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Australia Must Spend More On Defence

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Calls for increased spending on militarism as one old fella believes in, is daft! Saying Australia should double military spending, that's about another $45 billion, I ask where is the money coming from, cuts to non productive over bloated aged welfare would seem an obvious starting point. And what should Australia spend these extra billons on? A couple of battle ships.

Trumpsters cry foul over China, its trade with the 'Big Kahuna', Dangerous Doctor Donald, thinks America's lack of competitiveness, skill and innovation compared to China and others can been solved with a tariff war. Such a war would see the already failing American economy slide into recession, if not another outright American inspired world depression.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 16 November 2024 6:04:31 PM
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"The US took over from Britain to ensure and police this movement of goods free from national or piratical interference. The entire Australian economic system relies on it. We therefore rely on the continued western policing of the oceans over which our exports (and imports) travel.

So we have to support the US hegemony for our own economic survival. We've seen a small example of what happens when the US decides to not police the oceans in the Red Sea and the effect that's had on Asian-European trade."

You're a bit of a numpty aren't you.
Our economic survival does not rely on the policeman, when the policeman wants to curtain that trade, for their own hegemony.

Do you even know about U.S war plans to confront China?
If you did - numpty - you'd know that U.S. war plans INTEND to blockade Chinas sea trade.

So if you think you know something, well it turns out you're just a clueless moron.

Let me dig up the details for you numpty, not that I expect you will invest any time learning something, because most likely you won't.

US War on China is a War on the Entire World
http://youtu.be/nHYSkm9Jl-g

Hello Anybody Home? Think McFly Think
http://youtu.be/JhJGOYJo9mM
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 16 November 2024 9:15:37 PM
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"And, we need to start manufacturing essentials again."
- You expect me to buy a $70 Australian made toaster when it's no better than the $12 Chinese made one from Kmart or Big W?
Maybe the government can subsidise the toaster factory to the tune of a billion dollars to ensure these important (but pointless) jobs?

You expect Aussies to pay 3 or 4 times the price to secure an Aussie job in a cost of living crisis, you're dreaming.
Aussies will fight you for the $12 Chinese made toaster.

'Race to the bottom'

- And the yanks aren't going to sell you a cheaper toaster either, FYI.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 16 November 2024 9:31:19 PM
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I challenge you to identify just one single item that Australians can manufacture more cheaply than the Chinese?
- And what's your plan - make Aussies pay more for that product?

Let's take EV's and solar panels for example.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/14/fact-sheet-president-biden-takes-action-to-protect-american-workers-and-businesses-from-chinas-unfair-trade-practices/

"The tariff rate on electric vehicles under Section 301 will increase from 25% to 100% in 2024.

With extensive subsidies and non-market practices leading to substantial risks of overcapacity, China’s exports of EVs grew by 70% from 2022 to 2023—jeopardizing productive investments elsewhere. A 100% tariff rate on EVs will protect American manufacturers from China’s unfair trade practices.

The tariff rate on solar cells (whether or not assembled into modules) will increase from 25% to 50% in 2024.

The tariff increase will protect against China’s policy-driven overcapacity that depresses prices and inhibits the development of solar capacity outside of China. China has used unfair practices to dominate upwards of 80 to 90% of certain parts of the global solar supply chain, and is trying to maintain that status quo. Chinese policies and nonmarket practices are flooding global markets with artificially cheap solar modules and panels, undermining investment in solar manufacturing outside of China."

Chinese PV giant sets new world record for solar cell efficiency amid China’s push for green devt
http://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202311/1301156.shtml#:~:text=China%27s%20solar%20energy%20giant%20LONGi,to%20its%20green%20development%20push.

BYD’s $10,000 Seagull EV was the top-selling car in China last month
http://electrek.co/2024/09/18/byds-10k-seagull-ev-top-selling-car-china-last-month/

The west cannot compete, all you're doing is forcing your own consumers to pay more for inferior products.

Think about if your a small business, and you have to front up a 100% tariff on your business vehicle just to play, you're not winning - you're disadvantaged and sinking deeper into the quicksand.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 16 November 2024 9:47:03 PM
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Australia has to rely on the US - if they will have us!

We are going backwards because, unlike the US, we don't have political options. We have two Left-wing parties. Sure, there are a few conservatives in the Liberal Party; but the majority are as wet as water. The current leader of the opposition is weak and unappealing; the best idea he can come up with is nuclear power in the name of stupid Net Zero, totally ignoring the fossil fuels that used to provide us with cheap power and industry. He opposes the M.A.D Bill, but will bring in his own version if elected, and he supports digital ID, and removing parental control over what their kids see. He is anti-family and loves Big Government as much as Albanese does. He likes Big Australia, just like Albanese does, so the lack of housing, infrastructure, health care and all the things we used to have would still be missing under a Coalition government.

Dutton is different from Albanese only in hair. He has the personality of a strainer post; and all the attributes that have had the Communist dictator, Xi, announce what a good leader Albanese is, and how all Western leaders should be like him. How low we have come when our PM is praised by a Communist thug!

God help us. Our uniparty politicians won't. On second thoughts, God helps those who try to help themselves, and Australians are not doing that with the their Liberal-Labor-Greens voting laziness.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 17 November 2024 7:25:35 AM
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If the M.A.D Bill is not stopped by the Senate, it will be another rift between Australia and America. Trump has said that he won't be kind to countries that are not pro-free speech.

Hanging on to Net Zero will be another no-no. Interestingly, Net Zero and unreliable wind and solar received a right old thrashing at Cop29 in Azerbaijan among the fewer people who continue to attend the farce.

And, something about the stupidity of off-shore windmills you are unlikely to hear on the MSM: I heard a remark on independent media last night suggesting that these things along the coast will, and do, interfere with equipment warning of incoming missiles. I don't know any more than that; whether it is right or wrong; but it should be made public and talked about. Perhaps Bowen might have a view that he could share with us. Bowen hasn't been heard from much lately, as his ridiculous “transition” to unreliables gets sillier and sillier.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 17 November 2024 7:52:50 AM
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