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Double standards on immigration?

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Quite a number of times I've asked here for indigenous to enlighten us on their preferences as to which ethnicity migrants if any at all they would rather see than Westerners.
To-date no-one's replied.
As to Haste having benefitted from his family moving here well, so have all others even those who oppose having to share the place with those they so despise yet benefit from.
The migrants who drag medieval ideology into the country & openly declare that their duty is to take over the Nation aren't migrants at all, they're conquerors who bring no benefits unlike the Europeans did.
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 6 October 2025 9:45:48 AM
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Australia’s permanent visa program delivered just 166 tradespeople last year

The above headline from the 'Noticer'

Sobering if true !
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 6 October 2025 11:31:22 AM
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Yes, there are undoubtably racists among those who protest against immigration, but its is an oversimplification to say that all opposition to current migration policies is racist.

I am a migrant myself and I think Australia’s relatively large levels of migration and policies of multiculturalism have been a great success. More that half of Australians were either born overseas, or have at least one parent who was. But I suspect migration policy will have to change if we are to sustain our success.

One issue is the sheer number of migrants – net overseas migration was 446,000 in 2023-24 and 536,000 in 2022-23. This was far higher than the average of about 220,000 a year pre-Covid or the previous annual record of 299,870 in 2008-09. I suspect this is contributing to the housing affordability crisis and putting pressure on infrastructure and public services such as health and education.
http://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/overseas-migration/latest-release#data-downloads

There are other pressures, too. Overseas student enrolments have more than tripled in the past 20 years and there are more than 700,000 overseas students studying here. There are many benefits that overseas students bring, but they also need to be housed and use infrastructure and services. And as ttbn points out, there is evidence that some students are not here primarily to study but to earn an income and perhaps find an easier pathway to permanent residence.

A more complex issue that can easily shade into racism is the composition of the migrant intake. The horrifying rise in antisemitism in recent years and the fact that almost all terrorist incidents in Australia in the past 15 years have been linked to Islamic extremism suggests we should be more careful in screening migrants whose views and possible actions are fundamentally incompatible with the values and interests of the host community.

I am pro-migration and pro-multiculturalism, but within limits. Quantity and quality matter. The key question that should guide policy is whether migration delivers benefits to the existing population. We seem to have lost sight of that somewhat.
Posted by Rhian, Monday, 6 October 2025 4:31:38 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzFSzOa9aTM
Rhian,
The above link tells exactly what's going on because it is allowed to go on. No different here in a couple of years. It's in the making now.
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 6 October 2025 7:49:00 PM
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Rhian,

<<Yes, there are undoubtably racists among those who protest against immigration, but its is an oversimplification to say that all opposition to current migration policies is racist.>>

No, certainly not all, but most.

In fact Andrew Hastie has opposed the Liberal Party policy on net zero emissions in Australia.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-15/andrew-hastie-flags-resignation-or-sacking-over-liberal-net-zero/105776432

So, he is certainly not opposing immigration on environment grounds. He is opposed to his own party policy on net zero, so I don't see him as an overly environmentally minded person.

It is about race, perceptions and double standards. It is O.K for his family to come to Australia, but not anyone else. It's all a bit rich and very hard for many people to take - including reasonable people I know who are not extreme leftists or anything along those lines.

We saw similar with the pro-Australia protests held recently. People being very selective towards people from overseas (excluding their own family members of course).

<<One issue is the sheer number of migrants....>>

We have had the Liberal Party federally come out and support the reintroduction of the baby bonus. They want people to have more children and financially support those that do. If it's about numbers you don't support policies like that. Also I think you'd find many would support people from overseas, but only from certain countries.

<<Overseas student enrolments have more than tripled in the past 20 years and there are more than 700,000 overseas students studying here.>>

Overseas students are not immigration. Yes, there are people who try and stay here, but again that is not immigration. I would say to address that we reduce the number of overseas students at Universities. Another example is refugees. They are not immigration either. They have been forced from their place of origin beyond their control.

Finally in terms of quality, we have plenty of people who have lived here for generations and are terrible people. For example in the pro-Australia rallies of recent included neo-nazis. Hardly people to idolise or show any respect for.
Posted by NathanJ, Tuesday, 7 October 2025 10:35:22 AM
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Hi Nathan

I agree with much of what you say.

I am not against population growth, whether by migration, natural increase or both. I am concerned, however, that the current unprecedented rate of growth is beyond our capacity to comfortably absorb.

If the Coalition wants to try to boost fertility rates in Australia it is likely to have only modest and gradual effects on population growth rates that can easily be accommodated. We could double the rate of natural increase and it would still be far less than population growth through migration.
http://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory-population/mar-2025

I also agree that overseas students are not migrants, though some go on to become permanent residents. I don’t oppose that, either. If they are a suitable fit for the skills we need, it’s a good thing. My point was that even temporary residents can add to demand for housing and pressure on infrastructure and services to the detriment of the permanent population.

Similarly for refugees. These may or many not be migrants, depending on the visa they are issued. Refugees admitted under the Humanitarian Program have permanent residence. Unauthorised arrivals such as those brought by people smugglers may be granted temporary visas, and there are pathways for some of these to get permanent residency. But they all need somewhere to live.

Yes, lots of people whose families have been here for generation are terrible. So what? That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to stop other terrible people from coming here, and trying to ensure that those who do don’t do terrible things.

The growing backlash against multiculturalism in Europe has seen the simultaneous rise of antisemitism, Islamophobia, white nationalism, hostility to migration and racial violence. Indyvidual’s link to the vile criminal British racist “Tommy Robinson” (not his real name) may indeed signal what could happen here if we are not careful
Posted by Rhian, Tuesday, 7 October 2025 4:08:30 PM
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