The Trumpster a "NEUTRAL OBSERVER",after the election, and on seeing the result, The Trumpster claimed he voted LABOR, must want to be loved, and on the winning side. Hasn't voted for the Liberals since the days of the Mad Monk, according to him. Recently claimed he was a "conservative", how these far right radicals like to dress themselves up as "conservatives".

Australian bureaucracy at its finest !

"Robodebt wasn’t a bureaucratic fumble. It was political determination, backed by bureaucratic complicity."

We must have read different RC reports. Because the one I read found most of the problem was caused by public servants. But I read it with both eyes open.

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"The Trumpster claimed he voted LABOR, must want to be loved, and on the winning side."

Also said it before the election. And before the election before that. And before the election before the election before that. And consistently since 2015. But that was more a few days ago and how can Paul possibly be expected to remember that.

Really, mhaze? All 1000+ pages?!

//...the one I read found most of the problem was caused by public servants.//

Yeah, right.

Just like the "dozens" of peer-reviewed papers you've supposedly read on climate change. Or the three copies of Mein Kampf you don't have.

To refresh your "open eyes":

- "One Minister, Mr Morrison, took the proposal to Cabinet, knowing that it involved income averaging and that his own Department had indicated that it would require legislative change, but on the basis of the contrary indication in the NPP checklist, proceeded without enquiring as to how the change had come about." (p. 429)

- "In 2017, however, it was a different picture; there were plenty of indications that income averaging without other evidence was not a legitimate way of calculating entitlement." (p. 430)

- "The report paints a picture of how the Robodebt Scheme … was put together on an ill-conceived, embryonic idea and rushed to Cabinet." (p. 640)

- "How did the Scheme make its way to Cabinet … which referred to the use of ATO income data but made no mention of the income averaging which would be required (and was used, despite its illegality)?" (p. 641)

- "ACOSS had informed Mr Tudge … that the operation of the Scheme was causing distress to those who were subject to it." (p. 719)

- "Mr Tudge … did nothing about the fundamental concerns: reversal of the onus and income averaging." (p. 721)

If that’s what you call "mostly the public service’s fault," then either you skimmed with both eyes closed or you’ve got the mother of all selective blind spots.

I look forward to your quotes showing that "most of the problem was caused by public servants."

The words of the fool who now wants to claim he voted Labor 3rd May 2025;

"The ALP's economic policies are woeful and will eventually come a cropper, especially if China unravels under pressure from Trump. The policy of screwing up and then generously 'fixing' if by throwing our grandkids money at the problem can only succeed for so long. They promised lower power prices in 2022 and only avoided being held accountable by throwing subsidies around like confetti. That can only work once."
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 6 May 2025 10:29:48 AM

Yeah, right, sure you voted LABOR.

At least I'm honest;

"As a person who supports progressive politics, I voted Greens one Labor two, the sitting LMP member on a 3.4% margin is a nice bloke, spoken to him many times, and probably doesn't deserve to lose his job, and I don't think he will." (Well he did lose his job, and the new ALP member, she has hit the ground running , keep it up doing well.)
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 2 May 2025 1:08:26 PM

Trumpster, I say that your claim you voted LABOR was made after the election, and simply a lie, so you can be "loved". When you're not posting one of those 7,500 inane comments of yours, you're reading 1,000 page Royal Commission reports, Mein Kampf and volumes on climate change! You're nearly as bad as the Kudos Kid who keeps quoting that infamous Greek Cafe' owner from Marrickville Arsethrottle, and spreading his crappy pixie dust to the like minded such as you. Mate, get this! John and I are not as thick as YOU!

p/s Are you also effluent in 47 different languages as well, I'm sure you will claim you are. ha, ha

Well, well, well. Look what I just found from our resident neutral observer:

“Rudd was warned that the private sector wasn’t equipped to install the batts at the rates he wanted. And he ignored that. And then he ignored the fact that a bunch of fly-by-night operations were popping up as he'd been warned would happen and that unskilled workers were being exposed to risks just to fulfil his economic fantasies. And then people died and Rudd... ran for cover.”

You concluded:

“That’s why there was a RC. When we see equivalent governmental disregard for their victims, and disregard for clear warnings, then you can make these utterly fatuous comparisons between the two.”
- mhaze, 18 Sept 2019

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8939#291302

Well… we saw it.

We saw a government implement a legally indefensible scheme, in the face of explicit legal warnings, that targeted vulnerable people and led to multiple suicides, as confirmed by the Robodebt Royal Commission. A scheme that used false pretences to extract money from hundreds of thousands of Australians, many of them already struggling - including people who owed nothing.

“Some families even received debt notices after their loved one had taken their own life.” - Commissioner Holmes, Final Report

“Robodebt was a crude and cruel mechanism, neither fair nor legal. It made many people feel like criminals. It was a costly failure of public administration.” - Final Report, Vol 1, p.4

And yet, here you are, mhaze, denying ministerial responsibility. Dismissing the harm. Minimising the deaths. Calling it a bureaucratic accident.

Where’s the outrage?

Where’s the demand for accountability from the people at the top?

You had it for Rudd - a PM who actually fronted the Royal Commission, accepted ultimate responsibility, and gave an emotional apology. But when it comes to Morrison, Tudge, and Porter? Crickets.

Even after the RC laid responsibility at the feet of Coalition ministers.

These weren’t faceless public servants going rogue. Ministers wanted the scheme, were warned it was unlawful, and pushed ahead anyway.

That’s not “the government being the problem.” That’s elected officials causing harm, and then trying to hide it.