Donald Trump may well be the next US President.
His alleged mental disorders have now become
popular discussion pastimes not only amongst mental
disorder professionals, but politicians, journalists,
comedians, and ordinary people.

His constant bizarre sayings and behaviour have triggered
suggestions to establish a commission on "presidential
capacity.' That a president can be removed from office
via the 25th amendment on the grounds he's mentally unfit
to be president. Of course that may be difficult to prove
and very few people would want to set this precedent.

Many Americans may think that Trump is unfit for office,
but is he nuts? Or is he a ruthless self-promoter, with
considerable cunning and a poster-boy for narcissism?
Is he crazy like a fox?

Would you like someone like him as our Prime Minister?
Someone who goes against the rules?

Hi Foxy,

The Dangerous Doctor Donald appears to be suffering from something, but what it is is hard to tell. Me thinks the Yanks got Donald out of the asylum next to the old folks home they got Joe out of. You ask the question;

Would you like someone like him (dangerous Doctor Donald) as our Prime Minister? Oh No! Definitely No! No Way! I hope I don't sound to undecided.

We have several TRUMPSTER'S among the Forum's 'Usual Suspects' I'm sure they'll be along shortly to sing the praises of Dangerous Doctor Donald.

Looking at past US Presidents, starting with George "Crackers" Washington, me thinks the Yanks deserve another four years of Trumpsterism and all the mayhem that entails. Trumpsterism is a political philosophy based on the teachings of Scrooge McDuck, a brand of Capitalism run on the lines of the game show "Blankety Blanks" Hosted by Graham Kennedy! It was very successful in the Land Of Nod until the citizens woke up and realised they were living the life of lunatics!

To be fair, Trump does have good and bad policies, and he also has good and bad character traits.

With that in mind when you say 'someone like Donald Trump' what exactly are we talking about?
Someone with your bias Foxy is probably highlighting and opposed to what you see a
negative character traits and policies and would vote against him over his opponent and are ignoring what someone else sees as positive character traits and policies and the reason why they would vote FOR him over his opponent.

Ultimately 'someone like him'...
Is it even about Donald Trump himself or about your sides biases versus the other sides biases?

Does it not come down to policy positions themselves, with many different topics to individually sorrort and oppose as much as a personality contest?

Also some things you see as negative traits someone else might see as a positive trait.
I for like the fact that Trump has have been afraid to decide things for himself, and speak up frankly whenever necessary.

I would certainly like someone like Donald Trump as Prime Minister rather than the communistic little runt we have now. The only problem would be that the Westminster system wouldn't accommodate someone like Trump.

It is that communistic little runt we should be concerning ourselves with, not foreign politicians we have no say in.

There are too many galahs in Australia obsessing about Donald Trump and ignoring our own disastrous government: the worst since Federation, but protected by a hard Left mainstream media.

Way back in 1956, Ayn Rand wrote that we were approaching a time where governments could do as they please, and the rest of us would need their permission to do anything.

It has taken some time, but Australia now seems to be almost there, starting with the Covid lock downs and house arrests - no vaccine, no job - and now the threat of no cash (so they can watch what you spend on what, and close your account if they choose); censor what you say online, and collect all your data centrally to control your lives totally, just like Communist China.

This has all occurred before the end of the Albanese government’s first term in office.

But, you keep gobbing off about Donald Trump until the reality of future life in Australia smacks you in the gob.

Let me make something clear. When I asked the question -
Would you want someone like Donald Trump as Prime Minister?
I added the statement - someone who breaks the rules.
Meaning that the rule of law is something we abide by in this
country.

Of course Donald Trump has good traits as well as ones we
can criticize. As we all do. My intention in starting this
discussion was to garner opinions seeing as the man may well
be the next leader of a country who is one of our closest
allies. I hope this discussion won't turn into a slanging
match against either the man, or ourselves.

OK. I'll start:

The Politico magazine tells us that -

Most of us will remember the Trump presidency as a four
year storm of tweets, rallies, and on air rants that
ended in a mob riot and a historic 2nd impeachment
and controversy.

But we're told that there was more to the Trump presidency
than attention hogging politics, drama, and conflict.

Trump and his administration actually did succeed in
changing some of the ways Washington works.

From imposing a ban on Chinese made drones to rolling
back rules on sexual harassment, from cracking down
on robotcalls to letting states legalize marijuana.
Trump changed some key areas of federal policy
in ways that may have lasting impact well after he's
gone.

There's more at the following:

http://politico.com/news/magazine/2021/01/18/trump-presidency-administration-biggest-impact-policy-analysis-451479

A few of the things that Australians should be concerned about well before bothering themselves with other countries and their politicians. Things that make us look pathetically weak in the eyes of China and other totalitarian countries eying us off.

. Multiculturalism instead of assimilation and respect for the dominant culture
. Mass immigration of people who hate Western values
. The climate emergency scam ruining our economy
. Swapping cheap fossil fuel for expensive unreliable windmills and solar panels
. Indulgence of race-baiters and extreme Left activists
. Obsessions with transgenderism, alphabet people, rainbow flags and pronouns
. The increasing acceptance of puberty blockers for children experiencing sexual dysphoria
. Mutilation of young bodies, often regretted at an older age
. The idiocy that anything is going to change a person’s sex
. Same sex marriage
. Spending on NDIS near to outdoing defence spending (reduced just in the last few days)

That's just the most serious short list.

cont'd :

Many Australians are following the US 2024 Presidential
election between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Trump's
reality TV approach to politics makes it hard to not
watch the news. Many of us are concerned about the
consequences for Australia.

But regardless of whether it will be Trump or Biden who wins
the Presidency the party that controls the US Congress will
decide foreign policy. The President may lead, but Congress
can impede.

Under the US Constitution, Congress has considerable authority
to push back against a president. Which typically happens
when a rival party controls a chamber.

We're told that Trump has no special animosity towards
Australia, like he does Europe. Australia's AUKUS deal
should be safe as it appears to benefit US domestic workers
and the defence industry. Therefore Trump would get
push back from Congress if he tried to renege.

These are good odds that the US will fundamentally not
change its relationship with allies like Australia.
Which just may be the best news during a time of disunity
in the US.

Foreign policy is so important. It would be unwise to
concentrate only on internal politics.

Our foreign policy:

helps Australia to adjust to external economic shocks
such as financial crises or an economic slow down in
our major trading partners which affects us domestically.
Foreign policy also helps to better position the country
to invest in substantial defence, security, and foreign policy
capabilities necessary to safeguard our interests.

Having a foreign policy is how a country uses different
strategies to guide its relationships with other countries and
international relationships. This means that foreign policy
is made up of different global issues, of relationships with
other countries and it affects - even domestic politics.

Vital for us in this region - when there are so many threats.

It's not about Trump as the Lefties are trying to twist it to, it's about revenue makers vs revenue wasters & Trump is for the former, git or no git !

I will be pleased if Trumpy returns to the White House, America deserves him.

ttbn, there you are singing straight from the Lovely Pauline's songbook. Those items on your list are all things Hanson has banged on about over the years, all straight out of far right field.

The claims about Trump's mental acumen are only being raised to try to distract from the utter breakdown in his opponent's mental capacity. The US has spent three years having a president who is clearly mentally bereft but where the media has worked assiduously to hide it. Now all of a sudden they want to talk about the 25th Amendment. Go figure!

Remember that a special council looking into Biden's taking of classified documents found that he was likely guilty but so senile that it would be useless to prosecute. It found that he was incapable of understanding the issue, couldn't remember when, where or how his own son died or when he was VP!! But they want to talk about Trump's capacity?

A bit more on the most powerful man on the planet... http://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1776812683162988793

It's hard to know if he straight up lies or really just doesn't recall.

Trump won't win. The current US elite or so utterly corrupt that they can't afford for someone else to get the reigns of power and starting turning over the rocks. Not just Biden but most of the Democrat and never-Trump Republican leadership. But especially Biden.

They have allowed millions of illegals to enter the country and are currently illegally signing them up to vote. They'll vote and then the fact that it was invalid will be covered up. Trump's only chance of winning is if he gets a 10-15% lead over Biden (or whoever runs) which might be enough to overcome the margin of cheating.

Talking to friends and family in the US over Easter
the general consensus amongst many seems to be that
they are wary of Trump. They suspect that he will tear
the US Constitution and US democracy to shreds to suit
his ends if that means he's not a "loser."
One of his favourite words.

It worries them that he lashes out at his enemies,
calls them names. They don't think he's a reliable leader.
He's too unpredictable. His behaviour is erratic.

They don't even like the image he projects of the
orange-faced Messiah. They regard him as a malignant
narcissist. They point to videos of Trump rallies.
They recall Trump's attempts to take advantage
of others to get what he wants. Like putting pressure
on a vice-president to overturn an election.

And blaming others for his own bad behaviour.

And there's much more.

In the US winning at all costs matters.
So I'm not sure if Trump won't win.
There's all kinds of attempts to slur Joe
Biden. I feel that the man is only
running to keep Trump out of office. And,
if Biden does win, I suspect he shall
resign not long after and leave the office
to his deputy.

The claims of election fraud were dispelled at the last
election. Of course if Trump does lose they shall be
brought up again even more fiercely.

Personally I am looking forward to the US
Presidential election. My husband and I have
seen the system at work several times. It does
get very exciting. Americans do showmanship
very well. I'd love to be there to see it all
first-hand just one more time.

And this one promises to be spectacular.

"The claims of election fraud were dispelled at the last election."

Well that's very true for those who didn't look too closely at the claims. Of course, an honest investigation shows that the election was badly rigged. But there have been precious few honest investigations. Where there was obvious evidence, it was hidden...

http://twitter.com/realLizUSA/status/1775886672611217738

This election is the last best chance for the US to save its democracy short of civil war. Should the cabal that runs the government and controls Biden-Harris continue in power for a further 4 years, the US democracy shan't recover.

The millions of illegals will be made citizens and the electoral laws altered to ensure fraud is easy or easier than now. The weaponisation of the alphabet agencies (CIA, FBI, DHS, IRS etc) against all dissent will be complete and overwhelming.

The ramifications for Australia's democracy will be profound. A world where there is no major function democracy other than a few small countries on the periphery will be a world where Australia's democracy will be constantly strained.

As I said, there is little chance of Trump winning and therefore little chance that the US democratic experiment will survive. Dark times for our descendants.

Mental illness is certainly present here, in this post, but not in Donald Trump, who has proved his worth once, and will hopefully do it again. He is the only leader with the ability and the balls to make the enemies of the West to back off.

Talking about mental illness?

If any of us met a person on the street ranting about
anything the way Trump rants about everything, we'd
cross the street, not vote him into the highest
office in the land.

Still, it's our choice, I guess.
Each to his own.

To dream a dream that turns into a nightmare for some and a glimmer of hope for others.
'Mental Illness'? we all have it in one form or another as we scramble around looking for yet another panacea that will help us avoid reality.
The US is a dying entity trying furiously to maintain some semblance of relativity while insisting that continuously shooting itself in the foot is some sort of holistic therapy that needs to be applied.
Whilst the US individual still commands some benefit of doubt, the collective is well and truly 'effed'.
There is no point to teaching today's students right from wrong if they're to discover it was all a farce, not to mention that their anger and disappointment is going to be directed toward their peers.
Australians are forever looking for a benefactor whereas after WW2 it should have learn't how to stand on it's own.

Hi Special Delivery,

Well said.

"If any of us met a person on the street ranting about
anything the way Trump rants about everything, we'd
cross the street, "

Whereas you'd rush up and embrace Biden?

Well in your case, probably yes. But if you've got any young kids with you at the time, I'd keep them well away from the 'sniffer-in-chief'.

Donald Trump continues to prove that he has all his faculties. Joe Biden continues to prove that he has lost many of his faculties.

Joe is simply not fit for office, and it is a great cruelty that he is allowed - even encouraged - to run again.

He's the same age as I am, for heaven's sake! Old. Sure, he is said to have been OK'd cognitively, but he is OK only for the average of his age, not the rest of the community, and certainly not as leader of the free world.

Donald Trump, three years younger, should be making this his last run, too. Joe shouldn't be running at all. And I say this not in a derogatory manner, but as someone of the same age, who knows his natural limitations, and doesn't have someone political nasty pissing in his pocket.

Hi Foxy,

If Dangerous Doctor Donald fails to get the gig again in November, me thinks we should kick out Albo and invite Donald to be Australian President for Life. He could appoint all the Forum Trumpsters, mhaze, ttbn, shadowminister, Indyvidual, as his Cabinet Ministers, If he needs more "talent" then Goofy and Daffy Duck could be roped in. I know there could be a woman like the Lovely Pauline who wants in, but remember Donald's policy "No Chicks Allowed!" (unless they're good look'n).

Was it Abbott's Cabinet that had only one token woman, When asked why, the Mad Monk replied; "Fella, we're not chauvinist in the NOALITION, of course there has to be a woman in Cabinet....Who else is going to make and serve the TEA!...what a dumb question!"....."Bronnie darl, be a pet, milk and 2 sugar's for me, ask the other chaps what they want..make it snappy, and by the way put some make-up on before you come to the next cabinet meeting, you are such a sight!"

Trump usually skirts the age issue.

That makes sense as Trump is 77. Only a few years younger
than Biden. Whether this is to avoid drawing attention to
his own age or to avoid offending his base, which skews
older, Trump has rarely directly attacked Biden on the
issue, choosing instead to focus on the President's
gaffes.

While Trump's critics focus on the former president's
own campaign trail gaffes as evidence of his own
unfitness for office.

Quite a few Americans are concerned about Trump's
mental and physical fitness to hold office and
61% are also concerned about the former president's
legal troubles.

Many are also concerned about Biden's age.

So there we have it.
What a choice!

I expect Biden will soon resign if elected.
With Trump, they may have to shoot him to
remove him from office.

Hi Paul,

Actually Trump with his orange-face and fairy floss
hair would certainly fit in with the Bronwyn Bishop
crowd. He could also be given a knighthood perhaps?

Talk about misinformation and personal hate, all demonstrated here. Australia is going down the same Woke agenda as America - Socialist lunacy. We finish with the 3% Kamala Harris, as President.

1.Historic Inflation crisis
2.Botched Afghanistan withdrawal
3.New Record gas prices in 50 States
4.Lowest test scores of year K to 12
5.Highst Vacations of any recent President
6.7.2 million illegal border crossings
7.Prolonged supply chain shortages
8.lowest petroleum storage on record
9.Weaponising federal Government on political opponents.
10.Crimalising Christian Churches and pro-life families
ONE AMAZING DICTATOR.

Josephus,

Don't be so hard on Trump.

You spoke about socialism?

Are you suggesting a socialist utopia?

From 4 day weeks to unconditional basic income to free
education. Is it even possible to imagine a future where
society's focus would move from consumption to quality
of life?

Can we really provide for nearly everyone with a better
life and more opportunities to pursue their own path to
happiness than we have today?

I didn't know you were such an optimist.

Talking about old age:

I read about some old people at weddings who would always poke
a young bloke and say - "You're next." So he finally started
doing the same thing to them at funerals.
(smile).

All the so called outrageous things Pr Trump was said, to have said, were cherry picked by the media, and edited to change the context of what and why he said something.

For instance. Pr Trump recently said. If Biden went ahead with his policies it would cause a “Bloodbath” in the car industry. Meaning– there would be a collapse in the car industry.

The media edited the video and ran headlines across America, that Trump had said. “ If he won government there would be a bloodbath.”

The media has done this, since Pr Trump first became an opponent to Biden and the entrenched politicians, who are funded by the Wealthy Elites.

It is really the wealthy Globalists Corporations, and people who own the Banks etc. like The WEF and DAVOS Groups. They own and fund most TV channels and 95% of the Newspapers.

They can't control PR Trump with their campaign funds and money because Pr Trump ran, especially in 2016. using his own money.

Pr Trump set about restoring prosperity and jobs for the American workers which the wealthy were destroying prefering to keep the money flowing to the very wealthy at the top.

Pres Trump is right when he says. “It is really you! the citizens they want to control. I'm just standing in their way”

All the chaos and disruption that occured under Pr Trump. was caused by the DEMOCRATS and their wealthy Money Donors,, Weaponizing the law and drumming up constant investigations trying to take PR Trump
out of the picture.
It would have actually been very peaceful under Pr Trump
Biden and the left caused all the chaos.
They would do the same to any opponent. be it Ron De’Santis. Robert Kennedy.

My only concern with who is US President is the impact it has on world piece, I have little interest in the domestic politics of the United States. Post WWII America and the world has suffered because of a succession of mediocre men holding the office. There has been glimpses of talent from time to time but generally US Presidents have been rather incompetent, the names Reagan and Carter are two that stand out in that department, but certainly not limited to that pair of fools alone.

BTW, I view Biden and Trump as both carrying on the grand American tradition of incompetent leadership!

Good Morning CHERFUL,

Welcome back to posting. So good to see you back.
Your opinion's been missed.

I have to admit there's a few things about the former
president that bother me. - for which no one else
can be held responsible except himself.

His attempts to take advantage of others to get what
he wants, for example pressuring a vice-president
to try to overturn an election. Blaming others for
their own bad behaviour. Displaying an inflated sense
of self and the total lack of ability to self-regulate.
Lieing in public so many times over the 4 years.

Also he never shows any remorse for hurting others,
the former John McCain a highly respected war veteran
comes to mind and the lies about Barack Obama's
ancestry. Trump doesn't apologise. Plus the fact that he
sees the world in terms of black and white, you're either
his friend or his enemy.

Winning at all costs matters. Also the fact of sucking up
to the Russian dictator Vladimir Putin and the North Korean
"rocketman," bothered even his secret service. I'd hate to
see him sell out his allies to achieve his private goals.

It's all a bit unsettling.

As for Biden?

'Nuff said.

Pretty much spot on Cherful but this all started long before Trump "first became an opponent to Biden and the entrenched politicians". It started the moment he announced his candidacy back in 2015.

Anyone who threatens the current elite is going to get this treatment. McCain, who Foxy feigns concern for, was similarly treated by the establishment when he ran, even though his threats to their cosy arrangements was miniscule as compared to Trump. The difference with Trump is that he fights back. Whereas McCain and Romney and McConnell etc all cave when attacked by the establishment forces.

The thing is that these attacks are wont to influence the low information observers as exemplified by many here. Sure they can be shown that the "bloodbath" beat-up was, errr, a beat-up, but the adverse thinking remains. So we get people who can list all the things they find disturbing about Trump, without actually being able put a finger on specifics. Its just the feelz.

The most interesting thing from my perspective is that Trump is indeed the leader of the working class resistance to the current elite. Many who reflexively oppose Trump also preen themselves as supports of the down-trodden and opposed the ruling elite Yet they parrot the assertions of the media wing of that elite without any understanding.

Trump will lose because the global elite can't afford for him to win. And those parroting the elite's talking points will cheer his defeat...and then sit around askant as to why things are so much worse

The facts are:

Trump and his appointees made increasing the
power of corporations over working people their top
priority.

1) He's encouraged freeloaders. Made it difficult to enforce
collective bargaining agreements, silenced workers and
restricted the freedom to join unions.

2) He restricted overtime pay, opposed wage increases,
and gutted health and safety protections.

3) He helped insurers reduce coverage and made it
easier for pharmaceutical companies to inflate drug prices.

4) He encouraged outsourcing and offshoring.

5)He Failed to prepare for the COVID-19 pandemic. Opposed
hazard pay for essential workers and given employers
a free pass to lower safety standards.

There's more at the following:

http://cwu-union.org/trumps-anti-worker-record

Oooops. My apologies for the typo. Here's the link again:

http://cwa-union.org/trumps-anti-worker-record

She starts off telling us what the facts are...and then relies completely on a partisan organisation telling a partisan story. The shame is she won't understand how screwy that thinking is.

The facts, according to the IRS, are that for the first time in decades, following the Trump tax cuts, new official figures showed that the Trump tax cuts heavily favoured the lower class and heavily disfavoured the wealthier taxpayers. Low information observers will either ignore or not understand that but the working class beneficiaries do understand it, and that's why polls show they heavily favour Trump. I've previous shown how black and Hispanic unemployment was the lowest in decades under the Trump economy. Low information observers will either ignore or not understand that.

Yep working class voters favour Trump over Biden, favour Republicans over Democrats and think Trump is the politician that most represents their views. Low information observers will either ignore or not understand that. Indeed we had one such low information observer here, tell us the working class are idiots for favouring someone who represents their interests.

Still, if you want to believe you are on the side of the lower classes but maintain your Trump Derangement Syndrome stances, the best way is to run off to Google to find some partisan group who'll tell you what you want to hear.

She's professionally trained to do that.....

mhaze,

Your showing your lack of credibility again.

You obviously lack the facts or any comprehension of them.

And what's with the derangement syndrome? You've over-used
that tactic in the past. Got anything else?
Try the facts from reputable sources.

Hi Foxy,

Stop being so "partypooer" why can't you be like mhaze and quote impartial sources like "The Times Of Israel" or the IDF, better still quote Adolf Netanyahu directly. When you want the facts just ask the Fuhrer, mhaze does.

mhaze,

You obviously don't believe sources like - the Guardian, CNN,
PBS, CBS, Politico, the newspapers in Detroit or Michigan,
the Economic Policy Institute, AP News, and many other sources
American and international. And you blame me for the information
provided by them.

Well, the facts they all seem to agree on say that the former
president spent 4 years in office weakening unions and
working people while pushing tax giveaways to the wealthy.
He stacked courts with judges who wanted to reel back
worker's rights on the job.

He made worker's less safe at work and gave big corporations
free reign to lower wages and made it harder for workers to
stand together in a union.

These are the undisputed facts, and citing them here
does not necessarily make
me pro worker, or anti-trump. Merely factual.

What's with the continued personal attacks. Surely you can do
better?

But perhaps I am giving you more credit than you deserve
or than your posting history on this forum has shown. And,
As Steele Redux has continue to regularly point out.

Never mind. Keep digging - you're not quite there yet, but
with enough effort you shall get there and be able to join
your compatriots on this forum and get "kudos" from the
"Kudos King."

Keep at it.

http://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/25/trump-united-auto-workers-strike

mhaze

She's a robot.

Hi Paul,

You ask why I can't be like mhaze - a partypoooer?

I have trust issues with what mhaze posts.

And he can't resist.

ttbn the stalker comes back.

But Nah I'm not a robot.

I'm a proud supporter of messy hair, no make-up,
and PJs all day.
Who's with me?

Hi Foxy,

If this was Facebook you could have the stalker bared, but this is Mickymousebook, like others, as long as he's on the right side of the fence he can post whatever he likes. He called me a DICK, it didn't get deleted, I posted something similar and it got deleted. As I said right side of the fence.

I was showing information from the US IRS and the US BLS as well polls from Gallop and Pew..and she says I should find reputable sources!! !!

This is just tooooo stupid for words.

Thick as a brick.

mhaze,

More attempts at deflection.

It no longer works on me.

Thick as a brick?

When you really want to slap someone, do it
and say "Mosquito."

I'd rather be "thick as a brick,"
than a wet wipe.

Hi Foxy

I'd rather be Robbie The Robot than silly old Foghorn Leghorn. How about you?

Hi Paul,

Physical labour in the future may be replaced by robots.
While mental activities by AI and software.

Oh my goodness can you imagine if there were two of me?

As for Foghorn Leghorn?

You see boy, People don't want to hear your opinion.
They want to hear their opinion coming out of your mouth.

Hi Foxy

You ask good questions about Trump.

It seems the 10,000s of US psychiatrists have failed to find Trump mentally ill.

However his mood swings might occasionally escalate to pathological levels of Narcissism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Pathological_levels_of_narcissism "The pathological condition of narcissism is a magnified, extreme manifestation of healthy narcissism. It manifests itself in the inability to love others, lack of empathy, emptiness, boredom, and an unremitting need to search for power..."

Then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Grandiose "Narcissistic grandiosity is thought to arise from a combination of the antagonistic core with temperamental boldness—defined by positive emotionality, social dominance, reward-seeking and risk-taking. Grandiosity is defined—in addition to antagonism—by a confident, exhibitionistic and manipulative"

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Celebrity "a form of narcissism that develops in late adolescence or adulthood, brought on by wealth, fame and the other trappings of celebrity...supported by the celebrity-obsessed society."

All this being boosted by Trump employing and attracting too many sycophants, meaning people who praise powerful or rich people in a way that is not sincere.

CONCLUSION

So, it would appear Trump exhibits Narcissism that is sometimes of a pathological level.

Next stop Psychopathy which now days also encompasses Sociopathy.

Hi Foxy
Good to see you here again, on on-line opinion
It’s Good to still have a free public discussion area.

I remember the McCain fall out with Pres Trump
I think it was when Pr Trump was first standing for the nomination or just after he won it.
MCCain made some nasty sneering remarks about
Pr Trump. That's when Pr Trump made those retalitory
remarks. The media didn't include what McCain had said and headlined what Pr Trump said in headlines everywhere, to make him look nasty.

Pres Trump I've noticed never attacks anyone who hasn't attacked him first
or has told obvious lies politically. The media makes it look that he just says nasty angry things for no reason by editing videos.

I think he's a kind man at heart, despite his brash, boasting style.
I'd rather have his brash ,blokey style than effeminate, flowery, speeches
saying people-pleasing - crap. He tells it like it is.
I was watching a fellow being interviewed tonight on Sky News,
Discussing why it is the working classes, voting for Pr Trump

The fellow said, “ he had walked around Pr Trump's hotels and construction sites with him, and PRES Trump was very at ease stopping, talking with the workers. He understood them, as he'd worked with them for years.
I actually think Pr Trump is a sweetie, with a real blokey, personality

Foxy
My take on the Vice President not doing his duty to keep his Fraudulency,Joe Biden, from stealing the Presidency, is that he
was understandably too afraid of the mafiosa Leftwing thugs,
and the corrupt alliance of the CIA and FBI with Biden and the wealthy powerful corporations and globalists funding Biden.

I don't think they will let Pres Trump become President in the next election no matter what they have to do.
They are hiding some big corruptions and crimes involving the Politicians
CIA and FBI. They are still hiding the Laptop with the underage
girls photographed in sexual situations with Hunter.
And the incriminating emails by Hunter.

I believe there is sex trafficking of all the young girls coming over the border going on in those halls of power. They are protecting each other by keeping real Presidents they don't control with money and sex blackmail, out of power.

If Pres Trump gets back into power and cleans out the corrupt justice system they are afraid of ending their lives in prison. Instead of enjoying all the money they have obtained criminally off the American tax payers

Pres Trump doesn't need to fleece the system to make money because he made his own money building and running hotels.
These are frightened, ruthless people

Mahaze

Good to have backup from people like yourself who see the game that's really being played and those behind it.
So very hard with the constant misinformation being fed through the bought media. TV Channels and Newspapers.

The so called journalists today, don't actual do much investigating
of news. They simply read the news off teleprompters from head office
Collect their big $500,000 salaries and go home to their expensive mansions in ritz suburbs. If they don't report things a certain way then they risk losing their big salaries.

I don't think they'll let Pr Trump win either. He's going to be very vulnerable to food poisoning or some attack if they manage to jail him
on their ridiculous trivial charges.

Pres Trump is Americas and the ordinary people's last chance to keep theirfreedoms from a tyrannical government that are unaccountable because
they have corrupted and own the Dept of Justice, CIA and FBI
It's a criminal. Unholy alliance.

The one thing we need with the coming power of AI and robots is ethical.honest leaders. At the moment the world doesn't have those leaders

Foxy,
You can't possibly like Job Biden, his whole career he has plagiarised
speeches, even one Pres Kennedy gave.
He actually got called out by the media for that, back in the days when the media was less corrupt and not protecting him.

He has told lies about going to presteiges schools, which he never attended. Always lying to make the crowd think he is one of them, long before he ever became demented.
I believe he is a dishonest grifter

And the last thing America needs is Kamala Harris as President.
She seems to be unable to say or do anything sensible at all.

Hi CHERFUL,

Are you an American? I have little interest in who is the American President, other than to say both Trump and Biden are embarrassments. Biden is some senile old fart who should be in a rest home rather than the White House, and Trump is a mega rich criminal who should be in a jail rather than the White House.

Say what you like about Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin, and there is plenty of negative things to say about the pair of them, but at least they look and act presidential, well in public they do. The American pair are a public embarrassment!

Hi CHERFUL,

So glad that you're back posting.

So much to think about that's for sure.

According to friends and family in the US - the
feelings about the two main candidates are mixed.

There's those who think that Biden's age makes him
too old to be an effective president. And there's
also those who think that Trump has committed serious
federal crimes.

The question is, will Trump's weaknesses outweigh Biden's?
If they will, it is possible the this may be the President's
best chance of earning another term.

Foxy

I appear to be the only one actually addressing your thread title "Does Donald Trump suffer from a mental illness?" so please respond to me.

See my:

"Hi Foxy

You ask good questions about Trump.

It seems the 10,000s of US psychiatrists have failed to find Trump mentally ill.

However his mood swings might occasionally escalate to pathological levels of Narcissism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Pathological_levels_of_narcissism "The pathological condition of narcissism is a magnified, extreme manifestation of healthy narcissism. It manifests itself in the inability to love others, lack of empathy, emptiness, boredom, and an unremitting need to search for power..."

Then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Grandiose "Narcissistic grandiosity is thought to arise from a combination of the antagonistic core with temperamental boldness—defined by positive emotionality, social dominance, reward-seeking and risk-taking. Grandiosity is defined—in addition to antagonism—by a confident, exhibitionistic and manipulative"

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Celebrity "a form of narcissism that develops in late adolescence or adulthood, brought on by wealth, fame and the other trappings of celebrity...supported by the celebrity-obsessed society."

All this being boosted by Trump employing and attracting too many sycophants, meaning people who praise powerful or rich people in a way that is not sincere.

CONCLUSION

So, it would appear Trump exhibits Narcissism that is sometimes of a pathological level.

Next stop Psychopathy which now days also encompasses Sociopathy.
Posted by Maverick, Thursday, 11 April 2024 5:57:35 PM"

Regards Mavs

Hi Mavs,

I agree that many psychiatrists have found Trump to
be a malignant narcissist rather than mentally ill.
I'm not sure where the line is or could be drawn.

I think despite criminal charges against him, it's
weak rivals and his renewed energy have helped the
former US president recover from all the political
attacks.

He's been the first US former president to be charged
with a crime. And yet 4 indictments later his campaign
is still going strong. Go figure. "Teflon Don" is
back.

Trump remains popular with many Americans. The criminal
charges have been excused by conservative perceptions that
Trump is victim of a "corrupt" system. Also the lack of
a strong Republican alternative helps and Biden's
dwingling popularity are playing into Trump's hands.

I'm not sure about Trump's mental health. And we may not
admire him and his behaviour. But we've got to admire
his shamelessness - right?

Hi Foxy

Yes when Trump admitted to numerous cases of, for any mere mortal, may draw charges of sexual assault, Trump's pathological Narcissism is on record.

I'm referring of course to the Donald Trump Access Hollywood tape of 2016 at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Access_Hollywood_tape where he was clearly recorded boasting:

"I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything."

Indeed too many Americans see Trump as living their dream of being a rich, powerful, star, who breaks any rule he wants, who marries and dumps super-models and who can openly have sex on the side, and get always get away with it.

Next stop - Is Trump a Psychopath or just a low life grub?

Cheers Mavs

Hi Mavs,

It's really hard to get to know the persona of someone
who always appears to be acting. He knows he's always
being observed. Of course by normal standards many of
us would consider his behaviour extreme. He's rude,
arrogant, and lacking in empathy. But is he a psychopath?

I don't know. I would say he's a low-life grub.

He once was asked what he considered "ideal company?"

Trump replied:

"A total piece of ass."

Trump replied:
Foxy,
At least he has some normal male traits ! With the Left one wouldn't know what one's up against !

Hi Foxy

As well as Trump being a true grub, I think he has earned the Psychopath description http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

"psychopathic personality is a personality construct characterized by impaired empathy and remorse, persistent antisocial behavior, and bold, disinhibited, and egocentric traits masked by superficial charm and the outward presence of apparent normality."

[and the next part reflects the many charges against Trump] "assessments of psychopathic characteristics are widely used in criminal justice settings in some nations and may have important consequences for individuals."

"Signs and symptoms
Socially, psychopathy typically involves extensive callous and manipulative self-serving behaviors with no regard for others, and often is associated with repeated delinquency, crime.."

"Moral judgment
Psychopathy has been associated with amorality—an absence of, indifference towards, or disregard for moral beliefs."

"Management Clinical
Psychopathy has often been considered untreatable. Its unique characteristics makes it among the most refractory of personality disorders, a class of mental illnesses that are already traditionally considered difficult to treat. People with psychopathy are generally unmotivated to seek treatment for their condition, and can be uncooperative in therapy."

Yep. All the above is Trump. Falling way below Australian behavioural and legal standards.

Hi Mavs,

So in a nut shell....TRUMP is a nut job! He'll be the 47th NUT JOB of the UNITED STATES! I'll agree with that, he'll join a long list of nut jobs, starting with George 'Nut Job' Washington.

I'm not sure that I would really classify Trump as a
total "nut job." A malignant narcissist, yes.

Winning is everything in the US and Trump grew up
knowing its importance.

But, I guess I'll have to do some more research on Trump.

Hi Foxy

One of the difficulties of my study of Trump is that there is a fair overlap between his malignant nature of being a Narcissist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Pathological_levels_of_narcissism and Psychopath http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy.

I'm unsure whether Narco Trump or Psycho Trump is more fitting?

On George Washington I take issue. Washington led the Army for years, giving him the option of forcibly taking over "Coup d'état aring" the US Government aka the Continental Congress. Some of his officers tried to persuade him to become Dictator or King to begin a Washington family Dynasty.

But he never did. He only only became president reluctantly as it was initially an unpromising position with no tradition.

He started a fine democratic tradition, which has sadly declined due to the likes of Nixon and, of course, Psycho Trump.

Hi Mavs,

Whatever Trump is, let us be grateful that we don't have
one like him here. That our system of government has so far
protected us from leaders like him. May it continue to do so.

Rigging the next American election in plain sight.

Biden is giving immediate citizenship to at least 9 million people, (estimated so far),to have crossed the American border and paying them welfare.

When these people come to the govt offices to obtain their new citizenship documentation and welfare money,they are told by leftwing Democrat stooges that they are now eligible to vote "and they need to vote for Biden not Pres Trump if they wish to remain in America.

Sometimes it only takes a few thousand votes to swing key seats in elections.
I think it will be extremely difficult for there to be an honest election.
I think those days of the people actually choosing the President and key politicians in America are probably gone.

They have political cocktail Parties in America to raise money for political campaigns. The wealthiest globalist corporation chiefs are there and they donate millions to the candidate they want for President of the United States and Politicians who favour the policies
that benefit the Globalist Wealthy . More control,power and money and less prosperity and freedom of the people

Paul 1405

I’m an Aussie mate
The freedoms you and I take for granted are at stake depending on who wins this election in America.

So far, even when he was President I never saw Pres Trump go against the constitution.
Biden and the Democrats however are going against the constitution by their weaponisation of the Justice system against anyone who opposes them.

The Biden regime acts like an Authoritarian Government. Controls the media like an authoritarian government. Pumping out 24/7 propaganda, like the Kim Jung Un regime,
Gives money to Iran who funds Hamas.

Pres Trump stopped all the money Obama was paying to Iran, in the guise of humanitarian aid.
There were no attacks on Israel by Hamas when Pres Trump was in power
Biden got back into power by vote rigging and immediately starting funding Iran again. The question is why were Obama and Biden funding Iran? Do they want warin the middle East?

Personally I prefer a Pres like Pr Trump who didn't want war in the middle East.
If the war in the Middle East, or Ukraine fires up into a world war because of the actions of the Biden Government. Then we in Australia will be very affected by who the American Pres is.

Biden and co provoked Putin into that war when Ukraine descended into civil war after an unpopular election.

Putin was ready to sign a peace deal when he secured the Ukrainians of Russian descent, areas, from attack.
He was not interested in taking Kiev or the rest of Ukraine but was provoked into it

Hi CHERFUL,

For me its like asking the question; Would you prefer to be put in a cage with a lion or a tiger? Answer neither, the end result would be the same. Its my opinion America is a corrupt regime, which has exercised its power, not for the good of mankind, but for the benefit of Capitalism. The basic problem is 5% of the worlds population (Americans) consumes 25% of the worlds resources, and that's mostly by a small elite within the 5%. To maintain that basic imbalance America needs to spend a disproportionate amount on militarism. America maintains control over subservient countries like Australia, a willing "partners" in the American model, but it also has to deal with the belligerent, countries like China, which is a growing threat to American power and dominance. Both Biden and Trump are part of the American elite, and will both carry on the traditions of American Capitalism, for the benefit of the elite. If that means war, then war it will be, regardless which nut job is in the White House. BTW, just in case you think I'm some crazy Commo, Capitalism in my opinion, does not have to be a dirty world, when applied properly in the right context, it is actually a good thing, on a small scale some Scandinavian countries do a reasonably good job with it.

There are quite a few given listings on the web
of Donald Trump's violations of the American Constitution.
The well known one is his calling for the termination
of the Constitution to overturn the 2020 election and
re-instate him as power. He emphasized and believed that
America should terminate "all rules, regulations, and
articles" of the Constitution to overturn the 2020 election.

The man was willing to shred the Constitution to achieve
his own ends. And he will likely do so again, given the
opportunity.

Trump has never been a man who plays by the rules. And the
American Constitution was written by the forefathers to
protect the country from demagogues. The 14th Amendment
of the Constitution bans Trump from office. The Colorado
Supreme Court has ruled that Trump cannot appear
on Colorado's 2024 presidential ballot because of his
involvement in the January 6, 2021 insurrection.

According to Section 3 of the 14th Amendment - no government
officer or president who's taken the oath to protect the
Constitution can run for office if they engaged in insurrection
or rebellion.

There's more at the following:

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4155537-the-constitution-bans-trump-from-holding-public-office-ever-again/

I'm sure that the man will find a way around it. As he's done
with everything else in the past. He's a man for whom rules
simply do not apply. Whether the majority of people fall for
it, we shall have to wait and see.

Sorry for the typo. Here's the link again:

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4155537-the-constitution-bars-trump-from-holding-public-office-ever-again/

Well then Foxy.
It depends on whether Pr Trump was right about the 2020 election being rigged and whether he was responsible for J6 at the Capitol, bearing in mind, that it is TEXT BOOK, CIA. FBI strategy on how they change governments in other countries, under the cover of RIOTS, which they stoke up using instigators singing out in the angry crowd to fire them up.
They then criminalise and arrest the people who support the leader the CIA got rid of. Thus dealing with any opposition at the same time..

I heard exactly this in a couple of interviews over time when some ex FBI, or CIA agent was on a talk show. Or promoting a book they had written. I remember it because, I had never quite understood how they actually bought about these regime changes in other countries that I had heard they did. I found it interesting.

To explain my belief that the election was rigged will take another post
So I'll end this off and do another post.

Don't stand on one leg waiting cause I might be gone for half an hour.

Hi CHERFUL,

Donald Trump is seen by a majority of his base as the
only legitimate president. According to him, and them,
"massive" fraud occurred in certain states (fake voters,
rigged voting machines, etc) with the blessing of election
officials and unscrupulous judges, therefore tipping the
contest.

Of course, there is no evidence of fraud that could have
changed the outcome, and all the lawsuits challenging the
result have been dismissed as moot - even by judges Trump
hand-picked.

Donald Trump's most grievous fault has been his attempt
at trying to overturn the democratic transfer of power
by encouraging his supporters to violently oppose the
certification of the election in 2021 and his continuous
false claim that he, in fact won in 2020.

Listening to the American news reports and fact-checking
various sources we learned that Trump's die-hard supporters
once again see him as the victim of a "with-hunt". We've
heard him telling us that many times on the news and at his
rallies. His two impeachments were of course part of the
"witch-hunt." All because he was taking on a "corrupt system."

Trump has used his legal troubles to raise millions of dollars,
a large part has gone to pay his defence lawyers rather than
fund his presidential campaign.

Apparently the system is not "corrupt" when it suits his ends
and purposes. He knows how to manipulate it well.

cont'd ...

CHERFUL, PBS News and other sources have explained
that the myth of the stolen election is a "mass
conspiracy belief." A type of unverified counter-
narrative that questions well-established facts and
relies instead on the idea that powerful and malevolent
actors are operating in the shadows.

What characterises the United States is not necessarily that
its population if more gullible than others, but rather
that a large part of its political and media class is willing
to accept, exploit, and organize conspiracy thinking for
its benefit.

Here's a bit of some light relief:

United in their love of Trump
They like to claim he's not a chump
I'd say that as a president
He did divide, and was truly bent.

.

Dear Foxy,

You ask :

« Does Donald Trump suffer from a mental illness? »
.

That’s a question for the medical profession to decide.

It’s an important question and, hopefully, the day will come when the contenders for the top job of “political leader” (president, prime minister, supreme leader, etc.) in every country in the world will be obliged to submit themselves to a full and proper physical, intellectual and psychological examination to determine their aptitude for the job.

Health and safety regulations apply to most if not all professions in many countries. But much to my regret, they do not apply to what is probably the most important profession of all, that of national “political leader”.

We humans still have a long way to go before we qualify as a civilised species. Potential leaders such as Genghis Khan, Caligula, Attila the Hun, Timur, Ivan the Terrible, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Mao Zedong, Kim Il-Sung, “Papa Doc” Duvalier, Bokassa, Idi Amin, Pinochet, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Milosevic, Kim Jong-Il, and Putin must be diagnosed for what they truly are, and eliminated from the list of potential candidates for the post of national “political leader”.

There are at least a dozen other animal species that have “political leaders”, the better-known being elephants, ants, and bees, none of which are known to indulge in mass cruelty and extermination of members of their species. In this respect, they seem to be far more civilised than us human beings :

http://www.voanews.com/a/animals-offer-leadership-lessons-to-humans/3098995.html.
.

I can’t say Donald Trump inspires my confidence as regards the state of integrity of his mental and psychological faculties.

One thing that particularly struck me during his presidency was his suggestion at a press conference of injecting disinfectant into the body of COVID patients because he said it could cure them in a minute. He seemed to be deadly serious :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFKQGGf1iiI.
.

I had to do a psycho-technical test in a job interview for a major international group some years ago and I don’t see why Donald Trump and Joe Biden shouldn't be obliged to do likewise.

.

Hi BP,

"It’s an important question and, hopefully, the day will come when the contenders for the top job of “political leader” (president, prime minister, supreme leader, etc.) in every country in the world will be obliged to submit themselves to a full and proper physical, intellectual and psychological examination to determine their aptitude for the job."

Hitler would have passed with flying colours, Churchill on the other hand would have failed miserably! Hitler was a teetotaller, Churchill a boozer! Hitler loved his dog, Churchill hated pets. Hitler patted little children on their heads and squeezed their cheeks, Churchill couldn't stand children. Franklin D. Roosevelt a fine judge of character, evident by his liking of 'Uncle Joe' didn't go much on Churchill, I think it was the cigar smoke! Nev Chamberlain, a bloke who knew how to avoid a war, enjoyed a cuppa with Adolf, and a pleasant chit chat as well. Nev never enjoyed a chit chat with Winnie like he did with Adolf.

What great posts from both Banjo and Paul!

Certainly much to think about.

If only, comes to mind.

I too had to once sit through a test for a job interview.
Plus an oral interview on top of the written one - in front
of an entire panel of twelve.

It was horrendous.

I got the job - but decided I really didn't want it.
Their company structure appeared to be stifling.

It ended up being a good decision. I got another job
which suited me very well. I got to work with a fantastic
ceo, from whom I learned a great deal.

Perhaps all politicians should be regularly screened
to test their psychological health and ensure that
they are mentally fit to make decisions in the national
interest.

After all politicians do face high levels of responsibility
and therefore stress.

.

I’m afraid I’m way out of my depth when it comes to psychiatry and I doubt that any of the “mad hatter” national political leaders listed in my previous post were ever examined by a psychiatrist.

Naturally, whether they were “mad hatters” or not is a matter of conjecture. The best I can do is point to a purely hypothetical diagnosis proposed by Julian Lieb, a psychiatrist and former director of the Dana Psychiatric Clinic at Yale-New Haven Hospital in the US, who co-authored with D. Jablow Hershman a book entitled “A Brotherhood of Tyrants: Manic Depression and Absolute Power”.

In this, the authors posit that manic-depressive disorder (now known as bipolar disorder) is the force that drove leaders such as Hitler and Stalin to absolute power and the terrible abuse of it. They consider that manic-depressive disorder is a hidden cause of dictatorship, mass killing and war, and argue that the psychopathology of the disorder can be a key factor in the political pathology of tyranny.

Manic-depressive or Bipolar disorder is, of course, a mental illness that can be chronic (persistent or constantly reoccurring) or episodic (occurring occasionally and at irregular intervals) which complicates its diagnosis and makes it difficult – and could also explain the apparent paradoxical behaviours described by Paul 1405 in his last post.

I tend to see this explanation as what I should qualify as an “intelligent guess”. It may be only partial. There may be more to it than just bipolar disorder and there may be other possible explanations.

In any event, it is an endeavour worth pursuing – if ever it were possible to put a would-be Hitler or Stalin on the psychiatrist’s couch.

Donald Trump, perhaps ?

.

Dear Banjo,

Trump would never agree to being put on the couch,
unless we could get a beautiful female doctor to
help get him there?

Seriously though, once again - thank you for your insights.
My hope against hope is that Trump will not win and end
up having a breakdown and have to be placed into care
where he belongs.

Wishful thinking I know.

Interesting news this morning. Trump's trial begins.
And so far they've been unable to make up a jury
due to people's prejudices that disqualifies them.

Interesting times ahead.

Hi Foxy,

In Australia get a short list of 42 jurors from a about 100 or more, give each side 15 challengers, hey presto you've got a jury of 12. I was once one of the 12, 3 months, hardly sitting in the court room, all that legal argument, then the trial was aborted due to the slow process and the untimely deliverance of evidence to the four defendants legal team, by the prosecution. In the jury room we had a mountain of daily transcript, every juror was given copies of photographic evidence etc. From the evidence the four were guilty of people trafficking and enslavement, so it seemed very early on. One big problem was the necessary use of translators. The Judge was a nice bloke. PS; The bagels etc for lunch were also very nice.

Hi Paul,

I've never served on a jury.

And in Trump's case I probably would be disqualified
as well because of my biases.

It's hard to be unbiased in his case.

There's a rule called the Goldwater Rule....

"Section 7 in the American Psychiatric Association's (APA) Principles of Medical Ethics,[1] which states that psychiatrists have a responsibility to participate in activities contributing to the improvement of the community and the betterment of public health, and when they are asked to comment on public figures, they refrain from diagnosing, which requires a personal examination and consent."

That means that any professional who diagnose someone with some mental problem without having a specific personal examination is acting unethically. So all those who fall for the claimed professional diagnoses of Trump's supposed mental problems are listening to people acting unethically. But if you want it to be true, what have ethics got to do with it, eh?

Meanwhile Biden was specifically found to be so senile and dotty that he couldn't be charged with his crimes due to that senility. I can't help but notice that all those anxious to find mental problems with Trump (did I mention that was unethical?) are trying very hard to ignore Biden's proven mental issues.

BTW, the Goldwater rule is named for a Republican candidate from 1964. Notice that its only Republicans who get this far-off diagnosis. After all, it'd be unethical to do it to Democrats. Right?

Hi mhaze,
"That means that any professional who diagnose someone with some mental problem without having a specific personal examination is acting unethically."

I think your argument is a little flimsy.
I think there are pros and cons.

Let's say you have a highly experienced professional with many years in the game, and he/she watches someone for many hours as for example in the case of Donald Trump we all have...

Let's say that even without meeting Trump this medical professional says 'This man Trump has an absolute textbook case of x, y and z'.

Just because he/she hasn't met Trump doesn't necessarily mean they're AUTOMATICALLY wrong.
They still has a better informed opinion in his/her specialised area than a non-professional, and as a citizen he/she is still entitled to have and share their own personal opinion, right?

Is it 'ethical' to deny them their right to free speech?

I think it might create a mess if mental health professionals weighed in on all our leaders, but could their opinions give us insight, most probably.

Is it 'unethical' for medical professionals to share their opinions with the general public;
or is it 'unethical' for medical professionals to keep their opinions FROM the general public;
- that is, if they think a certain leader has qualities which make them less than suitable for office?

You say it's unethical, on the matter of ethics - I'm undecided.

What if it was a specialists (unmet) opinion on the mental health of Hilary Clinton?
Are you saying we have no right to hear that opinion?
I think we have every right to hear that opinion, as much as a medical professional is also a citizen and he/she has a right to share their opinions, but maybe you could argue that one shouldn't put full weight in an (unmet) assessment.

Ethical or unethical, the real question in any situation is whether or not the particular opinion holds merit?

"I think your argument is a little flimsy."

Flimsy? There is a rule. The rule is determined by American Psychiatric Association's and detailed in their Principles of Medical Ethics. Flimsy?

They made the rule because they determined that it is impossible to diagnose someone without personally examining said patient. Flimsy?

The professionals have examined the issue and come to this conclusion. They only flimsy part is that people with no knowledge of the issue think they know better.

"Is it 'ethical' to deny them their right to free speech?"

They can say whatever they want. But their professional association has determined that its unethical for them to claim special knowledge when they haven't personally examined the person.

As I said, if you want to believe it then you will. But just remember that you are taking the word of someone who is acting contrary to their professional standards. If that sits OK with you, then so be it.

You really need to stop listinging to other peoples crap and use your own mind mhaze.
Like, actually 'think a little bit'

"The rule is determined by American Psychiatric Association's and detailed in their Principles of Medical Ethics."

Is this the same mob who decided it was 'ethical to perform lobotomies and shock therapy' ?

[Rolls eyes]

The 'unethical' part of it is that their 'opinions' have the potential to undermine the fabric of democracy, the ruling class and of our society in general.
- Not that it's necessarily unethical to deprive us of their opinions on a particular individual.

It is however bad business.
If they shared their opinions openly, their patients might not trust them.

There's a valid argument that says all candidates should undergo a mental health assessment by a panel of experts and the details made public to the voters.

Struth. Why is this so hard.

The experts in this field have determined that it isn't possible to diagnose some from afar. It was extensively studied and found to be fraught such that they introduced extensive rules into their ethics documentation to advise practitioners to avoid do it and to advise that when its done the results are invalid.

Yet, because the results marry with what some rolly trooly want to believe, all this goes out the window.

I'm not a fan of deferring to expertise on all issues when that expertise has been found to be wanting. This is not the case. The issue has been studied for decades and the same results apply.

But I'm sure ignorant bystanders know better.

"Is this the same mob who decided it was 'ethical to perform lobotomies and shock therapy' ?"

I'm pretty sure none of them were around at that time. But I'm sure you're an expert on aging as well and will set me straight.

I'm headed off on a weekend drive today. The experts tell me I should drive on the left side of the road, but what do they know. I'm sure driving on the right side will be fine.

"The experts in this field have determined that it isn't possible to diagnose some from afar."

Yes, and technically it's the correct stance.
An expert could still make a 'rather' informed opinion on the state of someones mental health, but without talking to them, and going through a series of checks, their might be some dynamic that they are misreading.

But it doesn't mean to say an experts (unmet) opinion or 'rather informed' opinion is completely worthless.

It's a bit like saying a building inspector is unqualified to label a dwelling unsafe simply by looking at photos or video of the dwellings problems and not being present to inspect it properly.

You're arguing the experts opinion holds no value, I say it still holds 'some' value.

Ultimately I think Trump certainly does have many character flaws.
- But everyone has their good and bad aspects, it's just the way people are.

But I don't think he's in any way mentally unfit for office.
The reason they hate Trump is that he won't go along with their foreign policy / endless war agendas.
Where do you think all this mess started?
On the topic of Russia and the Wests existing plans in Ukraine against Putin.
Not to mention they used Ukraine to attack and impeach Trump.

But Trumps still an American exceptionalist.
Remember he said 'We should've taken all the oil'
Anyway I digress...

Many other US politicians though, I think their mental health is questionable.
Or at the very least they are so beholden to their party and ideology that some of the things they say and do makes them look that way.

"I'm sure driving on the right side will be fine."
This is not an ethical matter, it's a matter of being the 'accepted system' and of 'road safety', and 'common sense'.
Please do not drive into oncoming traffic for other drivers sake as well as your own.

Hope you have a great weekend.

Where's ya mate Charter boat when I want to rub his nose in it mhaze?

Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMF
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-68823399

meanwhile...

IMF sounds alarm on ballooning US national debt: 'Something will have to give'
http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/imf-sounds-alarm-ballooning-us-national-debt-something-will-have-give

Here I was being told Russia's economy is in tatters, Lol
Here's a flashback for you all.

"Russia's industry is in tatters, and it is the Kremlin who has put Russia's economy on the path of oblivion"

EU chief Ursula von der Leyen says sanctions on Russia to stay - 14 Sept 2022
http://youtu.be/45pyWNl3D3E

When will you people learn?
Our leaders are liars, that aren't there for us.
It's all the EU countries who are heavily in recession.
They just keep making things worse for themselves.

Democracy is run by donors, greedy western oligarch capitalists.
And the west can't beat Russia or China let alone both of them together.
Do you know why?

Because the Wests military industrial production is profit driven.
And Russia and China's is product driven.

Here's another video, Ukraine are getting smashed.
There's no hope for them to turn it around.

Russian Elite Division STORMS Donbas Hilltop Fortress
http://youtu.be/_auXMszBVuM

I saw one video yesterday of a Russian missile take out over 30 new Ukrainian Howlitzers all lined up ready to redistribute to the front.

BACKFIRED: The Russian Metals BAN Will Make Putin Richer & China’s Economy Stronger
http://youtu.be/Y-Wj4Idi_ek

Our Western leaders ARE the fanatics.

I've got no idea who this Charter Boat person is. I suspect that makes two of us.

"Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMF".

Well good. If they keep up that grow rate 'til 2030, they'll get back to where they were in 2022 before the invasion. And if they keep it up 'til 2035 they'll get back to where they were in 2015.

Looking at one year's growth while ignoring the previous disasters is something only the economic illiterate do.

Still, its funny that you believe these 'experts' because they tell you something you want to hear, but ignore other experts when they say something you prefer wasn't true.

"And the west can't beat Russia or China let alone both of them together."

Still spruiking for the totalitarians I see.

"I saw one video yesterday of a Russian missile take out over 30 new Ukrainian"

Yeah, well I saw a video of a Ukrainian drone taking out a bomb making facility near Moscow. That's war. Each side takes its hits. But the partisan sees only one side and ignores the other and then wonders why things didn't turn out as predicted.

As I've said previously, Russia has already lost this war. They may end up with a bit more territory that Putin can immiserate but in geo-strategic terms they've lost. Its just that neither they nor their cheer-squad can admit it

Charter Boat = shadowminister

I watched this clip of Boris Johnson yesterday.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13301849/BORIS-JOHNSON-waiting-Ukraine-weapons-needs.html

"With Ukrainian cities once again being pounded to rubble and the casualties mounting I'm afraid I have to ask once again why the hell are we being so slow in giving those heroic Ukrainians the weapons they so desperately need, because if Ukraine falls it will be a catastrophe for the West, it will be the end of Western hegemony and we will have no one to blame but ourselves."

* 'a catastrophe for the West'? 'the end of Western hegemony'?

I thought it was all about Ukrainian sovereignty and defending democracy?
(Never mind the West overthrew a democratically elected government to start this mess.)

This is all about keeping everyone else down so America can stay on top.
Yesterday, after Israel bombed the Iranian consulate and Iran bombed Israel in response, US placed sanctions on Iran which effectively sanctioned Chinese oil imports.

Where do you think all this bs America does is going to end?

And look at US politics, they are so damn corrupt they spent who knows how many billions defending Ukraines borders (most going to the MIC and senators get kickbacks in the form of campaign donations), and they fight to keep their own borders open, so that democrats can bolster their voter base by pushing immigrants into Republican areas.

And this is the type of democracy you defend?

One that is happy to send another half million Ukrainians to die in a lost cause war so Biden doesn't lose an election?
Or maybe Blackrock don't want to lose out on their Ukrainian investments?

Kickbacks for US senators for global wars and genocide for Israel?

Lets take Israel...

Saw this article yesterday...

To free up space, Ben-Gvir suggests executing Palestinian detainees
http://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/to-free-up-space--ben-gvir-suggests-executing-palestinian-de

Here's the tweet.
http://twitter.com/itamarbengvir/status/1780669866053177580

"I'm glad that the government approved my proposal that will allow the Israel Defense Forces to build 936 (in total 1,600) additional prison places for security prisoners. The additional construction will allow the prison service to take in more terrorists, and will bring a partial solution to the prison crisis that exists in the Shavas. I welcome the fact that most of the ministers have shown responsibility and leadership on this important issue. The death penalty for terrorists is the right solution to the incarceration problem, until then - glad that the government approved the proposal I brought."

This guy is a religious fanatic and Netanyahu has to dance to his tune to avoid prison.
Palestinians are imprisoned without charge under indefinite 'administrative detention', and now this guy wants to execute them.

I can help with some tips here.
Why don't you tell your mate Itamar Ben-Gvir to grow and groom himself a nice little Hitler mustache, and put in some gas chambers and ovens?

This is the bs you support?
This is your idea of democracy and how the world should be?

Overthrows, Sanctions against US competitors, Wars, Death, Dead women and kids, Land Theft and Genocide?

"As I've said previously, Russia has already lost this war. They may end up with a bit more territory that Putin can immiserate but in geo-strategic terms they've lost. Its just that neither they nor their cheer-squad can admit it."

Why have they put so damn much into Ukraine?
Why is Boris Johnson saying western hegemony is riding on it?

They were all in kahoots and their plan was to overthrow Putin and loot Russia, and ring fence China.

Remember at the start of the war in 2022, they convinced all the Western companies to abandon Russia?

Why would they do that if there wasn't a bigger payday?
They (Bilderbergers) were obviously all in kahoots to unseat Putin too.

You think democracy is about democracy and the will of the people?
- No more than it's about serving the interests of Western oligarch capitalist elites.

No mate, the US has lost it's global hegemony, and it's wars.
It's all downhill for the collective West.
They can't compete with China, who are global leaders in just about everything, and the rise of BRICS will blunten any sanctions and free the global south.
Africa has kicked France out, why?
- Because they never did a thing for them except exploit them.

Multipolar world now, the Unipolar world was just a Unipolar moment.
- With a boot on a large chunk of the worlds throats.

America has become such declining empire, their industrial manufacturing can't even produce the weapons they need, which is hardly any point, because they are overpriced and (even worse) obsolete.

Thanks to everyone who've contributed to this discussion.

For me it's now run its course.

The future certainly looks interesting as far as the
American Presidential elections are concerned. But what
will be will be.

Enjoy your week-end.

Take care.

AC wrote: "And this is the type of democracy you defend?"

I support all forms of democracy. As a great man once said... "democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…".

You carry on as though you alone recognise the problems with current western civilisation and culture or failings of the current kleptocracy running Washington. But I've written many times about those issues, about how the west is in danger and how the next US election is the last best hope for saving the western project.

The difference is that, unlike you, I don't look at these problems and start barracking for the alternative. Sure western civilisation is in trouble. Sure it doesn't have an exemplary record. But if you think that's bad, its nothing as compared to a world run by the CCP and/or the neo-Tsarists in the Kremlin.

I've opined before that you have little understanding of historic context and therefore can't place the current woes into a wider picture. Yes the US is a global hegemon but as compared to every other hegemon that ever existed it was a benign and uplifting hegemony.

Their are any number of examples I could give to demonstrate this. 1945. Europe was divided between the US and Russia. Russia moved in, enslaved the population, imposed brutal and oppressive regimes, carted off vast amounts of wealth. The US moved in, gave each nation its choice as to the form of government it wanted, freed peoples from oppression, and threw vast amounts of wealth at them to allow them to recover (read up on the Marshall Plan). When Trump demanded the Europeans contribute their fair share to the common defence, he had to cajole rather than force, because they were a free people. Brezhnev never had that problem.

Barracking for a CCP victory is just inanely naive. Its shows a complete lack of understanding as to how oppressive and depressing a world run out of Beijing would be. There's a lot of that going around these days.

Two weeks of bullsh-t from people who can't do a thing about Donald Trump: people who don't know how to control their own politicians, let alone foreign ones that have no say at all about.

"I support all forms of democracy."
- Even the fake ones like ours?

There must be a lot of different versions of democracy I think.
- Were all fooled into thinking 'democracy' itself is all that matters, and you just proved it.

Democracy-Classic
Democracy-Lite
Democracy-Pretend
Democracy-Vassal (The sheeple version)
Democracy-in-wolves-clothing...

Which democracy do we have?
Don't you think we should have a discussion on what the best version should be?

Is it democracy when we elect a leader, but then they undemocratically do a whole heap of BS that the majority would never ever in a million years support?

What's the 'ideal' version, and how far away is our version, or the United States version of democracy for that matter to the 'ideal' version?

I heard the corrupt RINO's are ditching the support for the border but the wars get their money.
Kickbacks for Senators (and everyone else MIC), donors happy, more Ukrainians will die for nothing and war extended by 6th or so.
Pretty sure I heard there's restrictions in the bills preventing Trump from stopping the war / funding if he gets in.

Heard this report about a speech Melania made:

Melania Trump FINALLY BREAKS SILENCE | Letitia James Humiliated
http://www.youtube.com/live/GRueDDwFe7Y?t=1072

"Melania Trump has announced that she loves her husband and wants him to win and protect the country, protect us the American people from an
invasion on the border and future wars that our children and grandchildren might have to fight in order to enrich the Military Industrial Congressional Complex. Melania says she will be right by Donald's side on the campaign Trail and they are going to win and take back the country."

*emphasis 'Military Industrial Congressional Complex'
Trump's not enriching himself through endless wars like they all are.
Remember he wanted to do away with NATO?

I want to give you credit for your last comment though.
- It was a damn good comment, one of the best I've seen from you in ages.
Recognises the problems and addresses the right questions.
I feel like I have to put my 'serious pants' on to respond.

With Donald Trump - you can't tell whether he's for real
in what he says, or whether he's just saying things to
garner votes and saying what he thinks voters will support
to get himself elected. However because the US has always
been one of our strongest allies - and it's actions
would affect us, the topic of who the next US president will
is a topic of interest to many.

The following link explains why we should be concerned:

http://politico.com/news/2024/02/25/second-trump-term-00140488

We're told that Trump:

1) Will abandon NATO allies
2) Abortion ban
3) Mass deportations of immigrants
4) Use of Justice Department to punish political enemies
5) Embrace "Christian nationalism"
6) Neutering climate science
7) Expand trade fights against rivals and allies
8) Wage classroom culture wars - subjects like race,
sexuality, gender ID, will not be taught in schools. He
will roll back on protections for transgender students
9) No electric cars
10) Neutering the federal election hacking watch dog
11) Deploying US troops against Americans
12) Attacking drug cartels in Mexico

And the list goes on.

All somewhat unsettling - but is it real?

"But I've written many times about those issues, about how the west is in danger and how the next US election is the last best hope for saving the western project."

If we wish to understand the problem, then first we need to define it.

What's 'The Western Project'?

Rule by Blackmail, Sanctions, Overthrows and Military Interventions?
Might've been 'no risk' when America was knocking-off tinpot dictators in banana republics, but now the policy and attitude has lead us to conflict with nuclear-armed great powers...

The policy might need a rethink, and the systemic problems in the USA might mean they're simply unable to take a rational position and veer away from the course of conflict they're on.

"The difference is that, unlike you, I don't look at these problems and start barracking for the alternative. Sure western civilisation is in trouble. Sure it doesn't have an exemplary record. But if you think that's bad, its nothing as compared to a world run by the CCP and/or the neo-Tsarists in the Kremlin."

Who says they have to 'run the world'?

Are these the choices:
A world where a corrupt and belligerent west is now in an inferior position against the collective of other great powers and has to beat everyone else down like they we're the terrorists just to stay on top?
Death throes of a dying empire?

Or a better world where everyone gets a seat at the table and everybody respects everyone else's interests?

The West can't accept that and would rather have a cold war?

Who says others have to 'run things'
- They might end up doing so, if the West is dumb enough to commit suicide, which it seems intent on doing.
The apple might've been good once, but it's rotten now.

How the hell's the west going to compete with China?
We don't produce anything anymore.
They lead the world in most areas and produce many more university graduates that anyone else, and we're helping them do it!

You think if there's a world war (non-nuclear) the west would win?
- Most likely not.

Right now Russia is outproducing the entire collective west in military equipment.
What do you think China can do, if it puts its mind to it?

Look at the world we're in now.

The West can't even afford adequete missile defence.
We can't even afford to build it let alone maintain it.
And even if we could, the wests stuff is all obsolete.
It can be overcome easily with $1000 drones.

There are 1700 train derailments in the US every year.
The entire US Navy probably couldn't stop the Houthis.
You think our Pro-LGBT youngsters are up for combat with China, Russia, Iran and North Korea?
They will fight you themselves you just for costing them time on Tik-Tok.
They couldn't even take the wheelie bins out.
They can't even count a handful of coins or make their own sandwich.
It's time to start being realistic.

Dozens of countries are queuing up to join BRICS.
They aren't interested in trading in the US dollar if there's a risk their funds will be frozen.
China is dumping US treasuries, the US is having trouble selling its bonds to fund its debts.

I've just come across the following link:

http://quora.com/Is-Donald-Trump-really-that-bad-overall

It seems he's even worse. According to people who knew him.

After reading their comments, a supposedly "senile" old man
(Biden) doesn't look so bad. At least he listens to given
advice and does consult.

Depends who you listen to Foxy.

Take this article it quite fairly lays out Bidens mistakes and blames him for half a million dead and injured Ukrainians.
- It's a REALLY good read that goes over the facts.
The bloke has some credentials:

I have spent 25 years living and working in Russia and Ukraine on U.S. government business. I served two tours as a U.S. Air Force attaché at American Embassy Moscow. I have led U.S. teams on treaty inspections inside Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine. I was the military representative of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff advising Defense Secretary Bill Perry during negotiations that led to the Trilateral Nuclear Statement of 1994, in which Ukraine agreed to give up its nuclear weapons in exchange for commercial nuclear fuel rods and political assurances. As a result, Ukraine acceded to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. During the Administration of George W. Bush, I managed the Energy Department’s largest nuclear non-proliferation program in Russia – securing over 80 of Moscow’s most sensitive storage sites containing thousands of nuclear warheads. I also taught Russian military strategy at the Air Command and Staff College.

http://bruceslawter.com/2024/04/09/joseph-bidens-war-the-president-refuses-to-negotiate-an-end-to-the-carnage-in-ukraine-so-congress-must-jump-start-the-process/

One of the biggest problems is that no-ones actually listening to what the experts are saying...
Alternatively you could read some Trump hating bs article for example, if that's what gets all your juices flowing.

If you're a hater, there's a market for stories for people just like yourself!
$$ Ratings Baby! $$

Melania Trump Says She and Her Sexual Predator Husband Want to Lead America “With Love”
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/05/melania-trump-donald-trump-2024

>>By all accounts, the only thing Melania Trump hated more during her time in Washington than being first lady was being married to Donald Trump. Unfortunately for the 45th FLOTUS, while one of those situations ended in January 2021, the other has no end in sight. And if it‘s somehow not yet clear how Mel feels about it, recall the figurative message she sent to her husband shortly after he was charged with 34 class E felonies, i.e., “f--k off.”<<

An interesting thing happened in just the last few days:
Trump went out and got some take away food Chick-Fil-A I think it was.

He talked to everyone, and everyone was excited to talk to him.
Trump may be a billionaire, but because of his hotel business, he actually takes an interest in his employees (i.e the average Joe)

- And he knows how to connect with them and get along with them;
even though he's filthy rich.

Biden tried the same thing, headed into the take away.
It was an awkward occasion, no-one wanted to talk to him and everyone felt uncomfortable because it all felt staged.

Trump knows how to talk to people?

I guess that depends on the people doesn't it.

Not to journalists, or people who ask questions,
or dare to suggest any criticism.

""I support all forms of democracy."- Even the fake ones like ours?"

Some people think its clever to create false criteria about what constitutes democracy and then assert that anything that fails to met those criteria in detail is not a true democracy. AC is in that camp.

Australia's is not fake. Its just something that those who don't know what real democracy is think.

"What's 'The Western Project'?"

Its the maintenance and advancement of western civilisation which has survived and prospered for two millennia. The amalgam of Roman, Athens and Christianity to produce the most successful and society ever, the freest people ever, the most economically vital society ever.

It always amuses me that people will merrily type away on their keyboard to denigrate western civilisation and achievements while failing to recognise that the very keyboard they abuse is the product of the society they so hate.

"How the hell's the west going to compete with China?"

Ever since I was politically aware, I've been told of the imminent demise of the US and the west.

In the 60's, the Soviets were going to surpass the US.
In the 70 and mid 80's it was still the Soviets. Vietnam and all that. I remember reading Galbraith saying the Soviet economy surpassed the US and walking around Moscow trying to reconcile that view with what I was seeing on the ground.
90s - Then the Soviets collapsed and it was Japanese managerialism that was going to supplant the US.
oops.. that came unstuck. But never fear because here comes the EU to put the great Satan in its place. How's that going?
So now we have China. Surely they'll overthrow the US. Isn't that what they all want. Except China's economy remains a shadow of that of the US and China has already passed it peak. Still the true believers in the ultimate demise of the hated west continue to believe.

I predict that in the 2080's we'll have AC's decedents telling us that it's inevitable that Nigeria will overthrow the US hegemony.

"I want to give you credit for your last comment though.
- It was a damn good comment, one of the best I've seen from you in ages."

And that's a very high bar!!

Foxy writes: "The following link explains why we should be concerned:

http://politico.com/news/2024/02/25/second-trump-term-00140488"

I can never quite decide who are the biggest fools here - the people who write this gumph or the people who fall for it. But given that Foxy falls for it every time I think I have my answer.

For example, Foxy tells us that Trump will institute an abortion ban. Oh noes...what a disaster. Of course if you read the article, even in its moronosity it doesn't say that. Trump has said that the issue is a state issue following the overthrow of Roe v Wade. and he's said that he might support bans on abortion after 16 weeks - the exact same policy as applies in that well know nightmare state called France. But to the misanthropes of the left that Foxy is so enthralled to, any ban on killing a 35 week old foetus is to be abhorred.

Still if Foxy can convince herself that information from the IRS and the Bureau of Labor Statistics is not reputable, she can convince herself of anything.

Donald Trump is widely regarded by historians and
political scholars as one of the worst presidents
the US has ever had.

Just Google things like - "What Trump did in office,"
and "Was Trump really as bad as all that?" and
start reading.

There are over 2 billion websites on the internet with some having enormous numbers of articles - Wikipedia for example has around 7 million articles alone. So perhaps as many as 1 trillion articles.

So when someone who is incapable of forming their own opinions runs to Google or some other (better!!) search engine to ask "Was Trump really as bad as all that?", they are very likely to find someone who'll tell them what they want to hear. But that is the diametric opposite of how research, let alone critical thinking, is done.

When people are prepared to reject information from reputable organisations like the IRS and label it disreputable simply because it tells them something they don't want to hear....well, they just reveal their lack of interest in the truth.

_________________________________________________________________

A bit more on the flight of the working class to Trump....

http://www.amazon.com/Wall-Streets-War-Workers-Destroying/dp/1645022331

"Democrats have unarguably lost the longstanding support of millions of urban and rural workers, and Leopold points out how party leaders have been wrong about the assumption that the white working class is becoming less progressive and motivated to abandon the Democratic Party by reactionary positions on divisive social issues."

The book is a cry from a Democrat for a change in America to try to stop the working class being marginalised by the elite with the warning that not only might it, the working class, abandon capitalism but it might abandon democracy as well.

Trump is the US democracy's last best hope.

Long-standing and wealthy democracies like the United
Sates are remarkably resilient to the challenges that
confront them. However when elected leaders are backed
by personalist parties - they are often successful
in dismantling institutional checks on their power
whether from the legislature or the courts.

The personalist nature of the Republican Party
(now the Trump Party) means that if Trump were
to win again he's unlikely to face pushback from the
party on any issue. All signs indicate that Trump, if
re-elected is likely to pursue an authoritarian power grab.

Personalist parties help elected leaders undercut the
protective guardrails. Because the Republican Party has taken
a personalist turn under Trump's spell democracy in the
US would suffer should Trump win a second term.

Foxy opines: "Because the Republican Party has taken
a personalist turn under Trump's spell democracy in the
US would suffer should Trump win a second term."

This article from The Conversation.com writes:
"Because the Republican Party has taken a personalist turn under Trump’s spell, democracy in the U.S. would suffer should Trump win a second term."

(http://theconversation.com/why-trumps-control-of-the-republican-party-is-bad-for-democracy-221828)

Unsurprisingly, pretty much everything she wrote was lifted holus-bolus from the article. She just can't help herself, trying to look erudite by plagiarising others.

Like I said, if you run off to Google asking "Please tell me what I want to hear" you'll get a satisfying answer.

Unsurprisingly she couldn't find anyone to tell her why the IRS data I previously showed was wrong, so she just decided to call the entire organisation disreputable.

I sincerely apologise for omitting the link citation.
I often have problems in citing links due to my
failing eyesight. However, the information given was
important and worth a read when discussing Trump and
democracy.

http://theconversation.com/why-trump-control-of-the-republican-party-is-bad-for-democracy-221828

mhaze,

Kudos.

Keep up the good work.

Don't forget to be perfect.

mhaze

BTW:

If I don't respond to some of your postings don't
make assumptions as to why I don't. The real reason
is - I don't usually read most of what you post.

"I don't usually read most of what you post."

Oh THAT's why you're so ill-informed.
http://www.pngfind.com/pngs/m/498-4986127_big-grin-smiley-transparent-background-smiley-face-emoji.png

Ill-informed?

I may be ill-informed (bad influence) - but damn I'm fun!

http://time.com/6308324/donald-trum-mug-shot-georgia/

In the upcoming American Presidential election American
voters will have to make a choice as to who they want
as their country's leader.

A person who would try to make life easier for them, who
would be committed to fair and equitable outcomes or
someone who will be judged on his personality not his
actions. Make America Great Again - is a catchy slogan.
Americans should ask - but for whom?

"Make America Great Again - is a catchy slogan.
Americans should ask - but for whom?"

For all those who aren't part of the current ruling class ie the workers, the middle class, the farmers, the coal miners, the military. Those who make America work and then get screwed over by their ruling class.

BTW Foxy is fond of linking to rubbish she found on the web about all Trump's supposed lies.

http://twitter.com/i/status/1782874430638596443
http://twitter.com/i/status/1778815012032717296
http://twitter.com/i/status/1782379892807545343

That last one was about Biden's plagiarism....no wonder Foxy likes him.

mhaze,

You can't be more wrong about me.

But then you're wrong about most things.

"But then you're wrong about most things."

Yeah, I have to admit how embarrassed I was at getting the whole Voice vote wrong. There I was, 14 months before the actual vote, explaining, (not just predicting but explaining) how the Voice vote would fail and the reasons for the failure and then....

Of coarse, those who got it wrong have long since memory-holed it.

mhaze,

You should be embarrassed. Being right about The Voice
is sadly nothing to be proud of.

"We as Aboriginal people still have to fight to prove
that we are straight out plain human beings, the same
as everyone else."
(Neville Bonner).

Of coarse, those who got it wrong have long since memory-holed it.

"Those who got it wrong have long-since memory-holed it?"

No. Sometimes you just have to give up on some people -
not because you don't care, but because they don't.

"Being right about The Voice
is sadly nothing to be proud of."

This is more of the Foxy fantasy-land. The magical kingdom when being wrong is a badge of honour and being right is to be abhorred.

The land where completely misreading the views of the vast majority of your fellow citizens is good-think and seeing the world as it actually is to double-plus bad.


The land where some of the most reliable organisations on the planet become disreputable because they publish facts that you prefer to not know.

You can't make this up.

Ah, yet you continue to make it up.

Still, nobody's perfect. Everyone's ass has a crack
in it.

At the end of the day we're all just bare bums in
the shower.

So whatever floats your boat.

See ya.