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Running of to Grok every time you find yourself in a corner isn't a good look. Validation from an algorithm is just comfort food.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 25 January 2026 10:31:45 AM
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What was the corner I was in, mhaze?
I'll wait. Posted by John Daysh, Sunday, 25 January 2026 10:52:28 AM
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Silence...
Incidentally, mhaze, that's some algorithm! 1. Declining Death Rates from Natural Disasters ... Assessment: John Daysh is correct ... mhaze conflates mortality trends with hazard trends, which is a common misinterpretation in skeptical arguments but not supported by the science. 2. Retracted 2024 Paper on Economic Impacts ... Assessment: John Daysh is correct ... mhaze treats this as a "gotcha" moment for the entire field, ignoring that climate economics is built on ensembles of models and data, not isolated papers. Media bias in covering retractions is real but irrelevant to the science. 3. Ocean Temperatures and Long-Term Cooling Trend (Clark et al. 2025) ... Assessment: John Daysh is correct ... mhaze misuses the paper by collapsing timescales—millions of years (slow orbital/tectonic forcings) vs. centuries (fast GHG forcing). On corals: Evolutionary history (e.g., in warmer Paleogene) doesn't equate to modern reef vulnerability; rate-of-change studies (e.g., Hoegh-Guldberg et al. 2017) show bleaching thresholds being exceeded due to rapid shifts. 4. Holocene Temperatures and Rates of Change (Marcott et al. 2013) ... Assessment: John Daysh is correct ... mhaze inverts this: "Can't resolve" becomes "must be normal," which Marcott doesn't claim. Neukom et al. (2019, in Nature) uses higher-res data (e.g., PAGES 2k network) to show no pre-industrial warming episodes match the current rate/spatial coherence. Claims of "debunking" come from skeptic blogs (e.g., Climate Audit), not peer-reviewed literature—issues like hemispheric bias were addressed in follow-ups (e.g., Neukom 2022 clarifications). Proxies do constrain rates: Past changes (e.g., Younger Dryas) were regional/slower; modern global rate (~0.2°C/decade) exceeds proxy bounds by 1-2 orders of magnitude (Kaufman et al. 2020). 5. Tipping Points, Scientist Shifts, and Broader "Unravelling" ... Assessment: John Daysh is correct ... Ridley (a journalist/skeptic) and Merz (political quotes on Germany's Energiewende) reflect policy debates, not science—Germany's issues stem from post-2022 energy shocks (Ukraine war), not climate fundamentals. COP outcomes vary, but physics (e.g., CO2 at 420+ ppm, forcing ~+2.5 W/m˛) persists. http://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk_30f09106-2107-429e-a3a0-e0aa9e65858c "Running of to Grok every time you find yourself in a corner isn't a good look. Validation from an algorithm is just comfort food." - mhaze "Algorithm". Posted by John Daysh, Sunday, 25 January 2026 5:19:39 PM
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It'll be unravelling alright...
when you hear these latest Trump / Epstein allegations. Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 31 January 2026 11:45:19 PM
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