Hi mhaze,

"That Trump will get Greenland is a given. All the rest is just posturing and Denmark trying to get the best deal for Denmark (not Greenland) from the inevitable."

What does he need to 'get' Greenland for?
Denmark is already a part of NATO
All he has to do is ask them to allow the building of more military infrastructure and stationing of more personnel there.

Hi John Daysh,
You're referring to the existence of NATO Article 4 I think.
No, Article 5 is not automatic.

NATO Article 4 allows any member nation to request consultations with other allies if it feels its territorial integrity, political independence, or security is threatened, initiating discussions within the North Atlantic Council (NAC) without automatically triggering military action like Article 5, serving as a crucial diplomatic tool for addressing shared security concerns, as seen recently with Poland's requests following drone incursions.

mhaze has a pretty bad habit of never acknowledging any point from the other side.
He makes his arguments and then proclaims victory, much like Trump himself.

...

Russia hit Lviv with an Oreshnik missile earlier.
My guess is he went after Western intelligence assets on the ground, CIA, MI6.
Or... maybe underground.

Russian forces launch Oreshnik strike in response to Kiev's attack on Putin's residence
http://tass.com/defense/2069387

NATO weighs boosting Arctic security as Trump escalates Greenland claims
http://www.politico.eu/article/nato-weighs-boosting-arctic-security-donald-trump-escalates-greenland-claims/
'Ideas include better Arctic surveillance, more defense spending, transfers of military equipment and military exercises.'

"Europe is scrambling to placate the latest Trump threats and avoid a military intervention that Denmark has said would mean the end of the alliance. A compromise with the U.S. president is seen as the first and preferred option."

Hi AC,

Yes, broadly agreed with the thrust of what you're saying, and you're right to separate Article 4 from Article 5.

You're also right about the core practical point: the US doesn't need to "get" Greenland in a sovereignty sense to achieve its strategic objectives. Denmark is already a NATO member, and the US already operates at Thule. Expanded basing rights, infrastructure, surveillance, and force posture could all be negotiated without annexation.

That's exactly why claims of inevitability don't really hold up. If the strategic goal is Arctic access, early warning, and force projection, those aims are achievable through alliance mechanisms, bilateral agreements, and pressure short of force. Annexation would add enormous political, legal, and alliance costs for very little additional capability.

Regarding NATO - yes, Article 5 isn't automatic, and Article 4 exists precisely to manage crises before they escalate. But the absence of automatism cuts both ways. It doesn't mean allies would shrug at a US move against Danish territory; it means responses would be political, negotiated, and crisis-driven rather than pre-programmed.

That's why this matters less as a legal puzzle and more as an alliance stress test. Even talk of force against Greenland is already prompting contingency planning, Arctic posturing, and diplomatic scrambling, as the Politico piece notes. That alone should tell us the outcome isn't foregone.

So yes, NATO has tools short of war, the US has options short of annexation, and Denmark has leverage short of capitulation. Which is why framing any of this as "a given" skips over the very mechanisms everyone is now actively using.

Hi AC,

"Russian forces launch Oreshnik strike in response to Kiev's attack on Putin's residence"

Why has no footage of the damage been released (other than AI fakes)?

I've been following the uprising in that wildly successful Russian vassal state, the theocracy of Iran. When I look at things like that, I don't think of the Jews, Trump, Great Satan America, or breaches of international law. I just feel sorry for the people living there and hope that they can overthrow the perpetrators of so much hatred in the world, including antisemitic violence in Australia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGQAIYMwTOw&t=5s

And apparently the most violent militias supporting the regime are Islamic terrorist cells from Yemen, Gaza, and Lebanon. I hope Trump keeps his promise to protect Iranian citizens from state violence.

Have you seen all the protests against the violence of Iran against its citizens here? To think that Jimmy Carter helped set up the Ayatollah. At least he lived long enough to see Biden's "Weekend at Bernie's" presidency.

Hi John Daysh,

"Regarding NATO - yes, Article 5 isn't automatic, and Article 4 exists precisely to manage crises before they escalate. But the absence of automatism cuts both ways."

It also means that if Putin attacked NATO bases or even nuked European cities that the U.S. wouldn't necessarily respond if the result was counter nuclear strikes against U.S. cities, but I'm not sure that's something I'd want to count on.

Hi Fester,

"Why has no footage of the damage been released?"

I haven't seen any footage, I saw it mentioned in the thumbnail of a Youtube video in my feed this morning, I didn't watch all the video only a minute and a half.

RUS strikes Ukr with Oreshnik Hypersonic Missile IRBM. Why strike Ukr, US+UK seized your Oil Tanker!
http://youtu.be/79dBVeK1n9c

Emil's pretty cluey, I'm not sure his source but it looks like he dropped the ball not connecting it to the attack on Putin's residence. His video might've been an hour or 2 prior to the confirmation on Tass, which was when I shared it.

Many people on the content I watch have been expecting an Oreshnik strike from this, the West may have tried to assassinate Putin via Ukraine.

The situation in Iran looks to be getting serious, when there's no water and money doesn't buy what it used to and you can't survive...
I haven't been following it too closely, just catching bits here and there. Iran were trying to manage the unrest as best they could but it looks to be getting out of hand.

"I just feel sorry for the people living there and hope that they can overthrow the perpetrators of so much hatred in the world, including antisemitic violence in Australia."

I don't really believe Iran sent low level street thugs down here to set fire to synagogue doors, and tbh it makes me question ASIO integrity or whether the intelligence agency itself's been compromised.

"I hope Trump keeps his promise to protect Iranian citizens from state violence."
- That's not how these things work unfortunately.
They place the sanctions and try to devalue the currency themselves.
Trump wants escalation, the West assists in creating the uprising, and they don't care about the human cost.
They want the regime to act out and start shooting protesters because it adds to the 'illegitimate', 'unfit to rule', 'attacks their own people' 'attacks peaceful protesters' narrative.
They want to regime gone and this is how they achieve it, if it fails they wait and try again.