Following the dumping on Sussan Ley MP Liberal Leader of the Opposition, we see Angus Taylor MP in place in a nice suit and tie and a woman standing next to him as a deputy. What else though do the Liberal party have to offer at a federal level?

Personally I don't know. I'm not sure. A lot of guff about Australian values and immigration, but not much more at this stage. Meanwhile the One Nation vote and support for Pauline Hanson is on the rise and moderates are going to Labor and Anthony Albanese.

Pauline Hanson has come out strongly saying Angus Taylor is nothing more than the same dead horse. In some ways I tend to agree. Lots of slogans and not a lot of policy or substance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrJ9uqA0MfA

Angus Taylor has also selected all of his favourites in terms of cabinet appointments. This may also be a problem. Regardless of what I might think, do you think the Liberal Party can survive? Is it too late for them? Can they win the next federal election? What do you think they need to do to improve in the polls and increase their vote - particularly with a by election coming up?

Winning the next election will be the Liberals Melbourne Cup.

Winning next election?
Possible — but requires:
1. Clear economic narrative
2. Unified leadership
3. Winning back suburban mortgage voters
4. Avoiding permanent urban collapse. ( good luck on that one).

Voters will return from ON as they always do. The cracks are appearing in PH’s pearch when she makes idiotic gaffs in her usual manner; here’s the lates in her attempt to broaden her base; praising good Muslims…and how does anybody achieve this impossible task of identifying good Muslims from radical Islamists, when all Muslims are Islamists.

She’s just pulled the plug out of her reservoir of panicking supporters.

Liberals will do well to keep quiet on the issue of good and bad Muslims, we’re not stupid out here in never land.
On immigration, Muslims are the major problem left right and centre!

You will have to wait for an election to get answers. There are not enough people here to speak for over 18 million voters.

If Taylor keeps talking, as he has started to do on immigration, rather than ‘listening’ (to gawd knows whom) like Lazy Sussan, the Liberals could very well regain votes they have lost that they would never have retrieved under LS, probably the worst opposition leader ever.

Taylor's Deputy Hume is no shrinking violent, and has been telling some home truths about the party recently. The shadow cabinet is OK. But, the wets - about one third of the party if the leadership vote is anything to go by - are still there. They haven't risked their lucrative careers to switch to their true place, Green Labor. They want to hang onto their well paid jobs and perks, and staying in opposition still provides them with a good job, even if they don't like the only party they could be elected to. Think Malcolm Turnbull as the stand out example of that disloyalty to party and voters.

But, the well-past-due-date Albanese, might start packing the proverbials and steal some of the Liberals’ policies over the next couple of years. Most Australians would be happy with that.

Polls, the media, dooming the Liberals and calling One Nation the new Opposition is all very well; but a lot can happen between now and 7 August 2027(earliest) or 20 May 2028.

I think that answer to your questions has to be, ‘don't know’.

The ISIS brides are part of the cohort that Taylor says must have the door closed to them, while Albanese just says that they they 'are not helping them'.

However, immigrant minister Burke's "good friend", Dr. Jemal Rifi, local GP, is currently in Syria trying to get the women and children - including 3 teenagers - back to Australia.

Rifi is the bloke Burke had a secret chat with after he turfed Home Affairs officials out of a meeting.

When words like "dumping" are used it is clear that the author is not interested in the wider picture only in stirring headlines.

If all that is required to win an election is a 3 ring circus, then the Noalition should be a shoo-in. Angus Taylor's performance in Parliament in opposition has been rather ordinary to say the least. Liberal policy is all smoke and mirrors, with a collection of thought bubbles thrown in, it lacks any real substance. At the last election Taylor was spruiking higher taxes and bigger deficits, hardly an attractive pitch to voters. I doubt Taylor will make it to the next election, Donald light in the form of Andrew Hastie is still sharpening the knife.

Taylor's old boss Malcolm Turnbull summed him up as; "The best qualified idiot people have met".

"Do you think the Liberal Party can survive?" Not in its present state. For the party of 'Pig Iron' Bob, the carnival has moved on, its lacking relevance to younger voters, as the old conservative mob fall off the perch, they are replaced by younger city voters, who don't vote Liberal.

"Can they (the Coalition) win the next federal election?" Even if they were running on all fours, that would be most unlikely, but since they're broken down on the side of the road, their chances of winning the election race are between nil and nought!

Conservative Professor David Flint has advised conservative voters to give their first preference to One Nation.

Despite the new leadership, the Liberal Party has been “tainted by a Labor-lite philosophy. There has been a “systematic dismissal of the rank-and-file membership by a class of apparatchiks who control the party machine”. These people are similar to the professional functionaries of the Soviet Communist Party who viewed themselves as the “masters, not the servants, of the people”. They disdain the grass roots of the party, and treat them as “a liability to be managed”.

Flint reminds us that the party's founder, Sir Robert Menzies, was so horrified with the party's drift away from its foundational beliefs, he voted for the DLP in his retirement.

If voters follow that advice, the Liberal Party could very well be kaput after the next election.

When all else fails wheel out the "communist bogy" and here we have ttbn right on cue making reference to another irrelevant old fart Flint(stone) who invokes the unseen red scare within the Liberal party. I freely admit I am a supporter of the progressive side of politics, but really its bad enough when the unhinged on the forum claim the Labor party are all communists, but saying the Liberal party is likewise, is absurd nonsense that defies reality.

If all you have is The Lovely Pauline and Barnyard Joy to offer the electorate, I'd be invoking the ghost of 'Pig Iron' Bob as well. ttbn wake up, the majority of voters have never heard of 'Pig Iron' Bob or the DLP, and are not the least bit interested in your 1950's style politics.

It appears that we will be able to predict the recovery or ruin of the Liberal Party sooner than later.

Taylor is stuttering that he wasn't aware of the Ley immigration policy in a way that suggests he is not uncomfortable with it.

The shadow immigration minister, Scarr, says he doesn't agree with the plan to close the door - another wet in the one of the most important portfolios.

We won't know the fate of the Liberal Party until the voters decided at the next election, but I would now guess that there is a 60:40 chance that the Liberal Party, like the Conservatives in the UK, will be replaced as the official opposition.

'Close the door' should read close the door on certain countries and regions of the world.

The big thing that the Liberals should stop doing is taking notice of their enemies, as in leftist mouthpieces in the lamestream media shouting that he must not embrace any “Trumpist” policies. A bit stupid, when Trump has boosted the US economy and everything else, while Albanese has driven the Australian economy and everything else into the ground.

While we might not like Trump's personality, at least he has one, and he is a boon for Americans, while Albanese is a lead weight around our necks.

The lamestream media and the Australian Marxists, including at least a third of Liberal politicians, want Taylor to be more like Albanese than Trump.

Taylor has made his first big mistake by saying that proposed immigration bans are not about race or religion. Of course they bloody are! We should be strongly discriminating in our immigration policy for the sake of our values - and our lives. You don't have to be a Jew to be hated by too many of the immigrants the uniparty has been colonising us with for years.

There are 18,000 of these creatures on ASIO'S watch list already!

While our gutless political class is s..t frightened of a minority voters of the wrong fit for Australia (anything for votes from anyone, good or bad), Trump has already banned people from 75 regions of the world.

Until Taylor can do without his trainer wheels, Trump is the one he should be emulating.

Opposition Leader, Angus Taylor has declared fossil fuels will “absolutely” form part of the Coalition’s energy mix.

Conservatives are keen to see Angus Taylor succeed.

Spectator Australia editor Rowan Dean rightly says, “A decade of anti-conservative government has been a disaster for this country, and as more and more Australians are daily realising, time is running out”.

‘Time is running out’. Sorry, but for Australia, too much damage has already been done. Time has already run out. Multiculturalism. Mass immigration of alien cultures. Muslim immigration. Violence and crime going unpunished. Lack of interest in defence. Too close to Communist China. Too many insults to America and its President. The climate scam. Unaffordable energy. Government (including Taylor's party) censorship. Loss of industry. Economic incompetence. The list goes on.

The pathetic performance of a faux conservative rabble from Turnbull and Morrison, and even worse leaders in opposition, Dutton and Ley, opened the way “for the most inept, ideological and disingenuous Labor government in the nation’s history”.

Mine might be a minority opinion, but I don't think anyone in our truly awful political class is capable of saving us. Australia is rooted, just like the rest of the suicidal West that thinks bringing in non-Westerners to their countries is not the lunacy that it is.

Tim Wilson has been described by economist Adam Creighton as “burst(ing) out of the starting blocks as Liberal shadow treasurer with a brave and accurate analysis of one major source of Australia’s economic malaise”.

Another sign that we might see an improvement in the new look party.

The Ley Liberals were reluctant to talk about the cutting of the top income tax rate, which is crippling the economy. Even Paul Keating described it as “confiscatory”.

Now, while the top rate is of no concern to most of us, and a delight to the tax-the-rich mob, it's the money of the rich that gets spent and invested that keeps things going.

As economist Creighton points out, the 47% rate “pushes up house prices by drawing ever more investment into housing, raises little revenue and throttles immigration of genuinely high-skilled workers from the US, which attracts the lion’s share of the world’s best and brightest”.

We need a suitably qualified Treasury, not a financially-illiterate one like Dim Chalmers who has no financial qualifications whatsoever.

Search here: “Tim Wilson cuts to the chase on ‘punitive’ top tax rate” to find out why the Albanese government has no business running the economy.

Anyone who thinks the 3 ring circus, masquerading as the Noalition could do a better job than the Labor government, must have rocks in their head, well I think he does, after all he is a Hansonite! Wheel out some toady from the far right Murdoch gutter press, and of course he's going to criticise the Labor government, that's what the American Murdoch pays Creighton to do.

Tony Abbott describes the move away from the Liberals as “ongoing conservative grumpiness”; and says voters should give the party a chance to “remain Howard's proverbial ‘broad church’”.

The “broad church” means there are about a third of the party who are wet lefties who have moved out of the church into the churchyard.

If Taylor and conservatives listen to hasbeens like Abbott and Howard, it is definitely all over for them. Abbott should know better after the Liberal left shafted him, as they will probably shaft Taylor. His comment that Labor's skulduggery, or plain incompetence if we are kind or naive, makes “the Liberal-National Coalition Australia’s the only realistic hope for better government any time soon” a joke, when voters are leaving them in droves. The Liberals have been shite since Howard lost his own seat, and Turnbull and Morrison drove it into the ground then put a middle-aged schoolgirl in charge.

Abbott himself thinks we have forgotten his own broken promise to repeal 18c, because he lost his nerve, or he couldn't control the “broad church”.

No. The Liberal Party is cactus, and only the people who made it so don't get it.

Abbott finds it hard to “see One Nation as a credible alternative government”. OK. It might not be. But that means continuing Marxist Labor, because the Liberals have been a lost cause for too long for an electorate who last time gave the worst government ever 97 or so seats to change their minds.

Abbott also disagrees that Australians have become less conservative since 2013 (Paul Kelly). Like hell they haven't. They love the Socialist handouts. That's why the party he is obviously out of touch with have been trying to emulate Labor for a decade. Australians are a left-wing, antisemitic, multicultural mess, shown by the polls to still favour Socialism. Pauline Hanson's upfront honesty will lose to Albanese's lies and bribes when push comes to shove.

ttbn,

At one time you were a forum toady for Abbott, now you want to bucket on the poor bastard. If anyone is going to oust Taylor it will be the far right populist Hastie.

BTW; are you backing Corny Banana in the upcoming election. Looks like Labor are going to wipe the floor with all those right wing loonies.

Kudos ttbn. It appears Susan Ley governed by concensus rather than by leading with ideas. Angus Taylor seems better but he's still disabled by the dominant libertarian's within the party, and the Liberals racist (anti-racist) constitution that doesn't allow him to favour the founding culture of Australia. Someone said 'I treat my children the same by treating them different'. I believe the same is true of cultures- we need a government that is biased in favour of the founding culture of Australia- a true government of a people, by a people, for a people. All cultures need their own institutions, their own police,their own government- our political class has betrayed us, and will be convicted as traitors by us, or we will die. Either a culture defends itself or commits suicide like a coward- it's that simple.

The Liberal Party (libertarian's) are unable to acknowledge the problem so they can't find a solution. They don't even seem to have the language to describe the problem in terms of something approaching Political Philosophy.

If the public understood the political landscape better, and had a language to define it, they would be able to act more in their own self interest.

Marxism destroys all cultures. Women need to work with men rather than becoming traitors to their own people and supporting Marxist Feminism.

We can't draw a line at WWII and say that everything that came before was wrong. There are thousands of years of precedent which needs to be considered.

At the last election the student loans seemed to have a big impact on the result. This is a tactic that the Labor party can pull again next time because the theoretical enlightenment of universities isn't the reality. Students seem to have proven they are the same spoiled muck throwing vermin as the rest of us. The army teaches how to live under a simple piece of plastic, and to have all of the advantages of a modern society, through a sandbox of radical self sufficiency, and focused through discipline into a powerful organisation. In Roman times city folk had additional training to bring them up to the standard of the farm youth, rather than pulling the empire down. Perhaps women could also have additional training in self sufficiency and discipline- or are they too gutless? Maybe women would benefit from living under a piece of plastic for a while, if they aspire to run the world.

The Liberal party has a small minority of 'Conservatives' (or Traditionalist's) in my view- as a group they don't conserve anything- they are better described as Libertarian's. Any Traditional Conservatives within the party are ruled and imprisoned by the Liberal party constitution. Libertarian's can't move beyond simple Ayn Rand- Atlas Shrugged philosophy to a more sophisticated system. Now at the end of the Liberal party, Traditionalist Conservatives have a very narrow choice, that makes it simple for those still able to think for themselves. PHON has to bring in more expertise, but shouldn't let the expertise drive the party. PHON needs to ask the same question that others have had to- "How does an organisation function and grow in a low trust or high betrayal environment?" It's perhaps a combination ideological/ cultural coherence and operational security.

Kudos Kid,

"muck throwing vermin" Aptly describing yourself, okay I'll accept that.

The Liberal Party are mostly Libertarian's also known as Free Traders. They believe that all problems can be solved with money. But what they don't realise, or they refuse to acknowledge, because it isn't in their interest, is that once you sell some things, it costs much more to get them back. But they are slightly better than the ALP Labor Party. As the American Indian's say- when you kill all the buffalo, cut down all the trees, pollute the rivers- you can't eat money! But money is important, it's just not all important. The Liberal's are seemingly traitors (Free Traders/ Free Traitors).

Paul1405 and his Aboriginal friends will be gone soon perhaps, because he can't do anything but complain about white people. Keep it up Paul1405 if you feel it serves you.

Maybe Paul1405 has gone full monty Marxist- red neck scarf and raised left fist, supporting Mao in his glory, the contingent of dedicated loyal virgins, in the service of a better more equitable world. Maybe he doesn't care about the Aboriginal's creating a real self sufficient modern community at all- and has betrayed them to the Marxist meat grinder.

If every culture had their own nations we wouldn't need DEI or Marxism. Ideological solutions in search of a problem that would justify their existence.

White people have sadly also allowed ourselves to be divided by our enemies. We need to stop this nihilism.

Just when you might think the Noalition could not become even more irrelevant, then you hear something even more ridiculous. Seems the Liberals were toying with the idea of installing Josh Friedbrain as leader, should they not be able to find a big enough fool in house to replace Ditzy Ley, ultimately they found Fungus Taylor, he's a bit of a mushroom. Back to Josh, the "treasurer" who gave up rampant 8% inflation and a trillion dollars of debt, the voters of Kooyong rewarded Josh at the 2022 election, by presenting him with the Royal Order Of The Boot, ideal candidate, without a seat in parliament.

The Liberal parties review of its disastrous performance, and result at the 2025 election is to be suppressed. The report heaps blame not only on Dud Dutton, who is threatening to sue if the report is made public, for his part in the wipe out, but it also has plenty to say about the total incompetent Angus Taylor, now the new head honcho in the La La Land party. If the Liberals are not willing to fess up to being the total dills they are, why would anyone vote for them?