Angus Taylor launched in part, the new Liberal Party policy on immigration. The policy is based on a vague concept of "Australian Values". According to Taylor a values test would be added as a legally binding requirement in the Migration Act, and be a visa condition, a breach of which could result in visa cancellation and the "booting out of Australia". Given all the visa requirements and ministerial powers in place now, is it necessary? The policy appears to be an attempt to win back dissatisfied Liberal voters from One Nation.

Yeah, the last thing we want to do is bring in people who are going to live by our values!!

So what are 'Australian values'?

And when some fool says 'supporting Israel'
I'll point out that 'supporting Israel is not a value'
- That's loyalty to a foreign power.
And ask 'What values does Israel represent that you support?'

Values.

Any takers?
Do we have any hands?
Does no-one wish to be that fool?

C'mon there's got to be at least one here!

Don't be scared of your 'Australian values'

"And when some fool says 'supporting Israel''

There's only one fool saying that AC. Check the mirror.

Hi Trumpster,

I'm not sure exactly what the new Liberal party's Australian values statement entails, considering there's already a legally binding values statement within the visa application process. Here is what the applicant commits to;

* respect for the freedom and dignity of the individual;

* freedom of religion (including the freedom not to follow a particular religion), freedom of speech, and freedom of association;

* commitment to the rule of law, which means that all people are subject to the law and should obey it;

* parliamentary democracy whereby our laws are determined by parliaments elected by the people, those laws being paramount and overriding any other inconsistent religious or secular “laws”;

* equality of opportunity for all people, regardless of their gender, sexual orientation, age, disability, race, or national or ethnic origin;

* a ‘fair go’ for all that embraces:

* mutual respect;

* tolerance;

* compassion for those in need;

* equality of opportunity for all;

* the English language as the national language, and as an important unifying element of Australian society.

Is there anything you disagree with in the statement as it stands, or would like deleted or added? Or is it just dog whistling to those voters deserting the Noalition for One Nation.

I think that at least Angas Taylor is doing better than Sussan Ley in trying to correct the paradoxes within the Liberal Party. It still probably isn't enough. One major problem with the Liberal Party Constitution is that it doesn't allow members to explicitly support the founding people of Australia without being banned from the Liberal party like Pauline Hanson was so many years ago. The reason that the voters are not supporting the Liberal party is for the same reason that Hanson was ejected. Even today Hanson wouldn't pass the "character test" for the Liberal Party. But what political party wouldn't allow the founding people and identity (including genetic identity) of the nation the right to exist. Every people has a right to protect their identity as they see it, (there are different levels of impact on identity)(hopefully they don't infringe on others identities when they do it), a nation is critical to this, so every culture needs their own nation.

Also I'm still not convinced that the dominant Libertarian faction is willing to give up power, or change their perspective, to maintain electability. The Liberal party needs to bring in more Traditionalist's that are more in line with the electorate.

Kudos Kid,

That's right, the majority of the Liberal Party do not support your white supremacy ideas, or your belief in apartheid. Other that the 'Half-A-Percent Club', which you are a member, the vast majority of Australians don't want your National Socialism as well. You refer to so called "Traditionalists", which is nothing more than a guise for you and others from the radical right of politics.

Both Labor and the Coalition - the uniparty - are unable to identify ‘radical Islam’ as the main cause of the denigration of Australian values. Both of them are too gutless to confront and deal with the haters they both let into Australia.

All Taylor has done is pinch One Nation's immigration policy (enunciated regularly over the past 30 years), and we know he wouldn't be allowed to carry out his ‘promise’ to put it into effect in the unlikely event that he will ever be Prime Minister. The unelected, faceless hierarchy of the Liberal Party, interested only in copying Labor enough to get the Liberals elected, would not allow him to do it. Nor would the elected wets support it.

The Liberal Party is just a rattling skeleton of what it once was.

Even in the better days of the party, Senator John Stone was the only politician to say, up front, there should be no Muslim immigration to this country. Now there are close to a million of them, and 18,000 needing close watching by ASIO.

Fortunately, I and many other Australians who don't need votes and don't give a stuff about being called racists, will vote accordingly - for the party that Taylor has pinched his never-to-be-realised policy from - and hope to see at least a pause on ALL immigration, then only choosing people who share Judeo-Christian values, are skilled, and Anglo/European. I would not be the least embarrassed by a return to the White Australia Policy, either - ironically the creation of a Labor government with union support.

I asked a left faction Labor party person some time ago their definition of a Nazi, because they seemed to have inconsistencies in what I thought would be their position. They said that a Nazi was someone who was against feminism, gay rights, and multiculturalism. I replied by saying that I thought the left would consider a Nazi someone who supported killing six million Jews. They said that was 'a far extreme Nazi'.

This seems like an interesting and amusing re-factoring of the term Nazi, and it seems that Nazi can come in bad and worse types, according to the Labor party.

Of course the Labor party left faction wouldn't want to talk about the evils of Marxism. Most seemingly revert to the old trope 'Marxism has never actually been tried, because all Marxist regimes weren't real Marxism'. Bill Shorten was considered as a leader in the unity (right) faction of the Labor party, but Shorten was perhaps far from right wing in ideology even within the diaspora of Labor members.

Of course BA Santa Maria and the Catholic Workers Movement was talking about Marxism in the Labor movement from the 1950's, infiltrating the Working Men's Clubs and such.

Romantic Labor (rusted on Labor) supporters seem to believe similar things as the Anti-'Uncle Tom' Afro-American's (never betray a black to help the white man).

I believe that Australia will never function, if rusted on Labor see production as the enemy, and still vote Labor when Labor doesn't vote for them- but vote for weird ideas out of touch with their naively loyal base. Rusted on Labor need to vote for their own families as their parents and grandparents did.

The Labor movement has left their supporters, their supporters need to leave the Labor movement in support of the principles that their grandparents supported.

At this point staying loyal to the Labor movement is a betrayal to the original point of the Labor movement- Labor families.

Yes ttbn, it was Simon Crean that changed the Labor party union voting rights, that changed Labor's union nature, for a lurch to even more Marxism. A similar process 'Marxification' has seemingly occurred in the ABC and main stream media (MSM) with traditional media decline (universities also seem to have gone through this process too).

Crean was only leader for a very short time, but he had a large impact. In a sense it seemed a reasonable thing to do given some of the extremes of union's and the declining union membership at the time. Strangely it resulted in going from the fry pan into the fire.

So the Labor movement went from being a movement that had Chinese walls, due to it's industry based structure, to a less industry defined mass movement more similar to universal managerial nihilistic Trotskyite Marxism

Darryl Mather, ‘The Ignorant Aussie’, Spectator, 16/4/26, points out that Australian politicians treat us as a “rabble” to be managed rather than citizens to be represented, aided by a large swathe of (ignorant) Australians, politically "unengaged” to the extent that that they are unaware that they are “voting for their cultural demise”.

Oh something new 'culture'
What is Australian culture?

Hi Kudos Kid,

You are forever inventing these new wacky ideas, now its "MARXIFICATION", what on earth is that, you claim its happened to the ABC and MSM, plus its got the Universities as well. Is this not simply more of your "reds under the beds" paranoia, it would seem so. If anyone is a danger to Australia and its values, its red neck wackos like yourself.

Some people are so off the planet, they're orbiting somewhere to the far right of Pluto! You can add the Old Fart to that list as well with his, "I would not be the least embarrassed by a return to the White Australia Policy". I do believe, Arthur Calwell is alive and well, living somewhere south of the Simpson Desert!

The present laws should be sufficient.
If they are properly applied.
No cultural, racial, or religious 'law' can override parliamentary law.
People can still practice their culture or whatever, provided they don't break the law.
Our laws come first.
Many don't appreciate that.
Time for them to wake up.

Angas Taylor is saying that identity is important. Nietzsche said that 'excellence and equality' are opposing dichotomies. All societies need excellence to survive. Those that promote absolute equality are traitors or foreign destroyers. Excellence defines identity.

Hi Ipso Fatso,

The present visa conditions protect Australia from undesirables and criminals. The Liberals are paranoid about a sudden surge in popularity by One Nation. What was put out as policy was nothing more than dog whistling to the extreme. I was discussed, as were many true liberals, at the way Taylor tried to stigmatise the small cohort of refugees from Gaza, I think there were 1300 who made their way to Australia from that hell hole. The truth is those people were vetted 3 or 4 times before being granted visas, and there was Taylor scapegoating poor unfortunate people as "terrorists" for his own political purposes.