Three nights ago, four male youths aged 12-14 broke into a small business & smashed windows & four surveillance cameras in another one next door. Now, these four youths are extremely well known to Police & in the community from quite a number of previous incidents.
These kids stroll up & down the main street in full view of everyone yet no authority approaches them to either go to school or go home in school hours. Outboard engines are stolen from dinghies a mere 100 metres from the Police Station, parked cars vandalised etc etc. all with apparent immunity !
The security cameras clearly identified them & when Police questioned the the kids instantly admitted to the break in & were let ago again "because they admitted to the break in" !
Now, there's some $10,000 damage & many thousands from previous incidents yet these kids still roam freely. The parents are apparently not asked about paying compensation etc.
Let's pray the new Qld Coalition Govt will push through their election promise of adult crime, adult time asap !

It's not just the Qld government who should - but probably won't - 'do something about it'. It's all over the country, on the news every night, headlines dealing with arson and crime, usually committed by youngsters.

It's so common, so regular, the most people don't take any notice unless they are directly affected. Australia is rooted, and we don't have the sort of people needed to fix it.

The police are useless. Governments are more interested in transgenderism, woke, what people might say online, keeping Communist China happy etcetera, than they are in cracking down on real crime.

We even have a cop convicted of the manslaughter of a 95 year old dementia patient fighting to stay out of jail. Nobody would have dreamed of not being jailed for the next worst thing to murder on the 'old days'. Now he just might get off with a bond, keep his job, and go on to be Commissioner of police.

What's a bit of breaking and entering.

Hi Indyvidual,

I live in Victoria not Queensland. However youth crime
should concern us all. I've just read quite a shocking
article by Aimee McVeigh who's visited quite a few
youth detention centres and she describes them graphically.
Her article is more than a month old - but it's still
relevant.

She speaks about the election slogan - "Adult crime, adult
time". And says that the slogan won't make Queenslanders
safer. She tells us that fear should be fought with facts.
That posturing will put even more pressure on our maxed out
youth detention centres that will harm more children.

There's more at :

http://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/0ct/21/queensland-election-Tnp-youth-crime-policy-crisafulli

I'm not sure what the answer is in trying to solve this
problem. Perhaps programs giving these kids a purpose in life
would help? Keeping them busy instead of bored? It will be
interesting to see what others have to say.

My apologies. Here's the link again:

http://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/21/queensland-election-lnp-youth-crime-policy-crisafulli

Youth crime is a serious problem, but I don’t think being “tough on crime” is the answer. All the studies I’ve seen found that harsh penalties, especially putting kids in lockups and adult jails, make the problem worse not better. Young kids in particular are much more likely to go on to a life of crime if they get caught up in the criminal justice system. Teenagers’ brains are not fully developed, so they are not responsible for their actions in the same way as adults. And locking children up is very, very expensive.

This article has interesting summaries of different approaches to juvenile crime worldwide:

http://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/global-youth-justice-methods-a-lesson-for-australia,19116

but I don’t think being “tough on crime” is the answer.
Rhian,
Depends what you interpret as "tough on crime". Four Star Motels with internet, gym, health checks, free dental, good food etc etc. really isn't "tough" in anyone's language let alone for the young $h.theads whose parents also don't give a $h.t about the victims as neither do Judges & Magistrates.
If Govt is incapable of dealing with offenders then they really should let victims defend themselves rather than persecute them following an attack. I guarantee that there won't be a shortage of cells within a very short time.
I never got a single Cent of compensation for over a hundred thousand Dollars worth of gear stolen nor would this great system allow me to claim it at Tax time.
I once asked a 17 year old after we remanded him in custody why he continued to smash windows & ruin refrigerators in a Supermarket to the tune of over a hundred thousand Dollars & he gleefully replied "because you send me to Jail". Now, if the people who watched him damaging the premises were allowed to stop him & teach him a lesson he most certainly would not want to do it again ! The reason why they do it is not some "complex problem" as do-gooders like to describe it. The real reason is that they know they're not getting reprimanded. The whole youth crime fiasco is a direct result of academic expert idiocy ! It's literally their fault !

.

Dear Indyvidual,

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In my opinion, parents should be held legally responsible for juvenile offenders’ acts and omissions in relation to crimes and misdemeanours committed by their minor children, irrespective of whether the parents are aware of the acts and demeanours or not.

A case that comes to mind is that of the parents of a teenager who killed four classmates at a Michigan high school in the US in 2021 and who were found guilty of involuntary manslaughter because of their child’s crimes.

The judge declared that "Parents are not expected to be psychic, but these convictions are not about poor parenting. These convictions confirm repeated acts, or lack of acts, that could have halted an oncoming runaway train -- about repeatedly ignoring things that would make a reasonable person feel the hair on the back of their neck."

The son was found guilty of the four murders and sentenced to life imprisonment. The parents were found guilty, in separate trials, of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 10 to 15 years’ imprisonment.

Here is an article on the case :

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jennifer-james-crumbley-parents-michigan-school-shooter-sentenced/story?id=108900929

The judgement of parents of juvenile offenders, even for minor offences and transgressions, should send a fairly strong message to parents in Australia and provoke a greater awareness of their risks and potential responsibilities.

Not surprisingly, studies conducted specifically with parents and juvenile offenders suggest modest endorsements of parental accountability. In a study conducted by White, Augoustinos, and Taplin in 2007 in Australia, parents considered that responsibility for the crime lay primarily within the children, and not the parents, even when the child was in his or her pre-teenage years (10 years of age).

A Brank and Lane study in 2008, with juveniles in post-adjudication residential facilities revealed that juveniles generally did not consider their parents to be responsible for their delinquent behaviour.

All that, evidently, goes without saying, but I don’t see any of it as a valid deterrent to tackling the problem as suggested.

It's time for a wake-up call !

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In an ideal world parents should get involved in the
lives of their children. Of course that's not always
possible. Single parents find it especially difficult
having to work and provide shelter, food, and clothing.

Both my husband and I had to work. However, we made sure
that we were involved in the lives of our kids. We saw to it
that our kids were involved in sport, scouts, and our
community. We kept them too busy to get bored. We made sure
we knew who their friends were and with whom they
associated. We were involved in their lives and we were
always there for them.

It wasn't easy. But they have grown up to be decent human
beings. They are now very involved in the lives of their
own children. So we must have done something right.

Indyvidual

This is a difficult and painful subject and emotion too often gets in the way. At one end of the spectrum are “do gooders” who think we should be kind, gentle and forgiving to wayward kids; and at the other are angry, vengeful Laura Norda fans who would be happy to lock ‘em up and throw away the key, preferably after a good flogging.

I’d rather an approach based on evidence – why are so may kids doing this stuff; what can we do to prevent them getting there; and, when they do become problems, what can we do to turn them around so they don’t repeat offend or go on to be adult criminals. And, how can we do this relatively cheaply.

From all I’ve read the most effective ways of dealing with youth crime are things like early intervention, deflection to divert them from custody into other programs and options, and measures to keep them in school or find them work. These are also a lot cheaper for the taxpayer than incarceration

an approach based on evidence
Rhian,
The evidence clearly demonstrates that whatever is in place presently fails us all. Some kids only need a slap whereas others will only stop offending when locked away. The worst part is that the perpetual re-offenders are KNOWN to the community AND the authorities. The Police can't do a damn thing because of the do-gooders yet the do-gooder never offer to compensate the victims. My losses due to theft & break0ins have changed my life yet the same do-gooders are still employed by the Taxpayers & get to enjoy their generous Superannuations etc.
Whenever a do-gooder baulks at a sentence they should be required to disclose up front that they're willing to compensate victims or refrain from interfering with real Justice !
Like that mutt from the Civil Libertarians once said to me "Sorry mate, can't help you, we're batting for the other team (indigenous delinquents) !

Move into a white gated community, where all residents are armed including 24 hour armed security: Welcome to White Minority South Africa: A taste of things to come for a fast diminishing White majority population of Multicultural Australia.

So things are bad but they will be worse!

Don’t vote; its you desperados that vote, that create permanent left wing Autocracies for the rest of us!

Indyvidual

For once we can agree on something – our present approach isn’t working.

Many, many international studies have shown that high incarceration rates for young people lead to bad outcomes for society as a whole. People who have been imprisoned as juveniles are much more likely than those who go through alternative programs to re-offend, and to go on to be imprisoned again as adults. Putting kids in prison is also extremely expensive. It is far cheaper, and more effective, to put in early intervention programs that make it less likely that they will offend in the first place.

This US study is an example:
http://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/why-youth-incarceration-fails-an-updated-review-of-the-evidence/

Two aspects of Australia’s criminal juvenile justice approach need urgent attention. The first is that we have a very low age of criminal responsibility in Australia – just 10 years old in most states. This is low by world standards, especially compared to other prosperous democracies. Worldwide, the most common age of criminal responsibility is 14.

The second is the massively disproportionate number of indigenous kids in detention. The numbers fluctuate a fair bit, but according to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare the ratio of First Nations to non-Indigenous young people ranged from 16 in September 2020 to a high of 29 in the March and June quarters of 2023.
http://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/youth-justice/youth-detention-population-in-australia-2023/contents/first-nations-young-people

We really did create a problem by letting the academic experts brigade to haqve so much say in matters they know nothing about.
People rightly say parents should be made responsible yet we have these "experts deny parents not only the Right but also the absolute necessity to discipline their children. Now these "experts" are starting to blame the parents for the brainwashing of the kids by our idiotic social engineering outfits.
If damages need to be paid let him/her who says the kids are not responsible pay the costs !
Teachers need to be given the task of discipling unruly kids ! Anyone charged with monitoring kids must have the right to discipline kids.
Kids need to be in awe of older people not see defiance as a Right to cause disruption or damage or even hurt !

The loss of blue collar majority made the white collars the only game in town.

Hi Indy, good topic.

I understand your concerns with juvenile crime, and the affect it is having on innocent people. There is a problem, and it has to be addressed. I was pleased with the change of government here in Queensland and am willing to give the LNP a chance to tackle this and other issues confronting the state. Catchy slogans and media hype work for so long, but eventually the true reality of the situation catches up and the new government will have to deliver. The honeymoon period is on now, then the jury will be out, after that finally the voters will decide.

I think one of the tactics to curb youth crime could be to incarcerate the the culprits & being watched over by members of their family. This would literally put a dead stop to deaths in custody !
Remodel facilities by removing gyms, internet rooms etc so the watchers can move in !

Well, a drunken adult (female anti-vaxxer) who ripped the hair out of a female cop's head during her arrest has "avoided jail" according to news last night. Magistrates and judges don't have the knackers to lock up adult thugs; why would they punish minors?

ttbn,
Atrocious ! Doesn't the Law have any integrity left ?

The families of four youths causing damage by breaking in & stealing demanded for security video footage not to be shown to the community ! The reason "it'd show our community in a bad light" !

Just got told that the Police went to the home of the leader of the culprits to talk with the parents about the kids antics. According to one officer the father told the son "Don't get caught next time".

There will be lots more youth crime once this social media ban kicks in.

It's not about kids being bullied and committing suicide
It's not even about kids being radicalised with extremism
It's not even about kids at all in my opinion

It's about forcing adults to have Digital ID
- social media blackmail -

The kids will still be committing all sorts of crimes;
and the government will still be giving them all slaps on the wrist
and then letting them straight back out on the streets to commit more.

I haven't read the DID laws, but I know someone who has
I'm told once you use Digital ID once
- It automatically becomes the only accepted ID you can use.

So pied piper them with social media blackmail, then once people use it just one time - it then becomes the only accepted form of ID forever.

There would be some on here who would prefer a tattoo on the forearm as a means of identification.

Indy,

We have a problem with social justice which is leading to a problem with criminal justice. "Do the crime do the time" sounds a catchy little slogan, but unless you do something to reform the problems with youth in society, all you will achieve with longer jail sentences is bigger prisons and more hardened criminals. Of course there has to be repercussions for anti social criminal acts, but the objective should be early on with attempts to put children into a meaningful productive environment, which a lot of children today are lacking. Treat the root causes that lead to the crime, and then you might have better outcomes.

Crime rises, liveability declines. Or, is it the other way around.

the root causes
Paul1405,
Anarchists & a host of other parasites unwilling to do their share i.e. Woke leftist indoctrinated mindless hangers-on with Uni degrees yes, what do you suggest should be done with them to restore them to being acceptable human beings ?

If you're a kid that goes through some kind of family trauma at an early age
Then those damaged kids will develop a 'dgf' attitude.
It's a protection mechanism, 'you can't beat dgf'.
- Doesn't really matter what you do to them, they 'don't care'
Unfairness is all they know.

If you take a velvet glove approach with punishment of the 'dgf' kids, they become emboldened by it, they think they got away with it;
Think they are smarter than all the adults, that adults are a pushover and that they can manipulate the system - and they still 'dgf';
- And then they go out and do more worse stuff anyway.

The problem with being one of those kids is that 'dgf' might be a protection mechanism when they're young;
- But it will only take one so far, and when they start to get a bit older, into their teens and actually do need to 'gf' and make good choices for themselves, they don't know how.

If you treat them too harshly, then I guess it probably just reinforces whatever feelings they already have about the world, in that things 'aren't fair' for them - and never were.

Eventually what you end up with is the Leadbetters.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-08/hit-and-run-pregnant-couple-alexandra-hills-brisbane-leadbetter/101135384

I don't know how you reach these kids with what's eating them inside
But if you poke and prod around and try to understand the cause of their trauma, which likely happened years earlier, they're likely to become hostile, just for pushing them to address that past.

I don't know how you reach these kids with what's eating them inside
Armchair Critic,
You very easily reach them by basic harmless but highly effective discipline & by declaring ignorant academic "social experts" a national disaster !
Keep these "experts" out of the loop & let parents & teachers take on the role of basic early disciplining ! Kids need discipline as much as they need care because without discipline they learn how not to care. The proof is out there in our faces every minute of the day !

Hi Indy,
>>Keep these "experts" out of the loop & let parents & teachers take on the role of basic early disciplining!<<
- You're making the assumption that parents themselves aren't the cause of the kids childhood trauma.
The key to it all is for parents themselves to understand their own job.

It's a parent's job to ensure the physical and emotional wellbeing of their own kids, this is non-negotiable.
Fail to ensure your kids physical and emotional wellbeing, FAIL YOUR KIDS.

Armchair Critic,
That's the clearest you've made yourself thus far !

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1102108144885791&rdid=pHpMaW6CNGXdbS2L
Armchair critic,
Don't you think this spoiled brat would benefit from a good, disciplinary slap ?
A young mother I know cuddled her 6 six year old & completely ignored the 5 year girl he punched in the stomach !
When I told her he had also kneed a 4 year old boy in the stomach, she wouldn't believe me & got cranky with me !.
Is that the sort of discipline you have in mind ?

Hi Indy,
Yeah, I don't know how to fix that, it's above my pay-grade
But I think there will be similar scenes all across the country when the ban comes into place.
Child psychologists are going to clean up.

Parents have a minefield on their hands, they can either try to limit the social media time now, and start copping the above right now, or let them stay on there cop the cold turkey unravelling of their kids mental state when it happens and tell the kids it's not their fault.

In many ways parents have done this to themselves, by letting them have something like that, just to get a little bit of peace to themselves each day, it was probably the same story with video game consoles in the years prior, maybe many kids will move from social media back to gaming consoles.

Why is it so addictive?
Maybe social media is some form of escapism as much as entertainment.
Like the single mums watch their soapies, the kids get on their gaming consoles, people just wanting to escape the real world for a little while and immerse themselves in something they think they find enjoyment in.
Maybe it's the feeling of being in some way connected to others or of having some kind of purpose other than their existing mundane lives.

Also, sorry to hear the little ferals have been causing mayhem in your neck of the woods.

Child psychologists are going to clean up.
Armchair Critic,
Yep, they most likely find some idiot bureaudroid to sign cheques for them for yet another brain-dead policy of not disciplining the little rascals. Parents MUST have the Right to pull their their kids into line as should be the case with teachers.. Any 'Child psychologist" tempted to interfere should be charged with sabotage to society ! Considering the problems they have caused the charges should be back-dated 20 years !
Some of the millions syphoned off by them should be reclaimed even if it means having to sell luxury homes purchased via these inexcusable rorts !
I'm dead certain that a NMNS would curb these rorts substantially !
In any case, keep Academics well away from anything to do with children & shut-down Play School !

Children learn by watching the adults around them.
So it is important to model respectful behaviour
in all inter-actions. Children need to be taught how
not to disrespect others. It needs to be taught at
the very start.

There's more at:

http://sbs.com.au/language/english/en/article/the-world-should-be-a-safe-space-for-all-talk-about-respect-with-your-children-early-and-often/2lzv7pjdy

Development is how children grow physically and emotionally
and how they learn to communicate, think, and socialize.

Positive experiences and warm, responsive relationships in
the first five years of life are critical for a child's
development. In these early years the child's main way of
learning is through play and inter-actions with parents.

Other influences on development include - genes, nutrition,
physical activity, health and community.

The role that parents play - is important.

The role that parents play - is important.
Foxy,
Precisely ! No academic "Experts" should be permitted to interfere with parents discipling their child.
If mum or dad see the need to discipline an unruly child in public they must not be hampered by some ignorant do-gooder reporting them for child abuse & no opportunistic lawyer should be allowed to profiteer from it.
This is a serious societal issue that is decades overdue in being addressed.
Teachers too must have the authority to discipline a child as they are literally a stand-in parent for several hours a day.
The academic "experts" are sabotaging parent's responsibility & that has to stop if we really desire to save our society !
I really hope the new Qld Govt will successfully push through their adult time for adult crime policy. Anyone disageeing should offer to pay restitution for damages caused by children they helped to get on the wrong path.
A NMNS needs to be the next step !

This might sound a little lame,
And I'm not sure you could trust government or the academics to get it right;
- But maybe there's a need for an official handbook on parenting
- And an official guide for kids.

Give people the tools to be better parents, handle difficult situations.
And maybe help kids to understand why things should be handled in a certain way.

Every parent may have their own parenting style
But there may be conflict if it doesn't align with a teachers values.
I don't know if help or not but it could.
Maybe just level the playing field just that little bit?

I always thought that entire school classes for every grade should be online.
Why have 10,000 teachers all with different levels of competency, when you could just find the one best teacher out of the whole lot in every topic and put the classes online?
Is it better to have the best teacher teach your kid grade 5 online or grade 8 english online;
Or the worst teacher doing it face to face?
In any case if it was online parents could log on and see what their kids are being taught when they're not around.

Hi AC,

"But maybe there's a need for an official handbook on parenting
- And an official guide for kids."

That sounds very Comrade Stalin stuff. And for those who are deemed as not to be following the "official guide"? What punitive action does one have instore for them. Should there be a chapter on venerating the supreme leader included? Some politicians would think that's very important.

Hi Paul,
Well, I don't mean to come across like a dictator.
I just feel as though if parents just knew this one simple rule
- Then there wouldn't be anywhere near the amount of screwed up kids there are.

The rule is this and I said it once already

'It's a parents responsibility to ensure their kids physical and emotional wellbeing.
This is NOT NEGOTIABLE.
If you fail to ensure their physical and emotional wellbeing, by default - YOU FAIL YOUR KIDS.'

I'm not saying 'You must do this or you must do that, or the government will fine you and take your kids'.
Just more of a guide in helping to achieve successful outcomes, when it comes to building meaningful relationships with your kids, so that they don't develop an 'I don't care attitude', and make stupid choices when they reach an age where they make their own choice, or have bad dysfunctional relationships with people themselves later on in their lives.

Hi AC,

I agree with what you say, however that's only possible in an ideal world. Unfortunately in the real world, the children with the biggest problems, seem to have parent(s) who also have the biggest problems as well. Little Johnny 14, is in a gang, busted for stealing cars etc. Okay its adult crime, adult time. Instead of a slap on the wrist for the 47th time, its 4 years in juvie and then 3 years in big mans prison. Ah! We need to deal with the parents, found em', dads doing 5 years for armed robbery, mums a meth-head living with some guy who bashes her 3 times a week, she's tried to commit suicide a couple of times, etc etc. My question is what do you do to solve these social and criminal problems?

what do you do to solve these social and criminal problems?
Paul1405,
Some people are just incapable of thinking. Stop the academic "experts" from sticking their beak into things they have no clue of !
Sack bureaudroids who mess up & start a NMNS to get individual thought back into people !
This will revive common sense & result in common sense policies & decisions !
Common sense is not understood anymore because the social "experts" didn't have any & so they decided no-one else should have any either so they banned it being taught !
No more teachers from the class rooms & back into class rooms. They need to experience real World issues for at least a year before we can afford to let them influence our kids !
Unless of course, people think things have been good lately !

Thanks Indyvidual, the discipline of the next generation is critical. Families now seem to be defined "sans fathers" and this seems to flow through to the children. Broadly women seems to be complicit in the redefining of the family and our lost youth. Kudos to women that fight against the destruction of the family by the Woke Marxist Academic Aristocracy Globalist's. Children need boundaries, and two parents, sadly it's the children that suffer in the long run when the mother goes to war against the contact of fathers with their children. Maybe many women are so narcissistic that they are willing to sacrifice their children for their own short term emotional decadence, ignoring the investment in future productive prosperity that they represent.

Domestic violence is a serious problem which impacts on many
families. It takes a great deal of courage to leave a
violent relationship especially for the sake of children.
However, nowdays there are organisations who help.

According to available data "On average one woman a week is
killed by her intimate male partner".

The devastating consequences of domestic violence goes
across generations and lasts a lifetime.

Anecdotally I'd expect that many more men than women die every week from family breakdown. And women appear to have much more power in court than men. But few will refuse power for the greater good. There are those whose intent is to destabilize the family and the culture and the civilization, but there are also women who go along with it, because it feels good to have power without responsibility, spinning without vertigo. What could go wrong??

It sounds like Foxy is saying that it's ok for "all women" to lose control to stop the "52 men" in Australia that lose control every year. And she won't even investigate the particular backgrounds of these men, what cultures they come from, etc. She just wants to blame it on all men. Doesn't sound rational to me!

What I am doing is simply citing data that has been
put out by the Australian Institute of Health and welfare.
We're told that "women are more likely to experience abuse
by a partner. For example 1 in 6 women have experienced
physical or sexual violence by a current or former partner
while for men it is 1 in 16.

The Institute writes that every experience of family domestic
or sexual violence is very personal and different. It is most
common for this type of violence to be perpetrated against
women by men.

There's more at the following:

http://aihw.gov.au/family-domestic-and-sexual-violence/resources/fdsv-summary

How is it that we never seem to hear about the psychological incitement from women that causes & precedes domestic violence ?
Anyhow, I hope the adult crime adult time does not overshadow youth crime victim compensation.
The losses due to Youth crime damage must be included in policy making as such losses can impact someone's life quite considerably. It has impacted me do the extent that my aspirations & plans have literally been destroyed & all a magistrate could do is shrug his shoulders when I asked about compensation. Insurance did not cover me for living in remote communities !

I suppose Foxy and the AIHW would say that man died cleaning his rifle was actually an "accident". Even male outcomes with respect to treatable preventable conditions are probably an ignored form of suicide. Women talk about the glass ceiling but there is also a glass ceiling with respect to the longevity of women over men. Maybe this is a form of feminine superiority or micro-aggression. Maybe this is the psycho-political equivalent of putting crushed glass in the husbands dinner.

At some point women will realise that men have it at least as hard as women, and they will start being part of the solution, rather than part of the problem, otherwise it will be a war of attrition to the bottom and destruction of everything, to Marxism's delight.

If women want to be treated equally they need to be equally productive, if they are then they will find that many men will be happy to be in a relationship with them. Some women think that they need to trap men into a "relationship", for their survival.

Life is hard for everyone. Some people do stupid things and then blame the world, sometimes government creates policy in opposition to nature, so that they have an excuse to be authoritarian.

http://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/life-expectancy-deaths/deaths-in-australia/contents/summary#Leadingcausesdeath

The leading cause of death in 25-44 year olds is suicide (accidental poisoning, and transport accidents could also be considered forms of suicide in many cases) and males die at a higher rate than females. Males seem to die at double the rate of females between 25 and 44.

"the age-standardised death rate for those in Very remote areas was 1.6 times the rate of those living in Major cities (770 and 492 deaths per 100,000 population respectively)"

"dementia including Alzheimer’s disease had a lower ranking in Remote and Very remote areas (4th and 6th respectively) compared with Major cities and Regional areas (2nd)"

So it appears that city living is toxic and kills brains

Men may suffer more from stress (higher rates of heart disease) and women suffer from higher rates of dementia (this could be because they live longer or it could be because they think less). But maybe men think less because otherwise they wouldn't accept a higher level of stress than women. If you think more, you won't die of dementia, but you will die of heart disease and stress- maybe there's a happy medium between being stupid and being stressed.

It appears that Australia overall considers that the difference between the death rates of males and females is acceptable, perhaps this is a form of abuse and prejudice against males in those that influence policy as well as health care providers, and in a sense females could be considered to be complicit in the early death of men. Maybe Australia has a toxic anti-male culture.

Major causes of heart disease in Australia include:

Unhealthy diet, physical inactivity, smoking, excessive alcohol consumption, and high blood pressure, High blood cholesterol, overweight and obesity, depression, and social isolation.

"Doctor" The Kudos Kid is trying to link women to men suffering heart disease. Stress in men, which he thinks is caused by women is not one of the primary causes, although any doctor will tell you stress is not a good thing. Maybe the Kudos kid weighs in at a tick over 200kg and smokes 4 packs a day, knocks back a slab every night, eats fast food 7 days a week and can't get out from in front of the telly. Says the wife nagging about his weight and lack of exercise is causing him stress, says "she nags me so much I'm gonna have a heart attack!"

Dear Paul,

I presented data given by the Australian Institute of Health
and Welfare. The given link presents their findings and research,
not mine.

I can't be held responsible for their findings. And as
pointed out in the link - every experience of family domestic
or sexual violence is very personal and different. As are
the causes of abuse and the various perpetrators.

The Institute makes it quite clear that there is currently no
national data on the proportion of Australians who have
perpetuated family domestic and sexual violence. However, we're
told that women are more likely to experience abuse by a
partner. For example, we're told
one in six women have experienced
physical or sexual violence by a current or former partner
while for men it's one in sixteen.

The link explains the many causes of
why abuse takes place and the various perpetrators
according to the Institute's findings.

It's an interesting read.

‘Petrified’: Terrifying incident at family Christmas event
http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/armed-teens-arrested-after-clash-with-police-at-family-xmas-event/news-story/e9c3d2c5025ffc57659bb9dcd9e61b6b
'Police have arrested three teenage boys armed with machetes after clashing with authorities at a family Christmas event.'

"Three machete-wielding teenagers have been arrested and released on bail after clashing with police during a carols by candlelight event in Melbourne.
Police were called to Bayside Carols in Dendy Park in Brighton East on Tuesday about 8.30pm after reports a group of youths armed with machetes were fighting nearby."

* 'released on bail'

Should we put these kids in chains and send them to a work camp for troubled teens?
Pay them fair wages, but take back half for their food, lodgings and access to GOOD counsel.

They want to be big boys?
Make them start acting like ones.
Make them take responsibility for their actions regardless of their troubled upbringings
Help them face up to their less than ideal childhoods.

Here's another rule for that handbook Paul.
The first was for parents, this one's for the kids.
Teach them this:

You are given 2 lives.
1. The life given to you by your parents
(none of us have control over this life)
2. The life you make for yourself.

- Don't let the life given to you by your parents, destroy the life you have to make for yourself.

There you go Paul.
If you put my two rules together, you have one that teaches parents to raise their kids better;
And another that teaches kids to be more well grounded no matter their less than deal upbringings.

- It's not rocket science, it doesn't have to be complicated -

These 2 things would could have a huge impact on both the problems and the outcomes.
You just need to devise a foolproof system that works.
Based on the current outcomes, the social worker apologists may well be creating more harm than good.

Savage Sister
http://x.com/SteveInmanUIC/status/1868055743280357520

Hi AC,

I don't disagree that the problems with youth often stem from problems with the parents and the home environment. There's the rub, you can't tackle the youth problem and hope for success whilst ignoring the parenting problem. Having said that, society can't have people running around with "machetes" causing total mayhem, that's an immediate problem that has to be dealt with in the here and now. If a kid is at the "machete" stage its probably too late for handbooks, parenting advice, youth counselling etc etc.

A Good kids life starts from day one, with good parents, a good home environment, good extended family, good schooling, good friends, an all round good environment. Unfortunately too many children start with a bad everything, which can only lead to a bad outcome. Agree?

I presented data given by the Australian Institute of Health
and Welfare.
Foxy,
Well, yes & no. Such Data is more often than not tabled in a form that favours the bureaudroids more than those they're supposed to be supporting.
It never ever tells the actual facts which are that many women are the initial stirrers & it is their selfish desires & wants that send many men over the edge. It is then re-worded as domestic violence. It is never described as psychological violence towards men.
A liitle balancing facts would help a lot more than googling for excuses to then be portrayed as men-wrong-doing !

Data can't be ignored when there's so much of it
and is evidence based and verifiable. Facts will always
prove us wrong .

Still, as they say - bias is in the eyes of the beholder.

All I can do is present the findings as given.

All I can do is present the findings as given.
Foxy,
Perhaps you should seek seek information from less self-interest focussed sources
occasionally ?

Indyvidual,

I always seek information from a variety of sources.
Not just the ones you support and agree with your
version of things.

Try it some time.

H Paul,
"Unfortunately too many children start with a bad everything, which can only lead to a bad outcome. Agree?"
- Yes a lot of them do, and don't have much of anything good.
Take this for example: today.

Girl, 15, behind deadly school shooting which killed student and teacher, officials say
http://www.9news.com.au/world/wisconsin-shooting-updates-five-dead-including-child-after-us-christian-school-shooting/22b9302f-93c4-4658-a05b-836d43a89fb6

More details and manifesto here:
http://x.com/Slatzism/status/1868860906265837854

- Her 6 page manifesto was titled "War Against Humanity."
- In her manifesto, she spoke about having extremely difficult relationship with her parents, who she referred to as "scum."
- She also claims her family didn't love her or want her, and expresses feeling like the "wrong child" of her family.
- She says she had planned to commit suicide a long time ago, but felt committing a shooting was “better for evolution rather than just one stupid boring suicide.”

Would my 2 rules have changed things?
- Parents that ensured her physical and emotional wellbeing?
- An understanding to 'Not let the live you're given ruin the life you make for yourself'

Certainly wouldn't have done any harm, and may very well have helped prevent a tragedy.
Poor kid needed help, but now other people had to pay a price too;
- Not a good outcome for anyone.

Why are they paying these so-called experts the big dollars if they're incapable of getting the outcomes we all want?

Hi AC,

I don't disagree that the problems with youth often stem from problems with the parents and the home environment. There's the rub, you can't tackle the youth problem and hope for success whilst ignoring the parenting problem. Having said that, society can't have people running around with "machetes" causing total mayhem, that's an immediate problem that has to be dealt with in the here and now. If a kid is at the "machete" stage its probably too late for handbooks, parenting advice, youth counselling etc etc.

A Good kids life starts from day one, with good parents, a good home environment, good extended family, good schooling, good friends, an all round good environment. Unfortunately too many children start with a bad everything, which can only lead to a bad outcome. Agree?
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 17 December 2024 5:29:04 AM

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=10516#366545

I think Paul1405 has just described classical fascism that is along with Marxism is derived from Hegelianism. Apparently fascism believes that the traditional social structures (such as the family, community, group identity) and defense of those structures are critical for a stable society. Marxism on the other hand believes that these structures need to be destroyed in the name of global equality centred on state control by "benevolent academics".

In a sense geopolitics has crystalized into a battle between theoretical academic Marxist's and practical business Libertarian's. Traditionalist's are relegated to the margins.

In a sense the battle between Marxism and Capitalism is the battle between Asia and Europe which Machiavelli discussed in The Prince when he compared Turkish Government of rotating officals with the French Governing aristocratic subsidiarity based system.

The Asian system is much more centralized and authoritarian than the European subsidiarity based system of government- even though Marxism often claims to be less authoritarian.

Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged makes specific reference to the childrens loss of respect of parents and authorities and society when society is de-identified and de-territorialized

When Marxism destroys identity it's difficult for parents to create a vision for the children and their place in society and the world, as well as the behavior that leads to success. If nothing matters it doesn't matter how the children behave. The Greeks talked about Logos (logic), Pathos (feeling), Ethos (morals), Telos (purpose). One of the tactics that Marxism uses to destroy identity is multiculturalism, but Libertarianism also uses multiculturalism because it believes that productivity and money is more important to survival than identity. There are strangely elements of Marxism that are similar to Libertarianism.

This is especially true when children from broken non-European societies are inserted into European schools.

One duty of a civilization is to give their young purpose

It's logical that children should be sociopathic or psychopathic when society is pathological or apathetic to them. Expect to see more of this emerging social archetype.

Hi Canem Malem,
Well it kind of seems to make sense, but I'm just not cluey enough on the in's and out's of all those particular topics.
Maybe I should dig into them since I've pretty much pushed the previous Jewish / Israel topic to somewhat of a conclusion and there's no need to push that any further;
Everyone more or less knows where I'm at.
I certainly don't wish to bring the forum or Graham Young into disrepute or turn others away, and I've gotten to have my say well and truly - and so I'm grateful for that.

Thanks Armchair Critic for your comments. There is the issue of preventing Marxist and other types of censorship and self-censorship, maintaining the integrity of the analysis from different perspectives, as well as presenting the material in a form that normal people can access, rather than disempowering academic or ideological double speak. Often the global academic aristocracy claims to empower the people but doesn't, and doesn't trust the people.

It appears that Eric Schmidt and Google has been using it's market power to censor the internet. The recent scandal with Google Gemini is an example of this. I suppose that everyone has their own particular brand of bigotry.

Hi AC,

Carrols In The Park, this Saturday, pissing down rain here at the moment, hopefully it will continue until Saturday and flood the park, giving it a real "festive atmosphere". Folks can think of the rain as melted snow. The guys on day release from the Supamax will be performing some of the old favorites, including "The 12 Murders at Xmas" (with live action taking place in the audience) you'll just love it, btw bring your own knife and gun as the bikie gang organisers will not be suppling like they did last year, they need those for their own protection. Santa will arriving about 9pm with booze for the adults, and drugs for the little ones! I can't wait!

Hi Paul,
Yes it's been raining here for a few days now.
My 200m long downward sloping driveway gets trenched out every year from the force of running water, sometimes it becomes impassable.
- not to mention we pay about $400 a quarter for water. [rolls eyes]

Yes the parks are going to be muddy slush.
You're always good for a laugh, I don't care what they say
- I'm not sure I'd put all the old-timers into the ball and chain prison work gang though [smile]

Hey Canem Malum,
I hear Elon Musks Grok comes out with some strange responses as well

Hi AC,

"we pay about $400 a quarter for water" yah the 2 of us on 500m2, 3 beds, we go through about 35 to 40 k/lt a quarter, a little above the Brisbane average (5 k/lt on a weekend if the family visit, those grandkids and showers, 16 towels to wash after they've left). The ball and chain stuff take that with a grain of salt.

"Yes the parks are going to be muddy slush." We can only hope, almost better than snow. Nothing like mud and slush to set the tone for a traditional Christmas.

Very busy with 200 Xmas Hampers, a bit of a fizz today with only about 70 coming in, hope for a better response on Friday. I know some people are doing it tough, but there are some generous folk out there. Talking earlier last week to a couple of young business people, (both under age 30) who run a local retail. Casually mentioned we were waiting on an order through Woolies for 200 1lt LL Custards, about $800 worth. Within an hour the two girls were back with the 200 custards and 200 1lt LL Milk's as well, over $1000 worth. When I contacted the manager at Woolworth he said "Someone came in a paid for and picked up your order."..I said "Did they also buy 200 milk as well"...."Yes" he said All thanks to a couple of young people and their generosity.

Armchair Critic- I'm sure everyone comes out with strange stuff. But I think that Elon Musk is part of the solution rather than the problem of the town square.

It's easy to see why youth crime is on the rise !

It's hard to know what to think about Musk,
I certainly agree with you that X is a far more free speech wild-west of a platform now than the woke tightly regulated platform it was as twitter.

But even some things on there surprise me.
http://x.com/VasiliD72739/status/1869446582074053044

Obviously he's a Department of Defense contractor with Space X.
He and Trump have ties to Peter Thiel (Palantir)
Musk and Thiel previously founded Paypal.

Palantir: the ‘special ops’ tech giant that wields as much real-world power as Google
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/30/palantir-peter-thiel-cia-data-crime-police

>>Peter Thiel’s CIA-backed, data-mining firm honed its ‘crime predicting’ techniques against insurgents in Iraq. The same methods are now being sold to police departments. Will they inflame already tense relations between the public and the police?

In Minority Report, the 2002 movie adaptation of the Philip K Dick novel, Tom Cruise plays a police officer in the LAPD “pre-crime” unit. Using the premonitions of sentient mutants called “pre-cogs”, the police are able to predict when someone is going to commit a crime before it happens, swooping down from helicopters and arresting them on the street before they can do anything. Their “crime” is that they merely thought about it.

Palantir, the CIA-backed startup, is Minority Report come true. It is all-powerful, yet no one knows it even exists. Palantir does not have an office, it has a “SCIF” on a back street in Palo Alto, California. SCIF stands for “sensitive compartmentalised information facility”.<<

With Little Fanfare, William Barr Formally Announces Orwellian Pre-Crime Program
http://www.mintpressnews.com/william-barr-formally-announces-orwellian-pre-crime-program/262504/

Peter Thiel: From Gaza AI War Criminal To White House Puppet Master
http://www.mintpressnews.com/peter-thiel-gaza-ai-war-white-house/288372/

Google 'Trump and Palantir'

[cont.] Canem Malum

Here's another X post that raised eyebrows
I saw the original a few days back, now it has several million views.
I'm not sure it's been taken down by X but I think X algorithms have hidden to prevent more views.

http://x.com/RedPillMediaX/status/1869480301350863029

Almost makes me wonder whether under the guise of 'free speech', they're deliberately allowing people to speak freely, but really it's a data mining operation and they're gathering data on citizens to figure out who's on Santa's naughty and nice list in whatever particular categories that suit their intelligence operations.

It's not beyond the imagination to think that good things have nefarious reasons behind them, because that's the world we live in these days.

I can't find the original 'Hitler deserves an apology post'
But the guy that posted it had an assassination attempt on his life yesterday.

Free speech is fine until someone is offended.
There's a lot of stuff which might be considered hateful or inciteful here, but what if some of it's true and holds merit.
https://x.com/RedPillMediaX

- The real issue is where free speech and truth collide.
http://x.com/RedPillMediaX/status/1869635468020887667

Sorry for going off topic.

Makes you wonder whether the real issue isn't harm to kids, and it isn't misinfo or disinfo, it's about creating a pretext to censor the truth, and identify anyone who represents a risk to the governing class by sharing or promoting the truth, and anything else that goes against the official government narrative, which could lead to civil unrest.

Armchair Critic- As they say...

Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas. - Stalin

Stalin had a lot of enemies...

Of course the intelligence community is watching social media and using bots. But they use social media for their purposes and we use it for ours. In theory the intelligence community shouldn't be involved in politics, they shouldn't be collecting data on people if it interferes with the democratic process, so their activities are mutually exclusive, in practice, if they push too hard they expose themselves.

The intelligence community doesn't want to be exposed as an Australian / western Stazi.

Perhaps Marxist's have long since infiltrated intelligence communities, and they need to change their hiring and filtering practices. Operational Security.

The intelligence community is subject to human failings just like everyone else. Maybe the prisoners are really running the gaol.

Musashi says that everyone assumes that a person in a house is a fortified enemy, rather than a scared mouse.

Perspective relativism.

I did some research recently on what would be required to remove a serving leader for treason in different Anglo nations- PM, President, etc. I think it would be very tricky in practice. In theory it would be easier in Australia as the Governor General can make the decision (assuming there is evidence, but there is always plausible deniability), rather than in the US where it needs to be a joint sitting perhaps.

Apparently ASIO has made several warnings to government about security risks that government has ignored, does this constitute treason??

Anyway our intelligence community appears leaky.

Though I'm sure they have the ability to intimidate Australian's if they feel inclined.

I think there is some indication the Australian intelligence community is being used to punish political enemies (including state level counter terrorism police).

"PRX Partidul Romanilor de pe X" seems to be a big supporter of, what the Marxist's would call, "The Black White Supremacist" Candice Owens.

The Marxist's are going to label "PRX" as Nazi anyway, so they own it, also perhaps some concepts (such as Hebrew conflict with other communities) without introducing Nazi's, so they introduce Nazi's up front to head off the accusations. There's no point in dropping the Nazi bomb if it's already gone off.

If there can be good and bad people, and good and bad organisations, then there can be good and bad cultures.

Culture is like software and genetics is like hardware- there is a link between the software and the hardware, just the same as there is a link between ethnic genetics and culture.

My view is that the west needs to try to decrease it's reliance on oil and move to nuclear- not for green reasons- but because it ties us to the mideast. Eventually we will move to fusion as it comes online.

We will still need oil for many reasons, but if something happens we still need to be able to function. Our involvement in the mideast has become a monkey trap that is just getting tighter. The UK was almost destroyed by it.

The Israeli situation and the other mideast positions are a suck. It emboldens certain groups in the US in government, and many corporate sectors. US society has at times become like "Godfather- The Series"- the people have lost control of their own country. That's what happens when you let squatters into your house.

Little has changed in the mideast in 50 years but the west has become more vulnerable due to the mideast. It's almost like a longer term Vietnam. The UK played "The Great Game" with Russia in the mideast and India in the 1800's.

Perhaps some concepts (such as Hebrew conflict with other communities) are difficult to discuss without someone introducing Nazi's, so they introduce Nazi's up front to head off the accusations. There's no point in Hebrew's dropping the Nazi bomb if it's already gone off.

Hebrew's commonly mention Nazi's whenever they are criticized.

Blamestorming as opposed to Brainstorming... Hebrew Stormtroopers ... (using 4chan meme evolution)

Anyway... the current situation in Gaza is just the latest installment in the drama.

The Kudos Kid has once more strayed off into Gaga Land, Hebrews, Nazi's Youth Crime, I fail to see the connection. As they say; "That's what drugs do to you."

Paul1405,
Glad you drew attention to drugs as they are the Nr 1 problem facing Australian society & Australia's children in particular.
Drug riddled parents & drug abusing bureaudroids make up a most dreadful scenario & the biggest hurdle for the upbringing of children by adults with that mentality !

What a screwed up world.
And it's going to get a whole lot more screwed up yet.
Screwed up by design.

Look where multiculturalism and freedom of religion got the UK.
We're all occupied captured nations.

People better wake up.

I am beginning to enjoy reading the posts on this
forum. I don't agree with some of them - but instead
of judging as I have done. I'm finding that if I
allow myself to think about diverse issues and
opinions, ones that may not agree with my own, I may
learn something new. Something I had not considered
previously.

It can be useful and part of a learning process once
we burrow beneath things. It can provide a clearer
view of the bigger picture.

Anyway, in Melbourne today - it's a good day.
And being closer to Christmas - I am feeling positive.
And, today - my cooking begins. A busy time ahead.

Indy,

From my experience I find alcohol a major problem, as is illicit drugs. The long term effects of both can be devastating, they ruin some peoples lives forever. My most recent experience was with a homeless bloke sleeping rough around our centre. Generally if such people "keep to the rules" these's not much of a problem. This bloke went over the road to the BWS store and got himself 3 longnecks. One of the women asked if I'd have a word as he was rather drunk, in a state of depression, likely to cause trouble. I spoke with him, asked that he take to booze and move somewhere else, I said calmly; I'll give you 5 minutes to pack up and go somewhere else."...Gave him 10 minutes, then he moved out, but he only went back to the BWS store and got 3 more long necks and retuned back to his drinking. The woman who spoke first off call the coppers, one and a half hours later they turned up, moved him out to the park opposite, 3 hours later he was back sleeping on the veranda.

Paul1405,
I agree with your post however, I'm more leaning towards authority failing the young generally. Today's kids aren't allowed to do anything outdoors anymore & when they they slip & do something illegal the authorities fail to discipline them ! Authorities as in do-gooder social engineers & corrupt bureaucrats & education unions !