Pericles.. there is a lot more 'imagery' in the Christian concept of paradise...not sure how to interpet 'lion will lay down with the lamb' literal..or symbolic..

Islamic paradise is primarily 'real' ..when they speak of having sexual relations with the Houris..they mean REAL sex.. I've been speaking with a few on youtube.. trust me.. for them...its real.

I rather like the Christian concept.. all equal up there. None of this 'girls for the men'...but 'nice shade' for the wives.

That's a total cop-out, Boaz, and you know it.

>>Pericles.. there is a lot more 'imagery' in the Christian concept of paradise...Islamic paradise is primarily 'real' ..when they speak of having sexual relations with the Houris..they mean REAL sex..<<

You avoided answering the questions. Is the Christian paradise real, or imaginary? Is the Islamic paradise real, or imaginary? Unless and until you can answer these, all your protestations that one is somehow "better" that the other is just wind.

>>I rather like the Christian concept.. all equal up there. None of this 'girls for the men'...but 'nice shade' for the wives.<<

Where is this particular suburban bliss version of paradise described, Boaz? Or is it only in your imagination, a piece of wishful thinking that describes your personal picture of how you would like to spend eternity?

The reason - the only reason - that I am trying to squeeze out of you some corroborative detail, Boaz, is that you spend so much of your time in the land of double standards when you criticize religions other than your own. If you were to be a little more even-handed in the way you handle the material on Islam that you spend your life researching, then there would be far less reason to label you an unreconstructed mozzie-basher.

And please, YouTube is not a very productive research tool.

>>when they speak of having sexual relations with the Houris..they mean REAL sex.. I've been speaking with a few on youtube.. trust me.. for them...its real.<<

Yep. Hollywood is real too, Boaz. Remember, on the Internet, no-one knows you are a dog. That makes it a prime-time vehicle for propaganda of the highest order

What is this thread about? Justice or inequality? It seems like its, "Lets jump on Boazy!"

I think the chances of getting this thread on-topic are Buckleys, Philo. Once Boaz takes us along his whack-a-mozzie road, there's no turning back.

It doesn't matter where we start, at some point he will hijack us into his comfort zone of trite tepid-gospelling. And I'm afraid that's usually the point where I get sucked right in. He's the Pavlov to my doggedness.

The diversion from the original topic was instigated, if you were to check, by a typical Boaz throwaway comment:

"Patriarchal Inequality in Heaven/Paradise. One thing about the Christian idea of heaven, is that there is 'no marriage' there. All are equal... male and female. I find it fascinating how in Islam.. even the terminology of 'paradise' is understood in 'male' terms.<<

And it all went downhill from there.

Hello All,

Well I must say when I first joined this forum and put forward a topical comment for discussion and debate I did not envisage that I would be a bystander, in essence reading someones elses thread! That is the trouble with all things religious, people just cannot help themselves throwing it in to the mix, thereby diverting the initial topic away from its original context. I actually think that Boaz would make a great politician. (runs at the mouth giving very little thought to other peoples opinions).

I do not know Boaz or anything about him and do not like to comment personally but, I have to say Boaz sounds like a fundamental christian extremist, no less radical in his opinions than the Islamic people that he is now denegrating and insulting. Christianity is no less radical or dangerous than Islam, one only has to look back historically at nearly every war or conflict, and yes, in amongst it all you will find religion, and not necessarily Islam or any other. Each individual is entitled to their own religious and political beliefs.But how did we get side tracked this far off course to discussing 'infinite supplies of virgins in heaven for all Muslims?' I do thank you all kindly for your input and although I am now reluctant to post again, undoubtedly, I will. I just hope that Boaz can keep on the premise of the topic and not drag us all into the vatican! Wishing you all well and hoping that somehow there is a slight possibility that my posting may deviate back to its original course. Have a lovely weekend.

justice1964: "I do not know Boaz or anything about him and do not like to comment personally but, I have to say Boaz sounds like a fundamental christian extremist, no less radical in his opinions than the Islamic people that he is now denegrating and insulting."

Indeed, justice1964. Amazingly enough, he got all snooty and defensive when I pointed out that he's a member of the Christian Taliban :)