate global economic and political changes. Previous awardee's have included several US Presidents, both Republican and Democrat, along with many other world leaders. Australians should be proud that our PM and Australia is being honoured in this way. WELL DONE ALBO.

If globalisation is so good, the Albanese government wouldn't be up to its ears in debt, facing 5% inflation before the end of the year, with a couple of interest rate rises in the wind, sky rocketing house prices and rents, and the importation of unskilled migrants in a desperate piece of stupidity to avoid a recession - that's a fair dinkum recession on top of the individual one already suffered by ordinary Australians thanks to the rising cost of government, food, and just about everything they need to survive. And, a drop of 35,000 fewer houses built over the next 10 years.

Investment? Business gurus are advising young people to forget startups, and all investors should think about moving to Singapore or America, where red tape is much lower or non-existent - not just because of 4 years of the appallingly incompetent Albanese government over that time, but even more so because of the terrible budget just dropped on us.

And on mass immigration, far from helping us, immigrants are actually making us poorer because they are mainly unskilled and in jobs not contributing to growth.

The Atlantic Council, founded in 1961, explicitly states that its mission is built on the principle that the world is better when a strong and prosperous United States acts as a leader alongside allies. The organization produces extensive research, including on the dollar's role in the fight for US primacy.

This is why they love democracy.
Albo will be working for some POS think tank before long, continuing to sell someone out.
Sometimes I wonder if a leaders career ends with becoming the nations leader or whether it only just begins.

Anyone that goes and supports the interests of a foreign nation after being the leader of another is a traitor.

Hi AC,

"Anyone that goes and supports the interests of a foreign nation after being the leader of another is a traitor." I'll agree with that. No bickies for Albo.

The U.S. Department of State has accused the United Nations of facilitating “replacement immigration” aimed at replacing the local population of the U.S. and its Western allies, and undermining the sovereignty of those countries.

The department has officially stated that the U.S. “Objects to the GLOBAL Compact on Immigration”, and the UN's efforts to facilitate it.

In Australia however, one of America's allies, the government doesn't need the UN's help in replacing the population for a more malleable one: it is doing the job for itself. They certainly won't object as America does, and they have pretty much forfeited the right to be called an ally of the U.S.

Albanese's eagerness to hand over our sovereignty to the global ‘government’ of the UN is probably why he has been named global citizen of the year - something the only Western leader who seems to care about his country and the fate of the West would probably spit on. Donald Trump.

In the beginning, Australia prospered when the government was weak and limited. Governors said that settlers couldn't farm here or there, but they did, and they prospered as did the country.

Now, after all those years of prosperity, we are going downhill because of too much government; too much interference from absurd global organisations like the United Nations, who have ‘united’ only the weak and evil politicians who have turned their nations over to the obnoxious UN, and thus lessened their burdens, able to pass off their incompetence and corruption, gibbering about international law, and how the global puppeteers might see us. They are more interested in how the world sees Australia than they are in how Australians see their own country.

I think what I said the other day on another thread was correct.
Something changed with that Trump Xi meeting the other day.
Pretty much the first thing Xi told Trump was that the U.S. was a declining power when he mentioned Thucydides Trap.

The United States is no longer the leader of the world.
Some can live in delusion, but that won't change facts.

The U.S. has pissed on all the good it stood for at the end of WWII, and become a rogue nation.
It's China and Russia now that defend international law.

Putin Lands in Beijing: The 'Silent Message' Xi Never Told Trump
http://youtu.be/-EPdyFfaIn8

Check out this footage
Looks like the Iranians have laser air defense.
You don't see this air defense in Israel,
The west is so far behind, it's barely even in the game at all.
http://youtu.be/19v52NangUw

Hi AC,

How was the US able to capture Maduro and his missus in a two hour operation with one injury if their tech is so second rate?

One of the worst things about globalisation is the movement of people, too many of them moving from the Third World to the First World: Australia in particular.

Between 2015 to 2025 an extra 3.8 million people were lobbed on Australia by our crackpot political class. 32% of the population were born elsewhere; the largest block from Asia. “A bigger Australia is a more Asian Australia”.

It is predicted that by 2100 Asia's population will fall, but Australia's population will increase by 16%. The lunatics in Canberra are intent on a Big Australia.

We are looking at our population growing from its present 27 million to 43, 000 by 2100. Australia will cease to be a Western country. The loony left should be thrilled to bits - the few of them left who will be white and English-speaking.

A mathematical genius!

"It is predicted that by 2100 Asia's population will fall, but Australia's population will increase by 16%."

"We are looking at our population growing from its present 27 million to 43,000 by 2100."

27,000,000 x 1.16 = 43,000 WRONG!

Maybe ttbn thinks 26,957, 000 Australians are going to migrate to Asia! Sounds like the thoughts of the Lovely Pauline

Hi Fester,
Maybe 50% bought off / threatened the right people, and
50% luck that some Venezuelan didn't shoot U.S. helicopters down.

Hi Paul,
Yep someones maths is all messed up.
I remember is being 15 million when I was a kid.
The internet says 15 million in 1981 and 16 million by 1987.
So we've grown about 50% in 45 years.

In any case, I reckon ttbn's 43 million by 2100 estimate could be conservative, but who knows, it's 74 years away - anything could happen.

Hi ttbn
From your opening post.

"Globalisation has deindustrialised Western countries like Australia, where there is a glut of university graduates without the practical skills needed to build the economy. And the graduates are looking down the barrel of AI anyway. What a mess."

Well we did it to ourselves, capitalism did it.

Look at the retail stores selling everything we buy.
They're not privately owned companies acting in the countries best interests.
They're publicly traded companies and are accountable to shareholders.
And boards and shareholders don't care about the Aussie worker, they care about profits.
So these companies need to source the best value for money items to maximise profitability to shareholders, not retain Aussie jobs.

Other countries were cheaper for energy costs and wages.
Capitalism goes where the money is.

Things were all good when we were the cheapest and best and profitability was there to manufacture things at home, but times changed.

"...only to see 25% of them drop out before graduation, and too many of those who made it now working in shops or cafes, where most of them can't even do a decent squiggle on the surface of a flat white."
- For all their time at uni, they could've at least leaned how to start their own coffee shop.

Hi AC

I can 't agree with you. I think its going to be 2100 by the year 43,000,000, Sorry I got that wrong, its going to be 43,000,000 by I don't know when, or could it be eleventeen million by a quarter past two? My head hurts with all this ttbn dang-fangle arithmetic, In any case it only takes 45 minutes to bake a batch of chocolate brownies, as we know, and its been proven by the Lovely Pauline, that there are too many chocolate brownies in this country already,and send them all back to where they come from, down there in Moonee Ponds I think, along with all those cookie boys as well! Australia is being flooded with Chocolate Brownies and Cookie Boys!

I say BUY AUSTRALIAN! If you haven't got a TEMU account, then do the next best patriotic thing and shop at K-Mart !

"Maybe 50% bought off / threatened the right people, and
50% luck that some Venezuelan didn't shoot U.S. helicopters down."

AC just wants so badly to believe his BS about the US forces being inferior to their foes. So every time the facts demonstrate the utter drivel behind his hopes he'll make up any load of rubbish to try to square the circle.

Hi Trumpster,

Not often I agree with YOU, but on this occasion I do, the US military forces are defiantly superior to those of Venezuela, no doubt about that, the way GI Joe jumped in there and snatched El Presidenta in his night shirt was military genius, and to think they didn't have to use an atomic bomb to do it this time, great stuff, should award them the Purple Arse, or whatever they give their soldiers for such outstanding bravery. The US military is superior to at least three other countries armed forces, The Sovereign State of Bektashi, Vatican City and Tuvalu. Although you did say Tuvalu had a very large navy, larger than the US, lots of canoes you said. However, I'm not sure now about the Iranian military, I was inclined to believe you when you said Daffy Donald had said they would be a push over in 24 hours, or he'd sell all of his Venezuelan oil shares, that was 3 months ago, and they're still sinking US battleships in the Strait Of Homos, or some such nonsense. Do you agree with me?

Hi AC,

I think that US action in Venezuela and Cuba has more to do with the destruction of Russia's army in Ukraine. Russia is even finding Mali tough going. The Venezuelans appear supportive of Trump.

The UN climate change committee has "quietly” discarded the dire temperature rise predictions. They do think that ‘renewables’ are responsible for changing their former ridiculous predictions.

That's hard to swallow, seeing that in Australia 90% of our energy is still produced by fossil fuels, and Europe went off renewables, with idiotic Australia still hanging on to a “transition” that is not actually happening. The only transition has been from cheap electricity to expensive electricity.

It is clear that the “looming catastrophe” drummed up by the Left was nothing more than a politically useful fiction. Trillions of dollars have been wasted in the name of communistic ideology.

The UN nasties have kept their new beliefs quiet because they are embarrassed by the truth, or their own lack of truth that started the rubbish about carbon dioxide and cheap energy from wind and solar.

Will Bowen, with his new global job as President of Negotiations for the COP31 UN climate summit get the message?

Trump had over 90% support in Venezuela when he nabbed Maduro and his missus, but that has since halved because of the view that he is taking too long to arrange democratic elections.

How popular is Putin in Ukraine? How popular is the government in Cuba? Even less popular than Magoo I'd guess.

Kudos Ttbn.

This may be the article (below) that ttbn is referring to from a quick search... I guess Paul1405 doesn't have a search engine in his house ... If hypothetically Paul1405 and his mates spent less time and dedication sharing around the metho in the park and more time learning how to use a search engine researching/ developing a real community then they mightn't need to go after other cultures stuff, and have a future. Then they could also stop 'their guys' from killing 5 year old girls. It seems if we tell Paul1405's guys what to do it's racism, but they don't control their own people, and little girls die. So what do we do?? I don't want to be involved in Aboriginal affairs, so I'm inclined to let them kill their little girls on their own land if that's what their sovereignty entails (it's terrible but what else do we do). But if Aboriginals want to live and do these sort of things outside of Aboriginal territory they obey Australian law and get treated the same as everybody else. Everybody is a minority in a sense- suck it up.

Thin end of the wedge for Paul1405's 'crimes' I suspect.

http://www.spectator.com.au/2026/05/43-million-by-2100-is-a-choice-not-destiny/

B.W. Jackson- 18 May 2026, 11:43 AM

"Data just published by the Australian Bureau of Statistics show Australia’s population increased by 3.8 million people between 2015 and 2025. Around 1.7 million of those extra people – 45 per cent of the total increase – were born in Asia. Foreign-born residents rose from 28 percent of the population to 32 percent over this period, with the Asian-born share up from 11 percent to 15 percent."

It references an article from the ABS (Australian Bureau of Statistics for Paul1405).

http://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/australias-population-country-birth/latest-release

"Do you agree with me?" asks Paul.

No. Because if I did we'd both be wrong.

"The UN climate change committee has "quietly” discarded the dire temperature rise predictions. "

What ttbn is referring to is the decision by the IPCC governing bodies to drop the high-end of the range of climate scenarios since they are now considered "implausible". So scenarios like RCP8.5 (Representative Concentration Pathway) which delivered the most dire of the scary climate predictions is now considered implausible. Of course many of the people who the alarmists wrongly call 'deniers' have been saying this for decades, ie that the predicted levels of CO2 into 2100 were exaggerated beyond reason. Indeed even in OLO you'll find examples of me saying this more than a decade ago.

So what's changed. Well AI. The people who most favoured and most funded the great CO2 scare, are now throwing their weight and hopes for future profits, behind AI. And AI needs heaps of power and heaps of power needs fossil fuels and fossil fuels means CO2. So suddenly CO2 has to no longer be treated as the enemy of mankind. And the flying-monkeys that bought the whole scare will rapidly fall into line whether they understand the change or not.

Hi Fester,
"I think that US action in Venezuela and Cuba has more to do with the destruction of Russia's army in Ukraine. Russia is even finding Mali tough going. The Venezuelans appear supportive of Trump."

- Russia's going to drop some tactical nukes in some NATO countries soon and test their Article 5, if the Europeans don't quit screwing around.

It is good to see idiots being treated like idiots by Israel and a "far right" Israeli Minister.

Interfering global crackpots, harrased and heckled by the Minister, while the crackpots are humiliated: pushed to the ground, heads down, arses up in a submissive position, sardine-like, like the Muslims they support.

Netanyahu, of course, has to fake disapproval in the hope that the idiots will feel better about him. They won't.

What kind of human monster has no compassion for the deaths of 70,000 innocent people, including women and children. Nor does he give 2 sh!ts for the suffering of 2 million more. He applauds the actions of a fanatical Zionist-Nazi who tries to humiliate people who care about others. The film of this grub reminded me of old war footage of Heinrich Himmler visiting concentration camps, at least Himmler had the "decency" not to personally humiliate Russian POW's.

" the deaths of 70,000 innocent people"

Again, (and I know you want to pretend its not true), at least half of those people were Hamas soldiers. At least half.

There was a story t'other day about one of the Israeli hostages who managed to escape his Hamas captors. He was nabbed by Gazan civilians who promptly turned him back over to Hamas. Tell me again about all those innocent Gazans.

We all remember the footage of the baying Gazan mobs on and after 7 October 2023, mobs that included these so-called innocent women and children, cheering and celebrating as captured hostages (dead and alive) were paraded through the streets of Gazan cities. They only miraculously became 'innocent' when the 'Find Out' part of FAFO (f$$k Around, find out) fell upon them.

Also, and I know you want to pretend this isn't true, but the 70,000 figure is from Hamas and isn't verified or verifiable. But was is known is that there are more Gazans alive today than there were in 2023. So much for the antisemitic claims of 'genocide'.

Hi Trumpster,

You do a great job of repeating what the Zionist-Nazi Propaganda Department want you to say.

There was no 70,000 killed, no one was killed, all those children that were killed were terrorists. Everything you put up is Zionist-Nazi propaganda.

Unlike ttbn who was cheering the actions of the disgusting minister, YOU say nothing.

So that's the choice, is it Paul? 70000 killed as per Hamas or none killed?

No middle ground in Paul-land?

We'll never know how many died in Gaza since 7/10/23. But what we do know is that, whatever the number, most were Hamas warriors and most of the rest were being used by Hamas warriors as human shields. That you don't want that to be true or mentioned, doesn't mean its not correct.

Hi AC,

Solovyov has been making such threats for years, turning Britain into a nuclear wasteland and such like. It's all guff directed at the angry grandpas. The more guff you hear, the grimmer it is for Russia in Ukraine.

" the grimmer it is for Russia in Ukraine."

The joke that Russia started the war with the general view being that they had the second best army in the world and currently we know they have the second best army in Ukraine, is increasingly true.

The Russian advance is effectively stalled even as their casualty toll continues to rise. Currently Russia holds around 19% of Ukrainian land (including Crimea) which is only marginally higher than the 17.5% they held three years ago and way less than the 26% they held shortly after the invasion. So in three years they've managed to gain around 1.5% of the country (mostly empty fields and small villages) at the cost of 1 million casualties.

There's another joke that the Russians are progressing at a snail's pace although in three years a snail would have travelled further than the Russian army.

All this as Ukraine improves its drone arsenal and now hits targets well inside Russia at will. The Kremlin even had to declare a ceasefire for the Victory Day parade to stop it being attacked and they couldn't even muster up enough tanks to make that parade the spectacle it used to be.

Meanwhile, most of Europe have now bowed to Trump pressure and are vowing to increase military spending with some like Poland and Sweden making significant progress in that regard.

Apart from its nukes and the unpredictability of its leadership, Russia is no longer a conventional threat to Europe. Increasingly it is becoming a vassal state to China and its only a matter of time before Peking starts to make demands that the land ceded to Russia during the period of the so-called 'Unequal Treaties' be returned.

Putin's decision to invade Ukraine in 2022 was probably the stupidest so far this century, rivaled only by Iran's decision to sanction the Hamas invasion of Israel in 2023.

Hi Fester,
There's this situation going on with the long range drone attacks from Latvia which is becoming a serious issue for Russia. They keep pushing red lines saying Putin's bluffing, and it's forcing Russia into a situation where it might have to launch a more serious attack on Kiev and also attack NATO bases in Baltic countries.

Hi Trumpster,

The 70,000 figure has been independently verified, it includes thousands of women, children, old people, humanitarian aid works, journalists, hospital staff, so on and so on. Its not some Bibi propaganda or the lies of your new love the Zionist-Nazi minister Itamar Ben-Grub.

You can deny the murder of thousands of innocent Palestinians by the Zionists Death Squads all you like, and you can try to deflect, with a "nothing to see here!" Your claims are nothing more than propagandising lies made up by the Zioist-Nazi's.

I can say most Israelis are good people, they detest the murder and suffering their government is inflicting in their name on innocent Palestinians, and others in the Middle East, including innocent Iranians.

I suppose you believe Poland started WW2, by invading Germany, the beloved Fuhrer said so!

Do you deny that the majority of those who died were Hamas fighters? Struth, even Hamas acknowledges that!! But you'll continue to ignore the facts because they aren't what you want them to be.

Do you deny that large numbers of civilians were killed because Hamas was using them as human shields?

Do you deny that there are now more Gazans than at the outbreak of the war?

Do you deny that the civilian Gazan population celebrated the 7 October attacks and cheered the display of hostages both alive and dead?

Do you deny that so-called innocent civilian population participated in and assisted in the imprisonment of the hostages?

"I suppose you believe Poland started WW2"

I suppose you're running to change the subject away from a losing argument as fast as your stubby legs will allow.

Hi Trumpster,

Do you deny that the majority of those who died were Hamas fighters? YES I DO!

You are still pushing the Zionist-Nazi's propaganda line.

"A study by OHCHR, which verified fatalities from three independent sources, found that 70% of the Palestinians killed in residential buildings or similar housing were women and children."

"As of 3 May 2026, at least 75,811 people (73,770+ Palestinians and 2,039+ Israelis have been reported killed in the Gaza war according to the Gaza Health Ministry (GHM) and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, including 270 journalists and media workers, 120 academics, and over 560 humanitarian aid workers, a number that includes 391 employees of UNRWA. A May 2025 investigation found that a classified IDF (Zionist Death Squads) database listed 8,900 Palestinian fighters as dead or likely dead, or 17% of the 53,000 death toll at the time, which if correct would indicate that 83% of the dead were civilians"

Hi AC,

Both sides have accused each other of using NATO airspace for drone attacks. The response has been denial, claims of malfunction, or deviation from jamming. Millions of drones have been launched so I guess that all is possible, but I haven't seen evidence of NATO countries directly launching drone attacks. They are more like China in that they provide aid only.

Russia has lost much of its air defence and the range and sophistication of Ukraine's drones are now seeing a far greater number of targets being hit. Russia's front line is being starved and degraded.

Well thanks for that Paul. All I ever really wanted to do was to get you to finally (FINALLY) acknowledge that a portion of the so-called innocent Gazan population were indeed fighters.

So even using your highly cherry-picked numbers, 17% of the deaths were fighters (Note I don't agree with that but I can't be bothered getting into an argument with you over things you don't understand). So 17% of 70000 is 11900. So I guess that the next time we see you crying crocodile tears over all the Gazan deaths we'll see you talking about the 58100 'innocent' deaths.

For my next feat, I'll get Paul and his lounge-chair sidekick to acknowledge that the mullahs and their proxies have killed more Muhammadians in the four years since 7/10/23 than the IDF!!

I can't help but note that you scrupulously avoided acknowledging that these supposedly innocent Gazans were delirious over the Jewish (and other's) deaths and hostages on and after 7/10.

Still just getting an acknowledgement that there were Hamas soldiers in the death toll is a step in the right direction for Paul. Baby steps.

Hi Fester,
Russia updated it's nuclear doctrine in 2024.

http://europeanleadershipnetwork.org/commentary/bluff-and-bluster-why-putin-revised-russias-nuclear-doctrine/

The Europeans like to think they're clever and deliberately cross Russian red lines while making out Putin is weak or bluffing.
The Baltic countries are so barking mad that I think they'd actually like to get Russia to attack them so they can scream Article 5.

But you have people like Karaganov who in 2023 argued that Russia must use nuclear weapons to break the "nuclear blackmail" of the West and prevent a loss in the Ukraine war.

He basically argues to call the Wests bluff and see if they're willing to trade say a Polish city for say Boston.
Because that's what America might risk if it attacks a Russian city in response to a Russian nuclear attack on a NATO state.

The attacks on Russian oil refineries are becoming serious, enough that they almost warrant an existential threat.
Also this..
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/2026/05/19/russias-spy-agency-claims-ukraine-plans-to-launch-drone-attacks-from-latvia-a92787

Ukraine planned to hit the May 9 parade, but Trump called a ceasefire to prevent anything bad from happening because Russia probably made clear that if this happened there would be hell to pay.

I think Russia hit Kiev with what some called an Oreshnik overnight, but it looked more like an Iranian Khorramshahr 4 missile in effect, the ones with the cluster munitions.

I don't really watch much Russian media, (you mentioned Solovyov)
It wouldn't surprise me if we see some more big attacks from Russia, I doubt they will use nuclear weapons yet, (Putins bluffing) but the Baltic states are pushing their luck and so is Ukraine targeting civilian areas.

Might not be bluffing for much longer though.

There was a time when AC was assuring all who'd listen that the Russian capture of Odessa was imminent and that a general break-out of Russian forces following the fall of Bakhmut would see the whole of Kiev over-run.

Well, it took a long time, but even the clueless AC is now realising that Russia is losing this war and that the only way they can hope to get out of it with anything approaching a draw is to risk nuclear war in the hope that the west will be more solicitous of Russian lives than the Russian leadership is.

Quite a climb down.

"For my next feat, I'll get Paul and his lounge-chair sidekick to acknowledge that the mullahs and their proxies have killed more Muhammadians in the four years since 7/10/23 than the IDF!!"

You could try to pedal some made up Israeli bs, that you heard over at Lie Central, sorry I meant Truth Social, but what makes you think I'd buy any of it..
Trump and Netanyahu probably do lie about 98% of the time / tell the truth about 2% of the time, you do know this right?

"I can't help but note that you scrupulously avoided acknowledging that these supposedly innocent Gazans were delirious over the Jewish (and other's) deaths and hostages on and after 7/10.

Still just getting an acknowledgement that there were Hamas soldiers in the death toll is a step in the right direction for Paul. Baby steps."

Hamas just seem like people who werent willing to be exterminated quietly.
Wheres all these pictures of dead Hamas, I've never seen a single one.

Maybe this person was 17% Hamas
http://x.com/xIsraelExposedx/status/2057850352372736227

what about this one, is he 17% Hamas.
http://x.com/aapayes/status/2058237011404718521

Look Israeli aerobics - genocide style.
http://x.com/docjazzmusic/status/2058081216818299258

Ffs, do you watch any footage from Israel?
- They're all terrorists apparently, (Palestinians) even the ones in the womb, it's perfectly fine to kill women and kids and murder babies because they all become terrorists, that's the attitude of 95% of the whole country.
- Stuff you and your unwavering support for a racist death cult.

There's a new October 7 that Israel commits somewhere every few days.

These religious nuts make a social event of blowing up other peoples homes for foreign invasion and conquest.
http://x.com/Sudo95899742/status/2058370981035475084

These people are deranged.
http://x.com/Jvnior/status/2056143755191664801

I'm not even sure they know right from wrong.

More deranged shite.
http://x.com/Parodyjeffx/status/2057524920146411797

'I'm gods chosen. These laws do not apply to me'

http://x.com/Jvnior/status/2055734385953980808

These people are just as hateful in their souls as anything they accuse others of, this is the exact kind of peer-pressure reinforing death cult mindset that see so many innocent people murdered that it's not quantifiable.

I see a steady stream of this bs, daily.
It's enough to show a pattern of belief and character.

Thanks AC,

Interesting times. Yes, I think that Russia using nuclear weapons is about as likely as China reclaiming territory.

The reality is that Russia's military and air defences have been greatly degraded whilst Ukraine's military has become very effective at locating and eliminating targets. Russia's targeting of civilians is an admission of failure. I suspect that Ukraine will stick to the same pattern of withering attacks. It isn't spectacular, but it is effective.

Hi Fester,
"Interesting times. Yes, I think that Russia using nuclear weapons is about as likely as China reclaiming territory."

Don't put it past them.
Watch this, it goes over most of the things I've outlined in detail by someone who can explain it all better than me.
There's even a segment of Karaganov on Glenn Dieson's channel a couple days back where he advocates use of nuclear weapons.

Nuclear Fear of Russia Can Bring Stability /Alastair Crooke & Lt Col Daniel Davis
http://youtu.be/-rwVBXNiXSQ

Hi AC,

Thanks for that video. Yes, Ukraine is being assisted by other nations, but so is Russia, and it was Russia's choice to invade Ukraine as it is Russia's choice to leave. You might also note the assistance given to Iran by Russia and China.

I've heard stuff about Crimea being vulnerable, but I still think it too much of a stretch for Ukraine's army, at least in the short term.

Well that's quite a tantrum there AC. But when people start offering links to data from people that openly admit to be a parody account, as evidence, then they truly have lost it and are grappling at straws.

As to the Muhammadians killing more Muhammadians than the IDF.....

Killed in the Syrian revolt by the regime....650,000 +
Killed in the recent uprising against Iran's dictators....45,000+ (at least 50000 arrested with an unknown number killed in prison)
Killed in the Yemini civil war.... 400,000 +

But let's pretend none of that happened and go back to blaming the Joos for all the ills in the Arab world.

Hi Trumpster,

You don't allow for interference by the West in Middle East affairs which has contributed to million of deaths. You don't take into account, 'cause and effect', the Middle East has been a central target of the West because of its geographical location, between west and east, and its vast oil reserves, which are vital to Western Capitalism. No wonder there is so much instability resulting in so many killed in the region.

All three of the events I mentioned were civil wars between differing factions in Islam. Its been going on for 1200 years. Nothing to do with the west although those with little historic understanding will not get it.

Killed in the Syrian revolt by the regime....650,000 +
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore
Timber Sycamore was a covert program run by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) with the aim of removing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad from power, by supplying weapons, money and training to Syrian opposition groups that fought against government forces in the Syrian Civil War.

Killed in the recent uprising against Iran's dictators....45,000+ (at least 50000 arrested with an unknown number killed in prison)
- Where did you get those numbers from let me guess - an independent, non-governmental, and non-political organization that does not accept funding from governments?
But one thats run out of Virginia, 10 minutes from Langley?

Human Rights Activists in Iran (HRAI), which operates the Human Rights Activists News Agency (HRANA), has received funding from the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), a U.S.-based non-profit organization that is primarily funded by the U.S. government.
While HRAI has stated it is an independent, non-governmental, and non-political organization that does not accept funding from governments, it has acknowledged on its own website that it has accepted donations from the NED since March 2011.

Killed in the Yemini civil war.... 400,000 +
- The Houthi-led government in Sanaa has accused Israel of collaborating with Saudi Arabia and the UAE to control Yemen and secure the Red Sea, viewing the war as an extension of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

US says it caused dollar shortage to trigger Iran protests
http://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2026/2/13/us-says-it-caused-dollar-shortage-to-trigger-iran-protests-what-that-means

How many f- time must I tell you

I DON'T SUPPORT SANCTIONS OR OVERTHROWS
So this stuff is really all black and white to me
- but you don't understand this

How many times must I tell you that the blame FOR ALL THIS SHITE lies squarely at the feet of the U.S. and Israel.

It's gotten millions of people killed, including the ones you falsely blame on Iran that are a result of America and Israels actions.

Clean Break policy document and 9/11 and the War on Terror.
- All a plot to take out all these countries that supported Palestinians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x17KVOiiGfI

- No Sanctions - No Overthrows -

[Cont.]
You throw these 45,000 numbers around.
Like you think those inflated figures represent something the 'regime' has done.
But I (correctly) see it as something Israel and America has done.

You support regime changes, then you take responsibility for the bloodshed.
And you eat the humble pie and take the blame when it all goes pear shaped.

They caused the currency collapse with sanctions and market manipulation.
They caused the protests to try to engineer regime change, and Israeli officials admitted to having Mossad embedded amongst Iranian protesters.

Do you not remember LOSER Trump demanding regime change, and unconditional surrender?

These wars and illegal occupations are what leads to terrorists attacks.

When are YOU GOING TO ACCEPT THE BLAME for the poor outcomes of SHITE POLICIES YOU SUPPORT?

I don't support sanctions or overthrows and all this bs is a consequence of it.

So AC, you're not denying that the Arabs killed each other in numbers greater than the IDF could possibly manage. But due to your poor historic perspective, you fail to see that all this is just a continuation of intra-Islam conflict that goes back centuries.

Yes we know, Pete Hegseth thinks he's a Christian crusader living in the 10th century with the tattoos the boot, and Israel and the West use intra-Islam conflict to play everyone off against each other.

Stop worrying about what others are doing and look at what the West is doing.
I don't dance to your tune mhaze.

Trumps backed himself into a corner where he's not going to get a better nuclear deal with Iran than the one Obama already had.
Now he's gotta pay Iran millions like he criticised Obama for.
He put out these messages on Truth social which are detached from reality.
Talks about having made agreements, he's full of it.
Negotiating with himself again, Iran's agreed to nothing.
Begging for completion of the Abraham Accords.
'We're going to rebuild the M/E' actually means

'We're going to destroy the global economy and the whole world will pay for our reckless obsessive Jewish hatred for anyone supporting Palestinians'.

AC,
You have a very low opinion of Arabs, don't you. You don't deny that they are killing each other by the thousands but just try to blame it on the west by assuming that the Arabs have been duped into fighting each other by those evil Joos.

It takes an unbelievably poor understanding of history to even consider that to be possible and an unbelievably low opinion of Arabs to think they could be so easily duped.

'One of the marks of anti-Semitism is an ability to believe stories that could not possibly be true’, wrote Orwell. AC has honed that ability to a fine point.

Hi mhaze,

Stop trying to put words into my mouth or be trying to control or win some argument.
You're only trying to plug holes in a leaky boat while I always have the truth, and the truth wins.

Which is why you're resorting to using anti-semite in the same way you use Trump-Derangement-Syndrome against others when you're not winning the argument and also in the exact same way you tried to argue the merits against immigration and then cried when someone did the same to you and labeled you racist.

I'm actually sick of this petty bs so I'll just win by telling the truth now and telling you you're pathetic for stooping to regurgitated auto-whinges.

You can call me an anti-semite, I don't give a shite.
Better that than being a pathetic hypocrite with no principles at all trying hopelessly to defend genocide and ethic cleansing.
- Good luck with that.

Also, your argument is stupid btw.
Even if Arabs were 'killing other Arabs by the thousands' as you claim - it doesn't take away any of Israels ugly truths, it's just a pathetic attempt to misdirect Israeli responsibility from Israeli actions and say 'But - the other side did this!'

You should've gone and read that Laura Tingle article I shared on the other thread, because unfortunately for you, people like yourself are the first idiots she mentions.

Israel misses the point and consequences of its actions in wake of flotilla outcry
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-23/israel-global-sumud-flotilla-gaza-israeli-detention-ben-gvir/106692316

"Politics is never at its optimal when it reaches the 'yes but whatever our side did, the other side was worse' stage."
- Sounds exactly like your attempted winning argument doesn't it;

'But, but, but - THE Arabs!'

Where Arabs are fighting other Arabs it's mostly because Israel and Trump want to 'reshape' the M/E with endless wars, conflict and division, whilst pursuing Greater Israel polices and getting other states to sign up to the Abraham Accords.

Hi Trumpster,

I wish I had the time to educate you about Arab history, just as I did recently with the Vikings. Unfortunately you proved to be a very slow learner, saying you had read several 'Marvel Comics' about Vikings and such super hero's, so you knew all there was to know on the subject, again not good enough!

p/s Don't get into a stoush with Armchair, like me he is also far too smart for you, and will run rings around you, just as I did.

If I can be of any more help, just beg, I'm all ears!

Israeli strike kills parents and infant son in Gaza refugee camp
http://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-east/article/3354699/israeli-fire-kills-parents-and-their-baby-gaza-refugee-camp-officials-say

>>“A man sleeping along with his wife and their six-month &#8288;infant son in their bed. The rocket fell on his bed, and it took him, with his wife and &#8204;son, leaving behind six young girls,” said the infant’s grandmother, Umm Hamza Abu Mallouh, with tears in her eyes.<<

But, but, but...

October 7!
Hamas, Hamas!
October 7!
Beheaded babies... IN OVENS!
Holocaust!
October 7!
Mass rapes!
Hostages!
Anti-Semites!
OCTOBER 7!
Terrorists!

Yeah, ok whatever
[Rolls eyes]
idiot.

You know why none of this stuff works on me?

Because I don't support sanctions and overthrows.
I support diplomacy, dialogue and compromise over conflict.
And I don't support the harm of non-combatants.

Ethics and principles mhaze, it makes everything really simple.
You should try it sometime when you get sick of defending that which cannot be defended.

I heard a story yesterday.
There was this one child... in the U.S. and Israeli attack on the Schoolgirls Elementary School in Minab, they think she must've suffered a direct hit right in the head from the Tomahawk block IV missile fired into the school because she was the only child that no remains were found of her whatsoever.

But you don't care about things like that mhaze...
They don't matter to you.

Seeing as the subject is western decline, I thought I'd add a perspective from a fellow who lived in China for 14 years.

https://youtu.be/ZlyZPouPvD4?si=MOnZhUIoC0IF0ouu

Hey Fester,

Looks like Russia's had it and about to blow up Kiev.
There was a recent attack on the vocational school and dormitory in the town of Starobilsk in Ukraine’s Luhansk region which killed and injured multiple civilians, including children.
This looks to be the straw that broke the camels back..

As of May 26, 2026, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov advised U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio to evacuate U.S. diplomats and citizens from Kyiv, citing planned "systematic and consistent strikes" on the Ukrainian capital. This request was made via phone at President Vladimir Putin’s request, and constitutes a significant escalation in warnings regarding personnel in Kyiv. The Warning: Russia has threatened continued heavy, targeted strikes on "decision-making centers" in Kyiv, prompting them to officially advise foreign governments to remove personnel.

That was the official diplomatic warning to leave.

"Even if Arabs were 'killing other Arabs by the thousands' as you claim - it doesn't take away any of Israels ugly truths"

Even if? But but you didn't even try to dispute the numbers I provided. Just saying I don't want it to be true, therefore it isn't true, doesn't really cut it in the adult world.

Its not about mitigating the deaths in Gaza. But it is about putting it into context in a part of the world that is riven with hate and death due to the religion of peace.

And its about revealing rank hypocrisy. Crying crocodile tears over the deaths in Gaza while assiduously ignoring the vastly greater numbers of deaths in neighbouring countries is the hypocrisy of which I speak.

"saying you had read several 'Marvel Comics' about Vikings"

Paul writes lots of utter tripe that he sadly thinks is funny although it probably works well in primary school. But occasionally he inadvertently stumbles on a true rib-tickler. Case in point... "I wish I had the time to educate you about Arab history, just as I did recently with the Vikings."

Paul teaching anyone about any period of history.... now that's funny. And as regards the Vikings, the only thing he taught me or anyone else on that was how little he knew.

Unlike AC, I don't link to parody accounts let alone believe what they say. But I do occasionally link to something which is particularly insightful.

Try this one.... http://hotair.com/david-strom/2026/05/22/is-russia-now-losing-the-war-in-ukraine-n3815173

("Is Russia Losing the War in Ukraine?")

As things unravel for Putin and as the Russian economy is systematically dismantled, Putin is becoming increasingly desperate. Who knows? Maybe AC is right (now that's a phrase I rarely use) and Putin may be prepared to risk having Moscow reduced to ashes just to save his worthless hide.

Hi AC,

Putin is using Oreshnik missiles. They are not accurate, hence Lavrov's warning. They don't have much of payload either, which has been criticised by mill bloggers. I don't see much point attacking Kiev unless Putin is trying to provoke an attack on Moscow or St Petersburg. He needs another mobilisation soon. I hope the Ukrainians see through it. They have been pretty smart so far.

Did you know that Beijing spends ten billion US annually on international propaganda? The theme is "China is amazing and the western world is going down the toilet.".

Hi Fester,
>>Putin is using Oreshnik missiles. They are not accurate, hence Lavrov's warning.<<
- They're based on the YARS missile, which is built for nuclear warheads.
Lavrov stated they'll be taking out decision making centres.

>>Did you know that Beijing spends ten billion US annually on international propaganda? The theme is "China is amazing and the western world is going down the toilet."<<
- No, but that's not really propaganda.

" - No, but that's not really propaganda."

Touche.

Hi AC,

This guy lived there for fourteen years thinks there is a lot of deception about the image presented to the world.

https://youtu.be/mVVWeyM2ilY?si=uYBQ64Zh9jCRsao4

This is interesting....

http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2026/05/27/ukraine-war-enters-a-new-phase-n4953291

The war is entering new phase as the Ukrainian drone offensive shows remarkable success.

""Russia is considering limiting exports of diesel and jet fuel," Bloomberg and other sources reported Tuesday, "as refinery run rates fall to multi-year lows amid Ukraine’s escalating attacks." An Interfax source claimed that the decision to ban exports is at "an advanced stage," but no date has been set.

I heard the current impact of refinery strikes has cost 20% of production, though I'm not sure how much of that they can actually sell with sanctions, I'm not sure of all the facts.
But I believe it's at a point where Russia knows it can't allow it to continue any further.
The Europeans are like Israel, they want to drag America in to fight a war for them.
I don't know if Russia will attack a NATO base in a NATO country or not, but I think they know these long range strikes can't continue in the same manner.

Russias had a fairly average last few months, and even lost territory.
One thing that cost them was losing the Starlink battlefield communications, but they have their own systems now.

I did hear something interesting in a video earlier.
Jeffrey Sachs stated that an ex-Australian PM contacted him and spoke about what Germany gave USSR as quid pro quo for German reunification. Apparently Chancellor Kohl 1982–1998 when asked told our ex-PM that the Germans promised never to (support) expansion of NATO eastwards.

See here.
http://www.youtube.com/live/15Z1pTg6q-c?t=893

He didn't say which PM, but I think it might be Keating.

Hi AC,

The Ukrainian drone advantage has given them almost complete air superiority about a hundred miles into Russian territory. This is allowing them to starve the front line and inflict huge damage. Crimea is almost cut off and under siege.

Russian territorial losses may well accelerate at least until they can find technical counters. Throwing meat wave attacks via a mobilisation may not work. They might be forced to retreat.

https://youtu.be/Z4LlEtYCRAc?si=9zhrBUuFBrLTXsVu

"In later interviews (e.g., 2014), Gorbachev clarified that the topic of broader NATO enlargement "was not discussed at all" in those years. Baker's (James A Baker) statement was in the specific context of East Germany, not a general ban on expansion. He noted that the assurances given were fulfilled regarding Germany."

Hi Fester,
The defense of Konstantinivka has collapsed.
Russians will probably take the city entirely within a few weeks.
They did get pushed back in Stepnohirsk.
They're closing in on Orikhiv.

Hi AC,

Konstantinivka has been a major objective of Russia, but given the number of premature claims of ground taken I'd wait for confirmation, but it does look as if Ukraine will lose the city.

Ukraine's strategy has been one of attrition whereas Russia has been one of terrorising civilians and sacrificing troops and equipment for small gains. Attacks on Russian oil refining has been the most significant event of the war. When Russian citizens cannot get fuel they know that things are not going well.

With the dominance and expansion of Ukrainian drone attacks it could be more difficult for Russia to supply and maintain advances. If Russia doesn't counter this in the next few months the whole front is in trouble.

Oh no! I just booked a package holiday with 'Trip-A-Deal' for 10 days in Ukraine, off to Konstantinivka, then down to Stepnohirsk, followed by a few days in Orikhiv. I was told we would get to see the Worlds 'Biggest Pile Of Rubble' in Konstantinicka, its bigger than the 'Big Banana' and 'Big Pineapple' combined! Don't want to miss that!

Paul,

Glad you find death and human misery funny when your mate Vlad is doing the pillaging and killing.

If Ukrainians were like Gazans I'd be a fervent supporter of Russia's invasion. As it is, Ukrainians don't make it their life purpose to murder Russians.

Hi Fester,

You gotta laugh sometimes, the world is crazy. Yes, its irreverent the amount of needless human suffering in the world. Unfortunately we can all be callus at times. Take Trump, profited by placing bets on when he would kill Iranians. The Zionists, and how dismissive they are of the real human suffering they are inflicting on the Palestinians. There are many other horrible examples.

"Glad you find death and human misery funny when your mate Vlad is doing the pillaging and killing."

I call you out as a liar on that statement, find one word on this Forum where I have said I am supportive of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. As a pacifist I condemn all militarism and all murders in war

"As a pacifist I condemn all militarism and all murders in war"

So you would have opposed Australia fighting back against Japan in 1942? Murdering all those innocent Japanese on the Kokoda Track?

Hi Trumpster,

Unfortunately war happens, do I condone war... NO! Do I agree with war... NO!

I believe in the diplomatic path as a means to avoid conflict, I certainly don't agree with the killing of innocent civilians as YOU do in Gaza, seeing them as worthless expendable collateral damage.

True self defence is an option, but I stress self defence. Wars are complected events they don't simply spontaneously erupt.

"opposed Australia fighting back against Japan in 1942" If I did, I would be on the side of the Nazi admiring Pig Iron Bob Menzies, aanother folk hero of your's, and founder of the LIBERAL PARTY, look up the 'Brisbane Line'. No wonder 4,000 to 5,000 Nazi's were able to flee Europe and settle in Australia with impunity under a Menzies government from 1949 to 1961. Watched the doco on SBS last night.

"look up the 'Brisbane Line'."

We had a discussion on the Brisbane line myth a while back on these pages where I was able to school you on why its was a myth that it was a Menzies idea or that anyone took it seriously. It was merely a strategic option that was floated by the military to be used if the Japanese ever landed on Australian soil. But it became an ALP electoral myth and Paul always ALWAYS falls for ALP myths.. Why am I not surprised that you forgot that?

But it seems Paul would have been in favour of fighting the Japanese. See even self-preening pacificists are able to see sense occasionally.

Hi Trumpster,

I'm not going to take a history lesson from a bloke whose only achievement at school was a 'Smiley Stamp' from Miss Bigens for his crayon colouring in the 3rd Grade. YOU never opened a history book, a fact that they didn't teach history in the remedial class at your school.

Nothing to say about 4,000 to 5,000 Nazi's migrating to Australia under the Menzies Government? Nothing to say about Pig iron Bob tripping off to Nazi Germany in 1938, and returning with nothing but praise for National Socialism. Nothing to say about Menzies selling pig iron to Japan to make bombs to kill tens of thousands of the Chinese, and later Australians!

Well I could and probably will talk about those other things and educate you AGAIN about them (for example, I recall spending quite some time teaching you about the Pig Iron Bob myth) and explore the failings of self-preening pacificists but let's first get past your completely foolish swallowing of the Brisbane line myth. As I said, I'd already taught you about that but let's do it again...

"The so-called "Brisbane Line" was never a policy of the Menzies Government or any other conservative administration. It originated as a wartime political smear by Labor Minister Eddie Ward in October 1942. Ward accused the previous United Australia Party-Country Party coalition governments of Robert Menzies and Arthur Fadden of planning to abandon northern Australia to the Japanese, retreating to defend only the south-east industrial heartland behind a line roughly north of Brisbane.

This claim was entirely false. A Royal Commission established by Prime Minister John Curtin in 1943 thoroughly investigated the allegations and found no evidence that any such plan had been approved or even seriously developed by the Menzies Government. No documents supporting Ward's claims existed, and Menzies and his ministers strongly denied them.
In reality, a proposal to prioritise the defence of vital industrial regions between Brisbane and Melbourne was put forward by Lt General Iven Mackay in February 1942 — after Menzies was out of office — and submitted to the Curtin Labor Government, which rejected it.

The myth gained traction due to wartime anxiety and political opportunism ahead of the 1943 election. General Douglas MacArthur even popularised the term "Brisbane Line" in a press conference. However, the conservative governments under Menzies and Fadden had focused on broader national defence and cooperation with Britain, not regional abandonment. The Brisbane Line remains a classic example of how Labor successfully weaponised a fabricated narrative against their conservative opponents."

Hi Trumpster,

Your "evidence" is circumstantial and mostly hearsay at best, nonsense to us of the more educated elevated and knowledgeable establishment on the higher astral plane than YOU! What about the 5,000 Nazi's, nothing to say about that Pig Iron Bob voting mob, have you!

There are people out there who would part with thousands to be educated by me, and I'm educating YOU for gratis! Unashamedly there are those who refer to me as the "NEW EINSTEIN" of hysterical education. You may if you wish, I wont be embarrassed. Remember the Vikings, and the Alamo, African slaves, the Mungrels, Kodly Khan and his bro Fungus Khan I tough YOU about the lot.

"Your "evidence" is circumstantial and mostly hearsay at best,"

I pointed out to you that there had been a ROYAL COMMISION on the so-called Brisbane line that found that the claim it was something the Menzies government had pushed was all a made up ALP lie.

And you say a ROYAL COMMISION is circumstantial and hearsay?

You really are a bozo.

As to the pig Iron Bob rubbish, that's just another made up ALP lie that Paul fell for and refuses to 'unfall' for. And now he's fallen for or (more likely) misunderstood some rubbish claim about 5000 NAZIs who came to Australia after ww2. I don't know where he got the false data from and Paul never supplies sources so we'll never know, but the facts are that there were no proven war criminals found in Australia. In 1987 the Hawke government formed the Special Investigations Unit (SIU) which found 800 or so people to investigate, of which only 4 were shown to be suspect and when those were taken to court all were found not guilty.

Oh, and three of those four came to Australia under the Chifley ALP government.

So Paul's 5000 number is more evidence of his bozo-ness.

Seems Paul realises he's on a hiding to nothing here and exited stage left.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3iwdeCOMQ

Hi Trumpster,

I was waiting fro you to say something about Pig Iron Bob's trip to Nazi Germany in 1938, or Bob's instance on the sale of pig iron to Japan, later used to bomb and kill Australians..

Oh, so Paul's surrendered on the Brisbane Line rubbish and now wants to find out how all his other rubbish is...errr... rubbish.

(Still even though he's now accepted that his Brisbane line rubbish is rubbish, that won't stop him regurgitating it at some time in the future after he's forgotten that his Brisbane line rubbish was shown to be....errrr..... rubbish.

OK the Pig Iron Bob rubbish. (We've been here before but it seems I need to remind Paul of this every year or so.)

1. Menzies was neither for nor against selling pig iron to Japan. But a perfectly legal contract had been made by BHP to sell pig iron to Japan and the Waterside Workers Union were trying to stop it by refusing to load the ship. Menzies, as the nation's Attorney-General, was obligated to enforce the law. So he wasn't selling pig iron, just upholding the law of the land.
2. Pig iron wasn't used to make munitions since it is too brittle for that. It was used to make factories etc. The claim about it being used to bomb Chinese and later Australians is just more leftard propaganda based on a misunderstanding of the facts.
3. Ironically, the money BHP made by selling pig iron to Japan was used by them to make steal that was used to make munitions in Australia which were in turn used against the Japanese after 1941.

Menzies visit Europe in 1938. He came away praising the efficiency of the German state. Vast numbers of western politicians praised the efficiency of the German state in 1938. That doesn't mean the praised everything about German state. For example Menzies was very vocal in condemning Kristallnacht. Curtin OTOH was very much in favour of the Munich Agreement that was so favourable to Hitler.

Hi Trumpster, (Disloyal Australian)

The BRISBANE LINE is a fact, and you can't deny it by squirming your way around it. You can't deny Pig Iron Bob was an admirer of the Fuhrer, and was very disappointed that he was unable have a private meeting with Hitler in 1938.. Japan bombed Darwin 64 times, they had plenty of pig iron to make bombs, thanks to Pig Iron Bob Menzies!

Have you brushed up on the Vikings? If not just read some of my enlightening posts on the subject, and you will be rewarded with a wealth of knowledge, as always.

So Paul, you're going to just stick your figures in your ears, cover your eyes and then declare that you can't see the evidence. Pretty standard there.

"If not just read some of my enlightening posts on the subject"
No such posts exist. As with all such things, you make stuff up and then convince yourself its fact.