WTF

Your interlocutor seems to have been more of an individual than a culture-tragic.

We can't assume that all of a certain group - in this case, Torres Strait Islanders - think alike. Eighty percent of them might not be in a lather about it (we never get to hear from them) and it could be that all the fuss is down to a few activists who enjoy the limelight.

No matter what, there is no evidence that they are in danger of losing their homes or their way of life. If there was, I'm sure they wouldn't be left to their own devices by any Australian government.

Climate change is real, there is ample evidence of that fact. Like they have resisted change in the past, the Usual Suspects won't accept reality. Rising sea levels are with us now, another fact. The tiny Pacific island nation of Tuvalu is experiencing inundation as the sea levels rise and the island is flooding and becoming uninhabitable. Australia has made a gesture by offering 280 special Australian visas to the Tuvaluans, 4,0000 islanders, about a third of the population, subscribed to the ballot for the visas. As the island disappears it will be necessary to relocate the entire population, a reality. AND a couple of comfortable off Old Farts claim climate change is not happening, get real fellas!

WTF?

ttbn states "there is no evidence that they are in danger of losing their homes or their way of life."

As I stated, the township of Bamaga on Cape York Peninsula was founded by Saibai Islanders leaving Saibai because of high tide inundation in the mid-1900s (there was a typo when I said mid-1990s).

At least two attempts have been made to "save" this island by constructing sea walls. The last being in 2017 at a cost of $24.5 million dollars.

These people are in real danger of losing both their homes and their their way of life and this has been the case for decades.

ttbn also states "Eighty percent of them might not be in a lather about it (we never get to hear from them)".

If ttbn has been listening to RN this week he would have been able to hear from many Islanders about this exact issue. So we do get to hear from them but only from those media outlets that bother to find out.

But yes we get it. It's the ABC doing the same "biased" reporting even though it is exactly what that ttbn is asking for.

"Climate change is real".

Yep, very true. Its been changing for the last 4 billion years.

And of coarse, sea levels have been rising on average since the advent of the Holocene some 11,000 years ago.

But none of that is the point. The point is there is precisely nothing the Australian government can do about those things. There is precisely nothing the Australian people can do about those things.

I know there are some who think we can change the weather by giving the government more power, but alas, it ain't so.

In the end this was just a money grab based on false data trying to create a false promise. But at least the lawyers for these people got their cut of the pie, so all's well.....

As to Tuvalu, we've been down this road before so I won't spend too much time educating Paul who hasn't the slightest interest in the truth anyway. But Tuvalu isn't sinking. In many places its growing.

"As National Geographic reported, “Some islands grew by as much as 14 acres (5.6 hectares) in a single decade, and Tuvalu’s main atoll, Funafuti—33 islands distributed around the rim of a large lagoon—has gained 75 acres (32 hectares) of land during the past 115 years.”"

It must be very irritating waiting to be victims for "decades" and nothing happening since the beginning of the last century. They should move to America, where dangerous weather is always happening, and there are some good floods available right now. They could be homeless to their hearts content.

If WTF has not been listening to “RN this week” he would not be full of the bullsh.t that he is now trying to broadcast on behalf of ‘his’ ABC.

Like all left wackjobs, when given the opportunity to discuss a topic, he has more to say about the messenger than the message.

WTF?

Same old ttbn - same old deflection when schooled on a topic.

There is nothing I have stated on this thread that is (as ttbn has said) is "bullsh.t".

First ttbn plucks the figure of 80% out of the air and then claims that "(we never get to hear from them)". When confronted with contrary evidence he resorts to calling it "bullsh.t".

Typically, he gets it wrong again - I'm not broadcasting anything. The ABC is broadcasting the concerns of the people that he wants to hear from. It is ttbn who is calling the reported concerns of the Saibai Islands "bullsh.t" simply because he does not like the media source that has done the legwork for him.

It's your message, ttbn, and I am commenting on your message and your message is incorrect. You need to deal with that.