John has put it clearly as to what's needed for breaking the never ending cycle of violence, antisocial behavior and petty crime in communities, gj123 situation is the end result of that cycle. I don't suggest that there shouldn't be consequences for violent behavior, but how to reduce that behavior in the first place is the question. mhaze starts from a position of hate for Aboriginal people, so there's not much chance of him favouring anything positive, only that which involve punishment.

BTW; Incarceration rates is only one problem, there are many others that also need to be addressed.

http://www.closingthegap.gov.au/national-agreement/targets

We have the usual ABBAriginal lobby simply calling out the government and Australian society for imprisoning so many natives and demanding a fall in that imprisonment rate, while never explaining how it would be done. The fact is that fully one-third of natives in NT gaols are there because of domestic violence. You either accept that they're there legitimately or demand that domestic violence perpetrators be let off.

Since neither one is palatable to the whingers in our midst, they avoid the issue all together. I just have fun pointing out their hypocrisy.

mhaze,

You’re not “having fun pointing out hypocrisy.” You’re ducking the discussion.

Nobody has argued for “letting off” domestic violence offenders. That’s a straw man you keep recycling because it’s easier than engaging with actual solutions.

Reducing incarceration means stopping the violence before it happens: rehab, outreach, culturally led programs. Those ideas get raised constantly, but you haven't touched them. You just hide behind this fake either/or - either we excuse wife bashers or we jail every Aboriginal man we can.

That isn’t debate. It’s performance to avoid admitting you’ve got nothing useful to add.

Trumster,

You say; "simply calling out the government and Australian society for imprisoning so many natives and demanding a fall in that imprisonment rate, while never explaining how it would be done."

John had said; "A serious discussion would be about funding refuges, improving youth outreach, tackling alcohol abuse, and supporting education"

So you had been given a solution but didn't recognise it, more likely don't want to recognise it, much prefer the, lock em' up, throw away the key solution, which incidentally doesn't work, and costs a lot of money and resources.

Anyone who feels the need to ask why indigenous Australians are overrepresented in jails should go & live in communities for a couple of years.
It's no different to the drug abuse in the cities.
National Service was sold off for votes in 1972 just like immigration is now.
The lack of foreseeing the consequences is solely down to ignorance by those clambering for official positions without having an ounce of merit yet overloaded with 'qualifications' !
The result being a screwed-up mentality for many & indifference to anything except money !
Indoctrinated racial hatred does the rest.
There really are too many stupid people now ! I wonder if there will be enough caring people left for the next federal election to stop the rot !

"The lock em' up and throw away the key attitude helps no one.'
I agree that that hasn't as yet & highly unlikely ever will help solve the crisis. The only method that will produce results is to work for & pay reparation to the victim plus compensation for loss of time associated stress !
No crims will ever take any notice of decency as long as idiotic Leftsts keep bailing them out & portray it as everyone else's fault !
Make a victim a member of the jury will help !