Unelected judges have overridden the elected government in NSW, finding that a bipartisan decision to stop the “weekly occupation of Sydney streets by the hard-left” , is unconstitutional.

These judges have once again “found” a freedom of political communication that does not appear in the Constitution. Made it up, in other words.

Unlike in the US, which has clear and enforceable rights of political communication, the “freedoms” in Australia don't protect us, but are a “license for judicial bias” with serious discretion afforded to activist judges.

In that regard, the example is given of coming down on someone praying outside an abortion clinic, compared with backing the “right” of aggressive minorities to block roads and bridges, and spout antisemitic hatred while waving flags and symbols that have been declared illegal.

The “creation” of this sort of freedom for a lunatic minority is a serious mistake for judges playing politics instead of doing their real jobs. And, if any changes to our Constitution are really needed or wanted by a majority of Australians, they should be decided by referendum and public consultation as happened when it was first written “with an elected convention followed by a serious, considered debate and a series of referendums”.

It is believed by Professor David Flint, who has had extensive experience with Constitutional law, that our Constitution was seriously damaged when activist judges “went into league with a political class”; the very people who appoint judges.

To replace the “value judgements” of the High Court we need a referendum to incorporate citizen-initiated referenda in the Constitution.

(Source: David Flint, ‘ The judicial invention of freedom: A bridge too far?’, Spectator 18/4/26)

It sounds a bit crazy ttbn. It looks like something that needs to be resolved at a level deeper than the problem itself. I have to admit I'm at a bit of a loss at what to do here. I suppose all social systems have contradictions. But I have faith that problems have solutions. Thanks for raising this interesting problem.

I don't think the judges would have the same patience with Traditionalist's.

I think this is the episode of Yes, Minister where Hacker threatens to deny a knighthood to influence a decision of a university bureaucrat (rather than a judicial bureaucrat). Don't the politicians appoint the senior judges. And how does the 'Overton Window' apply here?

I got this from AI- (it sounds like the legislature should be able to get the laws past the judiciary under the auspices of 'justified impairment'). I suspect that sometimes a government might want to look like they are doing something without doing anything, so they could draft a law they know won't get past the umpire.

"
The implied freedom of political communication (IPC) is recognised by the High Court of Australia.
It is implied from the Constitution’s system of representative and responsible government.
IPC protects communication about government, public affairs, politics and voting.
It is not an individual personal right but a constitutional limitation on legislative power.
Key authority: Lange v Australian Broadcasting Corporation (1997).
The Lange test has two steps: does the law burden political communication; if so, is it proportionate to a legitimate purpose?
Proportionality involves suitability, necessity (least restrictive means), and adequate balance.
Legitimate purposes include protecting reputation, privacy, public order, electoral integrity and national security.
Laws that do not burden political communication fall outside IPC scrutiny.
Defamation laws can be valid but must be applied compatibly with IPC (e.g., qualified privilege).
Electoral advertising and disclosure rules are permissible if proportionate.
Strict prior restraints on political speech are likely to be invalid.
Courts assess whether a law’s burden is justified in the context of representative government.
Remedies for invalid laws include declarations of invalidity and injunctions.
IPC does not protect all political speech absolutely; burdens can be justified.
Recent High Court decisions refine proportionality analysis rather than discard Lange.
Successful challenges require showing substantial, unjustified impairment of political communication.
IPC analysis is highly fact- and context-sensitive.
Practical use: test laws that restrict political debate for burden and proportionality.
For case summaries or a checklist applying the test, provide the statute or scenario.
"

CM

I don't have a clue either. But there will be nothing done unless people know about it. Or care about it: but that's another matter. My only self-imposed obligation is to let people know things that they might not get from the MSM, which is where most people get any information they have.

63% of Australians report that they gain all of their information from commercial television. Last year, The Guardian claimed that most people now get their information from social media. Maybe. But AI, saving us from tedious searching, reports that up to 90% of users “consume (online) content without actively engaging”. They say nothing, but they vote, and they are the people we hope we are reaching.

FFS, can't you add the bloody link to your opening threads?

The judicial invention of freedom: A bridge too far?
http://www.spectator.com.au/2026/04/the-judicial-invention-of-freedom-a-bridge-too-far/

You took the time to type this:

(Source: David Flint, ‘ The judicial invention of freedom: A bridge too far?’, Spectator 18/4/26)

Do you actually believe 'you're way is the best way' because it's not.

I don't want to have to go googling for anything to find out what you're on about in an opening thread.

How To Copy And Paste Url Of Website
http://youtu.be/o1QX4dLm-5c

AC,

Well don't ‘go Googling’ if you don't want to. But, it doesn't seem to bother when do it in your own posts . We've been through that elsewhere.

Unless you are a Spectator subscriber, you can't open the article anyway.

As I said above, I want to point out things to people that they might not have access to, usually by reviewing an article written by someone else. I acknowledge the author as required by good manners and to avoid any possible accusation of plagiarism.

I don't claim to be good at it, but it is what professional reviewers do all the time.

Thanks again ttbn

Hi ttbn,

I'm not a Spectator subscriber, but I can still open and view the article.

Here's the last 3 paragraphs of it...

>>In my view, this is yet another reason to give one’s first preference to One Nation, a position argued here in the last election. It is expected that if the Albanese government is defeated in the next election, a government will emerge which is supported by the Liberals, Nationals, and One Nation. That does not mean they will all necessarily be in the government. One could be outside but refraining from joining a vote of No Confidence or supporting a denial of supply.

If a Coalition government of Liberals and Nationals emerged in that situation, One Nation could in negotiations insist on support for holding a referendum to incorporate CIRs into the constitution.

If that were passed, ‘value judgments’ could, as in Switzerland, be taken away from the High Court and returned to the ballot box. Only then would our infrastructure and our social order be protected from the caprice of a judicial elite.<<

"As I said above, I want to point out things to people that they might not have access to, usually by reviewing an article written by someone else. I acknowledge the author as required by good manners and to avoid any possible accusation of plagiarism."

Whenever anyone starts a thread, the FIRST thing I want to do is go look at the article referenced, to understand better the content and where threat starter is coming from.
Plagiarism? Who cares, it's perfectly fine to quote an article or to share an authors thoughts on a topic anyway.

Why don't you tell us about the pro's and con's of citizen-initiated referendums?
- Why is it good, and how will it all go wrong?

FYI, David Flint is pro-Israel, so the article is not unbiased.
Are these changes meant to benefit Aussies or Jews and the Israel lobby?

I don't support do-gooders approaching people at abortion clinics, that's not right, even if one is motivated to try and save the lives of the unborn and that's the morally right thing to do.
(You can't assume to know a strangers circumstances and it's not necessarily a good thing to fill them with doubt and guilt prior to a 'medical procedure', if one can call it that)

Do I think that people should be allowed to block streets?
- No, not to protest and not to pray, and why?
Because some poor innocent persons family member could be dying in an ambulance being held up in the traffic, meaning 'The end's DO NOT justify the means'.
A person may be defending Palestinian lives, and that's not a bad thing in itself - but you can't do it at the potential expense of harming some other innocent person.

How would a so called citizen-initiated referendum be activated? Firstly a referendum would have to be held to change the Constitution to accommodate such a move, as well as the procedural requirements for CIR's to be held. It would require bipartisan support from the left and right of politics, otherwise it would be doomed to failure. Sounds a rather wacky feel good idea to me.

AC,

Calm down. I am not going to comply with your rules.

Hmm, your friend David Flint supports Israel, just as you do.
Tell me do you also support using canines to rape Palestinian deainees who are kidnapped and held hostage without charge?

Is this a part of the culture and values you were talking about earlier?
Judeo-Christian values?

http://x.com/OunkaOnX/status/2046433214638796992
>>Krystal Ball just read testimony from an Israeli detention center. 'They stripped him. A captain sprayed something on his backside. They unleashed the dog. The dog raped the young man. It raped him, literally speaking, raped'

This is not a conspiracy theory. This is documented along with many other. This is what Israel does And because the victims are Palestinian Muslims. So you don't see any coverage on Western media.<<

Maybe the Israelis you and David supported pushed this provision through with CIR and that's how they became child murdering rapists?

As a good Christian I guess you also approve them destroying churches, statues of Jesus, crosses, restricting Easter services, spitting on Christians etc.

AC

My concern is ACTIVIST JUDGES usurping elected politicians, not just this particular case. You can't stop yourself from expressing your disgusting Jew-hatred, no matter what the subject is, you vile, racist antisemite. Your devotion to unsubstantiated videos has warped your mind.

And, you ignoramus, nobody pushed anything through with “CIR” because Citizen Initiated Referenda do not exist in Australia. How ignorant can a person be!

I “support” no country but Australia. I sympathise with Israel and Jews, but what you call support is beyond an old nobody like me.

I am ashamed of myself for having encouraged someone like you. It stops now.

While I'm opposed to the tactics and chanting used by the pro-Gazan activists, I'm also opposed to censorship of any kind.

The constitution exists to ensure that acts of parliament, even when overwhelmingly backed by a parliamentarians and, probably, the general public, can't be enforced if they run contrary to the rules of the nation. These laws passed by NSW were always problematic and contrary to any notion of free speech that underpins our democracy. Sure, it was a fraught time and the government was worried about ethnic minorities taking their enmity toward each other to the streets. But that's a problem with multiculturalism not free speech.

The laws were wrong and I'm glad they were overturned. Just as I'll be glad when Queensland's laws banning certain phrases like "From the River to the Sea" get overturned as being utterly contrary to any notion of freedom of speech.

Apart from anything else, its important to let the anti-western minorities yell their antisemitic tripe so that they can be seen. Its how we tell who they are and who the morons are.

Yes I'm opposed to activist judges who make decisions based on their own prejudices rather than the actual law, but this wasn't the case here

Speaking of morons spouting their antisemitism, we turn to AC who gives a story claiming that Jewish dogs are raping Palestinians. And his source? Some wannabe journalist called Krystal Ball (if that's not a giver-away I'm not sure what is). One of the comments on his link says that "You’d have to be educated in a Palestinian school to believe something this absurd". But you don't. You just need to be as monumentally gullible as AC.

Didn't we used to have a David Flint that used to participate here on OLO. Taught at Brisbane Grammar or something.

I like your second post, mhaze, but I wouldn't be as free handed with freedom of speech rights to people who shouldn't be here in the first place, nor anyone who thinks Israel should be wiped out.

Hi mhaze,

'Krystall Ball', yeah what can one say?
She's not someone I watch but I had heard of her before, years ago.
But it doesn't really matter where the story comes from, she's just passing the story along - the question is whether or not there's any truth to it.

I think this is where the story originated.
Grok needs more AI tools, when and where the story and events originated as well as trusted automatic language translations.

http://x.com/AbujomaaGaza/status/2046667480949539262
Eyewitness: Israeli occupation soldiers beat Palestinian hostage, strip off his ass, spray dogs’ sexual incentives on his ass and unleashed a dog to rape him..

Obviously it may be untrue, but it's not like detainees have phones to record whats done to them either, and I think if you take everything else into account, the whole broad range of systemic hate and abuse and lack of concern for human life I've seen from Israelis, as well as what one might also argue as 'a culture of wanting to inflict harm' then it's more likely to be true than unlikely to be true.

Some people like yourself will always cast doubt, deny outright, minimise, make excuses for, claim 'Israel is the victim' or that it was 'Acting in self defense' or trying to reflect criticism by blame others for being anti-Semitic.

Israel shoots kids for sport
http://x.com/OunkaOnX/status/2023691932174537195

On the matter of free speech and who can say what, we are in a grey war, and we shouldn' be giving succour to the enemy.

CM

There's a lot about David Flint in Wikipedia. In his late 80s, he doesn't 'get around much anymore' but his main claim to fame has been the his position of head of the Monarchy movement.

Despite the passing of the Queen, the idiocy King Charles 111 and his admiration for Islam, plus his woke son and next Monarch, he still believes in it.

He believes in it as a bulwark between the plebs and the politicians. But, since Kerr paved the way to get rid of the Fabian, Whitlam I can't think of anything done by GGs after him to protect us from some of the worst politicians to draw breath.

While the present High Court says hate speech is ‘political communication’, in saner times former High Court Justice, Harry Gibbs, found that the state is entitled to prevent from entering Australia people whose culture is unlikely to “integrate readily into society”.

That religious views are the primary source of cultural values is a widely accepted fact. Not all religions adhere to human rights (particularly for women; and minority groups like the alphabetics) nor the rule of law. Some of them don't promote democracy of any kind. The rule of law is absent.

Australian values are based on Christianity. It doesn't matter how or to what extent some Australians have rejected Christianity itself, our values remain Christian-based. Muslim immigrants' lives and values are based on Islam. They have little or no incentive to assimilate, because Islam and Allah are all-encompassing for them - they don't toss their faith aside carelessly like Western Christians are increasingly doing with their religion.

As it is now with the UK, Muslims will soon be demanding separate rights and privileges in line with their religious based values.

With Angus Taylor deciding that religion shouldn't be a bar to immigration, what about the Hindus and Sikhs, and the other religions that are increasing in Australia, while Christianity is decreasing.

With two years to the next election, Albanese can say ‘come on down” to many more hundreds of thousands of diverse religions/cultures.

The only party with a proper immigration policy is One Nation. They might even have a way to deal with delinquent judges.

ttbn with his David Flint extreme right wing reactionary views. The fact is the so called "Activist Judges" they can't tolerate are simply those members of the judiciary charged with the responsibility of upholding the laws and Constitution of Australia, separate from political interference. When decisions are made by knee jerk populist politicians which are outside the Constitution, it is ultimately the responsibility of the High Court to demolish those unconstitutional laws and directives. That is why the separation of powers between the Parliament, the Executive and the Judiciary is so important. Unfortunately, if impartial judicial decisions are not in line with their extreme radical opinions then they brand such judges as "Activists" implying they are motivated by some counter radical opinions of their own, and not the legality of the matter, how untrue.
Just like Harry Gibbs,the archaic opinions of these old reactionaries have been dead for 20 years, thankfully such out of date rubbish they aspire will never see the light of day again in a progressive Australia!

"When decisions are made by knee jerk populist politicians which are outside the Constitution, it is ultimately the responsibility of the High Court to demolish those unconstitutional laws and directives."

In the past Paul1405 has claimed allegiance with the Greens as I understand.

It sounds like Paul1405 is saying that both sides of politics are jerks, that create illegal laws. Maybe that could be true but I don't think that Paul1405's Green Alternative would be better.

Is this Paul1405 saying that populism (and democracy) is wrong? Democracy may be wrong but not for the same reasons as Green Paul1405.

I don't think that the reality of the relationship between Judges and Politicians and Laws is quite the same as what Paul1405 is painting.

Kudos Kid,

Why are you fixated with my opinions? Flattery will get you everywhere.

"In the past Paul1405 has claimed allegiance with the Greens as I understand." I'm yet to see you understand anything. I view myself as a liberal progressive socialists.

"that (politicians) create illegal laws" Obviously they do at times, that's why we have a High Court. p/s The do create so legal laws at times as well.

"Democracy may be wrong" Is that what you think, as an authoritarian you probably would think that way.

I want to spread Pixie Dust all over the Kudos Kid!

Does Christianity teach that its ok to turn a blind eye to sin when Israel does it?
Or are you just as fake as Macdonalds cheese ttbn?

CM,

The more ignorant among us often sneer at ‘populism’ as if it is a bad thing. But:

“Populism is a political approach that champions the "common person," usually by opposing a perceived corrupt or distant elite. It divides society into "the pure people" versus "the elite," often using nationalistic or anti-establishment rhetoric. Common examples include Donald Trump (USA), Brexit, and various European movements. Synonyms include grassroots, democratic (in a broad sense), and popular, often associated with anti-establishment, anti-elitist, and nationalist themes”.

Sounds OK to me, a “common person”

Fascism is populism. Fascism is centred on authoritarian and ultra nationalism, often promoting a violent ideology towards those perceived as disloyal and anti "the common people". It sees variance and difference, as disloyalty counter to the will of "the common people". It aims to destroy corrupt democratic institutions through the will of "the common people". Fascism believes in dividing society into the unjustly treated and disenfranchised "common people" and the controlling "corrupt elite" which are identified by both minorities of difference, and those within established institutions such as the courts, parliament, trade unions, political parties and organisations, religions, universities and schools. Fascism believes the present systems operating in society have been so corrupted by the elite that only a popular peoples revolution can right the terrible injustice, and establish a new order for the good of "the common people".

ttbn, as one of the "common people" do you agree with that? It certainly sounds like what you and a couple of other far right radicals espouse on this forum. Could Fascism be Trumpism and Hansonism by another name?

Another Spectator Australia contributor, Michael de Percy, ex-soldier, academic, member of the Press Gallery, truck driver and blogger, has something to say about activist judges. (‘Is the rule of law fit for purpose?’)

He asks if the law still serves the public interest, or has it been “subtly repurposed to shield those who undermine the very society it was meant to sustain”.

The bipartisan laws put up in NSW were a pragmatic response to public frustration. For years, the public has had routine pro-Palestine protests blocking streets and the bridge and straining police resources.

All for foreign activities occurring thousands of kilometres away that have nothing to do with Australia. We are not involved. Our problem is demonstrators, many of whom might not be Australian citizens.

The Minns government tried to do the right thing, and reacted to public concern; but the law was struck down by unelected, arrogant, activist judges. In the “shadow of terrorism”. And the New South Wales taxpayers could be facing not only the bill for the original legal defence, but also the cost of possible damage claims from those arrested under the now-invalid laws.

There are many instances of activist judges “frustrating the will” of elected representatives and the broader community.

The activist judges have blocked the government from deporting people who have no right to be here; they have caused unwanted criminals to be released from detention and put back on our streets. Curfews were banned. Ankle bracelets were removed.

The system of appointment of judges means that they are insulated from public scrutiny. That's part of the Westminster system which, perhaps, has had its day.

The author goes so far as to suggest that system has been turned into an instrument to advance “particular ideological ends”

He suggests that the system is not merely malfunctioning; its moral premises have been captured, at a time when society has become a “corrosive free-for-all”. It needs rebuilding.

"Fascism believes the present systems operating in society have been so corrupted by the elite that only a popular peoples revolution can right the terrible injustice, and establish a new order for the good of "the common people"."

We could say the same thing, more accurately, about communism and some forms of socialism. We could but Paul wouldn't.

"Fascism is populism."
If you say so! But it'd be interesting to see the level of thought, or lack thereof, that arrived at that conclusion.

Populism is just a term used by some to describe policies they disagree with. The thinking (for want of a better term) goes like this. "I'm smart and I believe in XYZ. But XYZ isn't popular because the people aren't smart. Yet this bloke over here is smart but also doesn't believe in XYZ. So the only explanation is that he must be just saying he doesn't believe it because he wants to be popular."

Hi Trumpster,

If like me, you believe in the political horseshoe theory then you could say Fascism and Communism are more alike than different. Not only did those like you have an Uncle Adolf, they also had an Uncle Joseph as well. Trumpism + Hansonism = Fascism

"Another Spectator Australia contributor, Michael de Percy, ex-soldier, academic, member of the Press Gallery, truck driver and blogger." I hope not all at once, was he that bad he kept getting the sack from one job after another.

Read what I said about Fascism, and then read ttbn's last diatribe, and you will see the similarity.

Anti-Protest Laws Struck Down - Jarrett v NSW
http://youtu.be/7dNiFyeV6Vk

This'll surprise you Paul but I wasn't around at the time to have an Uncle Adolf. And if I was I wouldn't have supported him because I've never supported socialists.

You assert without evidence or even argument that "Fascism is populism." When I point out the absurdity of that, you rapidly seek to change the subject.

Calling something populist is just a way of saying you disagree with it but can't mount an argument as to why its wrong.

Hi Trumpster,

Don't you remember Uncle Adolf, he's only been gone about 80 years. Maybe you were just a little tyke when uncle would pop on over, and bounce you on his knee. The notion that the Nazi's were socialists, because they had the word Socialist in their name has been debunked a million times.

Read what I said about Populism and Fascism, and read the posts of one of the "common people" and you will see the parallels.

BTW Trumpster,

I once thought East Germany was a authoritarian Communist state, run by despots. I was wrong, I applied the "Trumpster Principle" and lo and behold, I discovered it was no such thing. East Germany was actually a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC it was in its name all along, GERMAN DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC.

Did YOU know there is only eight democratic countries in the world, and Australia is not one of them, Shameful!

People’s Democratic Republic of Algeria

Democratic Republic of the Congo

Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste

Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia

Lao People’s Democratic Republic

Democratic People’s Republic of Korea

Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal

Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka

Most of them staged bloody military coups and thankfully now the Generals are running the democracy! Everyone one gets to vote with a bullet! Oh Trumpster, YOU are such good value!

GoogleAI-

Q- Hitler would say that he was socialist without being marxist
A- You’re exactly right. Hitler
frequently made that distinction to redefine "socialism" in a way that served his nationalist and racial goals while distancing himself from the class-based, internationalist ideology of Karl Marx.
In a famous 1923 interview with George Sylvester Viereck, Hitler stated: "Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists."
How Hitler Defined His "Socialism"
Hitler’s version of socialism was built on several points that explicitly rejected Marxist principles:

Race over Class: Marx saw history as a struggle between classes (bourgeoisie vs. proletariat). Hitler replaced this with a struggle between races, arguing that "state and race are one."
Protection of Private Property: While Marxism calls for the abolition of private property, Hitler explicitly stated that his socialism "does not repudiate private property". He believed private ownership was essential for fostering "personality" and individual initiative, provided it served the national interest.
Nationalism over Internationalism: Marxism is inherently internationalist ("Workers of the world, unite!"). Hitler’s "National Socialism" was strictly for the German people, intended to build a racially pure "people’s community" (Volksgemeinschaft).
Ancient Germanic Roots: He claimed socialism was an "ancient Aryan, Germanic institution" and that his party was simply reviving the common-weal traditions of German ancestors rather than following a "Jewish" doctrine like Marxism.

Hi Kudos Kid,

Can't keep a good Fascists down, can we. Now you are channelling the thoughts of the demented lunatic Hitler. What is relevant is the way the so called Populism runs parallel to Fascism. I don't say that all Populists are Fascists, but I do say all Fascists are Populists.

Democracy comes in many shapes and sizes.

In America it doesn't even matter how the people vote.
It's the electoral college vote that decides.

Maybe it's time we simulated a 'perfect democracy'.
Instead of all these different versions, we should refine and foolproof one single version.

Paul1405 said- "Now you are channelling the thoughts of the demented lunatic Hitler." (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=10772#375485)

But earlier Paul1405 said- "Hi Trumpster, Don't you remember Uncle Adolf, he's only been gone about 80 years. Maybe you were just a little tyke when uncle would pop on over, and bounce you on his knee. The notion that the Nazi's were socialists, because they had the word Socialist in their name has been debunked a million times. Read what I said about Populism and Fascism, and read the posts of one of the "common people" and you will see the parallels." (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=10772#375485)

Answer- So it appears that Paul1405 was the one that brought up "Hitler" then claimed "channelling Hitler", when we use AI to respond to his comment. This seemingly makes Paul1405 sound cowardly. But maybe I'm missing something. I expect Paul1405 will double down on perversion.

Also I don't think Hitler considered himself a 'Fascist'. When using terms such as 'Fascist' or any other term it's important to demarcate the definition. What makes 'Fascism' different than other forms of government, is this doctrine or typical practice of Fascism.

Paul1405 seems to be against Fascism, but doesn't seem to define his terms, this sounds more like propaganda than information. Maybe his understanding is greater than mine- but from the research I've done Fascist principles include 1. an armed population, and 2. respect for the natural hierarchical structures of society such as family, local community, state, nation. Maybe something in Italian Fascism via Il Duce, can be defined that highlights Paul1405's issue, but I can't claim to have read anything about him. (Paul1405 has mentioned Il Duce in the past.)

There are other ideologies such as Marxism that don't support 1 and 2 above. Is Paul1405 a Marxist?- he says he isn't, but he seems to keep supporting Marxist principles.

Posted by Armchair Critic
"Maybe it's time we simulated a 'perfect democracy'.
Instead of all these different versions, we should refine and foolproof one single version."

Answer- According to some, democracy is mathematically impossible. Democracy also relies on an educated population to act in their own interest. Democracy is similar to 'the efficient market hypothesis' that Joseph Stiglitz disproved and won the Nobel Prize for Economics

Hi Kudos Kid,

"Also I (KK) don't think Hitler considered himself a Fascist". How would you know, more likely Hitler considered himself a "good bloke". You claim I am a Marxists, do you consider yourself a Fascist? I fail to see a whole lot of difference between Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia. It reinforces my belief in the 'Horseshoe Theory' of politics, more they try to differ, the more they become alike.

"Paul1405 seems to be against Fascism" I'm against subjugation and control through violence, I'm not so sure about YOU.

A QUESTION TO ALL.

Just as a side; At several ANZAC services around Australia this morning, small but vocal groups booed and jeered the Aboriginal person as they delivered the "Welcome To Country". Fortunately the vast majority of the crowd cheered and applauded to show their displeasure at the disgusting behaviour of a few thugs in attendance.
I don't know if YOU, or any other Forum Populists were at any of these services, but if you had been, would YOU be a BOOER or a CHEERER? I certainly would be a CHEERER. Third option is STICK YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH, as part of the "Silent Majority".

"The National Workers Alliance (NWA) is an Australian far-right, ethno-nationalist organisation focused on preserving European culture and identity, anti-immigration stances, and opposing mainstream political and financial structures. Led by Matt Trihey, the group has been identified as a white nationalist organization that conducts rallies, disrupts events, and supports figures such as Ben Roberts-Smith."

This mob were out in force today supporting the alleged war criminal Ben Roberts-Smith. Given their profile of extreme nationalism, supporting white supremacy, mixed with anti-Aboriginal, anti-immigration and opposing liberal progressive views while supporting militarism and Trumpism. One might think some of the regular hard right posters on OLO were fully paid up members of the National Workers Alliance!
Canem Malum, ttbn, mhaze what do you fellas think? Are you in or out!

Is Paul1405 an Aboriginal Ethno-Nationalist? Does Paul1405 believe in preserving Aboriginal identity and culture? Paul1405 may be a Stazi Nazi in his own horseshoe ring theory prehensilia. Nothing wrong with preserving your own identity in your own territory- I want to preserve mine too.

There is 1. identity and there is 2. Anti-Nationalist anti-localist Globalism- choose one.

Paul1405 sounds similar to Woke Marxist's in that he doesn't seem to see the contradictions in his theory. In a sense all theories have contradictions, but this is something different.

Paul1405 quoted- "The National Workers Alliance (NWA) is an Australian far-right, ethno-nationalist organisation focused on preserving European culture and identity, anti-immigration stances, and opposing mainstream political and financial structures. Led by Matt Trihey, the group has been identified as a white nationalist organization that conducts rallies, disrupts events, and supports figures such as Ben Roberts-Smith."

Answer- If Paul1405 said "good day" I'd check outside first.

The National Workers Alliance (NWA) seems to be a similar organisation to March For Australia (MfA). They are both Traditionalist organisations that believe in preserving traditional white identity that founded the nation of Australia, hailed worldwide as an example for green fields nation building.

There have been multiple attempts to destroy white Australia, National Workers Alliance is trying to be part of the solution.

https://workers.org.au/mission/preserve-western-culture-and-identity/

"Preserve Western Culture and Identity

Western Countries have been demoralised for decades and taught to believe that their Culture, Identity and History are not a source of pride.

People of European Ancestry built the most successful and desired societies in history.

The National Workers Alliance acknowledge the sacrifice and ethic that built the Australian Nation and expect the education system to teach children the accomplishments of Western Civilisation.

‘The society that loses its grip on the past is in danger, for it produces men who know nothing but the present, and who are not aware that life had been, and could be, different from what it is. Such men bear tyranny easily as they have nothing with which to compare it’.

– Aristotle"

Kudos Kid,

From your gobbledegook answer, you're "IN", take a seat between Matthew Gruter and Joel Davis.

Is Paul1405 an Aboriginal Ethno-Nationalist? Whatever that is.
Does Paul1405 believe in preserving Aboriginal identity and culture? Yes.

Hi again Kudos Kid

I take it from your post, that not only do you support these extremist organisations radical ideas, but you also support their violent behaviour as well. Hummmm?

p/s Are you a paid up member of one or all?

From AI with some corrections to the algorithm some in brackets...

"You're right that Hitler and many early Nazi leaders rejected the label "Fascist" for themselves, preferring "National Socialist" (Nationalsozialismus) and presenting Nazism as a distinct ideology. Historians, however, commonly compare and group Nazism with Italian Fascism because they shared core traits: ... single-party rule (all politicians are liars, a single party system prevents bad faith politicians and addresses issues with adversarial rather than a cooperative approach), ... nationalism (local identity and agency), militarism (an armed population), suppression of dissent (to prevent subversion of the people), cults of leadership (there are cults of leadership everywhere), anti-liberalism (see Patrick Deneen on the death of liberalism), and use of mass propaganda (mass propaganda is everywhere, but if you explain the what and why the people be with you)... Those structural and functional similarities are why scholars often treat Nazism as part of the broader family of interwar fascist movements, even though Nazism also had unique features—most notably its central racial (identity) doctrine ... "

I don't have a problem with Historian's analyzing Hitler, but at least I'd like to think that their analysis made sense, and views were balanced based on the cross section of the context. And AI is included in that.

How would you compare Aboriginal Nationalist's with Anglo-Nationalist's, what criteria would you use? And what would that mean? And is Paul1405 right or left of "Aboriginal Stalin Hitler"?

And where would Cole Allen and all his Socialist and MoveOn buddies sit?

If you want to know what Joel Davis believes from a first hand account, original source, as everyone deserves 'a fair trial in the court of Paul1405', I haven't read them all, but try the following links...

http://katana17.com/2024/05/27/joel-davis-the-white-australia-policy-with-matthew-grant-jul-27-2023-transcript/
http://katana17.com/2024/05/21/joel-davis-on-australian-nationalism-with-matthew-grant-dec-17-2022-transcript/
http://katana17.com/2025/09/08/joel-davis-reflections-on-the-march-for-australia-sep-7-2025-transcript/

Sorry GY if a fair trial is a little controversial for Google.

Hi Kudos Kid,

Why do you feel you need to defend a scum bag?

Neo-Nazi Joel Davis has been granted bail at the fourth attempt.
Mr Davis, 30, was charged in November last year after allegedly asking Telegram users to "rhetorically rape" federal MP Allegra Spender
Mr Davis had "time to reflect" on how he expresses his views while in jail, the court heard.

As for; And where would Cole Allen and all his Socialist and MoveOn buddies sit?

Of no interest to me, Is he the bloke who was out to do harm to Trump & co, at some Washington dinner.

I deplore all violence, maybe he was out to do what Trump did to the Iranian leadership. Wack jobs!

Hi Kudos Kid and others,

Are these the kind of people YOU support to keep Australia White?

"Police have raided the Perth home of a man where Neo-Nazi flags were prominently displayed.
The man's father, who lives with him, has been described as a white supremacist who was unfit to have access to guns.
Another man has been charged with 10 counts of making or possession explosives as part of the same operation.
Western Australian Police have seized guns and ammunition from the Perth man whose father, lives with him, they have been described as Neo-Nazi's, and unfit to have access to firearms."

Recently the Kudos Kid posted something about Australian's should have the right to bear arms. Maybe these are the kind of people he thinks should be carrying guns!

How about some kind of OLO award for anyone who can get a sensible , coherent reply relevant to a thread from Paul1405 ?

Judges admit that they make things up.

They tell us that we plebs cannot see or read these clauses that “enable” them to overturn the decisions of our elected representatives because they are "not spelt out but ‘implied’”. Like fairground fortune tellers, only they have a crystal ball. These bastards not only make things up, but they treat us like idiots. They also treat the people we vote for as idiots, which they certainly are for appointing the activist judges, then making them unsackable. One wonders what corruption and shenanigans occur during the process.

Like any servant, judges should be sackable if they don't do their jobs properly - which they do not, not just in the assumption of their own godlike qualities, but in the pathetically weak sentences they hand out to criminals. Perhaps they identify with criminals more than they do with victims.

Judges should be elected (they want to act like politicians) and serve for a short time only if they are not up to scratch: just like real politicians.

These judges are actually declaring null and void laws made by elected politicians on behalf of the people because they are contrary to a clause in the Constitution that no one can see.

Indyvidual

If you want common sense answers, you need to stop feeding trolls. By responding to their stupid, nasty comments, you are only encouraging them. There is absolutely no reason to even read their crap, which is just a bait. They crave attention. They add nothing. It's all about them.

Up to you of course, but I have recently decided not to even glance at the rubbish the two leading trolls screech out. They are misfits and misanthropes with personal problems that they are not going to solve by spewing bile at people they don't know.

If trolls are ignored they just fade away.

I bet the pro-Israel lot won't have anything to say about Australians kidnapped, held hostage and bashed on the high seas 600 miles east of Israel borders by IDF.

The IDF Kidnapped and Assaulted an Australian Citizen in International Waters
http://youtu.be/7bYceSRlxp4

Hi AC, Thanks for the clip,

Absolutely disgusting behaviour from the Zionist regime, and to think the Australian government and large private companies here are complicit in supporting the Zionist genocide.

Make him work & live in Lakemba & under their rules !

Indyvidual,

Thinktank the Australia Institute, estimated that online trolling cost the economy $3.7 billion in health care and lost income.

Trolls suffer from psychopathy (lack of empathy, remorse or conscience; they are manipulative, impulsive and antisocial) and sadism (we all know what that is).

Troll's power lies in the reactions they cause - hence: ‘don't feed the trolls’. They seek to provoke, upset and harm others.

The study found that people with high self-esteem troll, which was unexpected, because low self-esteem has predicated other antisocial behaviour such as cyberbullying.

The more trolls troll, the better they feel about themselves. Showing them that you are upset only reinforces their behaviour - they have no humanity, no conscience. They are callous. They enjoy hurting people. Don't feed them thinking that they will feel guilty, or that you will ‘win them over’.

The IDF has intercepted another antisemitic, Israel-hating ‘flotilla’ on its way to Gaza, supposedly delivering aid when aid can be delivered legally by the Board of Peace, with Israel's blessing. Six Australians were among the motley crew/passengers; one of whom was still gibbering the lie about “deliberately starved children”. That is someone called Subhi Awad, described as representing Australians, was doing the gibbering. Who knows who is Australian or not Australian in multicultural Australia!

Our Communist Green leader and, apparently an international law expert, has declared Israel's interception and alleged detainment of the activists as a “shocking breach of international law”.

Not for the first time Israel has boarded these boats, very little in the way of aid to Gazans was found, the main items being condoms and drugs for the use of useful idiots for terrorism conned into to taking a sex, drugs and rock n roll cruise because they have nothing better to do with their useless lives.

I just read this article,
I'm almost tempted to start a thread focusing on this article and taking it apart piece by piece.

Royal commission into antisemitism told of 'real-world consequences of hatred'
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-04/bondi-antisemitism-social-cohesion-royal-commission/106637702

>>Former high court judge Virginia Bell SC earlier delivered her opening remarks in her capacity as royal commissioner.

"The sharp spike … that we've witnessed in Australia has been mirrored in other Western countries and seems clearly linked to events in the Middle East," Commissioner Bell said.<<

Didn't I tell you all it was 'BLOWBACK' the day after it happened?

So all these people all over the world, just happen to be critical of Israel - just after we see Israel blowing up apartment buildings murdering women, kids, babies, journalists, medical staff etc..

And they are trying to classify this criticism and resentment as 'hate for no reason at all'
Instead of 'normal people all over the world standing against something they find vile, disgusting and absolutely unconscionable'

In that article there's a photo 'Proud to be Jewish'
[Messages of support for Israel and the Jewish community were written in chalk on the footpath next to Princes Park in Caulfield South following a clash in November 2023]

Do you know how the so-called 'anti-Semites' see that chalk drawing?

We read that is 'Proud to be a racist genocidal hate filled terrorist state that crosses every single line normal people find abhorrent'

If they don't wish to cop the shite from whats happening in the M/E it's simple, just denounce it.

Say we're ashamed to be Jews at this point in history.
WE DO NOT SUPPORT the attacks on innocent women and kids, we do not support ethnic cleansing and land theft, we disassociate ourselves from the culture of rape, murder, hatred and oppression.

Hey ttbn,
It's you that feeds the trolls...
I told you I have a war on stupid, stop saying stupid things then and I wont have anything to react to.

"Our Communist Green leader and, apparently an international law expert, has declared Israel's interception and alleged detainment of the activists as a “shocking breach of international law”.

They illegally boarded vessels 600 miles east of Israel.
That's no different in principle to Somali pirates.
And they detained and assaulted people on board, including Australians

Obviously you are more loyal to Israel than Australia, which is probably why you cop the shite you do.

You're a traitor and embarrasment, to the segment of the country that don't wish to kneel and suck foreign penis.

We’re colouring the world blue
http://x.com/TruthFairy131/status/2028260669657841959

Some people care more about colouring the world blue than recognising we already have colours, green and gold mate.