"The country where you actually get to vote has enough problems for you to 'solve'."
- What am I supposed to do with Albo, Dutton, and the Greens?
Are they part of the solution or part of the problem?

AC

“But it is well known …..” is an old trick, used even by academics who should and do know better, in the hope that the claim will be accepted.

But, I don't think that any “campaign” by Z is well known at all.

But our problem here is that you used a ‘junk’ reference that had nothing to do with your claim that the war was voted against; which brings us back to ‘did they actually vote against the war’.

Your Guardian reference is an un-attributed report, full of quotation marks, but nothing on how it was derived - if you like, no evidence that there's a word of truth in it.

Also, it is too long for the average reader to take time over.

I know you like using references. But you could be in trouble if someone actually reads them.

References to third parties must come with information about what research they did to back what they say.

On your second post, the characters you refer to ARE the problem, not just part of it.

You ask what you are supposed to do with them.

Don't vote for them. There are other choices. I have no trouble in casting a formal vote by putting the three you refer to on the bottom.

Baldrick,

Every time you mention a "leaked report" I know that you are lying especially when there is no other link to this "report" on the web Virtually no one is volunteering to die in Ukraine, and none of Putin's promised money ever appears.

This is your source: http://www.quora.com/From-the-leaked-French-reports-Ukraine-cant-win-this-war-militarily-and-Russia-has-over-30-000-volunteers-a-month-while-Ukraine-cant-get-half-that-number-Shouldnt-peace-negotiations-start-soon-before-Ukraine-loses

Secondly, it is the Russian soldiers running away from the Russian patriots, with plenty of dead Russians as the patriots advance.

Thirdly, as Russia wasn't exporting its refined oil the destruction of the refineries was destroying local supply. P.S. 3 more refineries were hit last night. Russian oil prices and sales have plummeted since the West has been given huge fines to shipping companies that have paid more than $60/barrel.

Volensky did stand on a platform of peace, it was Putin that illegally started the war.

The West is now confiscating 10s of $bns of Russian assets in the West including all Russian refineries in western Europe.

Russia is losing this war.

I see that Putin won 88% of the vote. However, given the level of rigging and outright fraud, Putin could have published the results ahead of time.

No way can Putin consider himself legitimately elected.

Only 88%. Most dictators get 98%.

Why do non-Western countries bother with the election shams, when the result is a foregone conclusion.

The end of the war is the most dangerous part.
The Ukrainians are getting desperate.
Still a few months maybe until Ukraine collapses.
Your arguments that Ukraine is achieving something are actually an advertisement that things aren't going well.

I'll tell you all something.
If everyone keeps running around saying Putin is the second coming of Hitler and that the west cannot negotiate with a terrorist....

Speaking like this - those same people saying that are making WWIII inevitable.
Think about it.

Only a fool would risk a nuclear war.

And as for Ukraine, there's now almost zero men left in the villages.
Seems the Kiev regime decided to take them first, to minimise pushback in the populated centres.

Its only "illegal" because the West decided 'to say' it was.
What about Syria, I'm sure you'll tell me that's perfectly legal too?
Why not just take the whole country? (military intervention)
Ahhh, that was the plan wasn't it?
Tell me it's legal.

How many times must I explain it.
The DPR and LPR wanted independence.
Putin supported them in a wish for 'autonomy'
(i.e - internal right to self determination - Minsk agreements)
Kiev kept bombing them and calling them terrorists
They lost any right to rule over these people
Russia accepted their call for independence.
(external right to self determination)
Then Russia entered the war under the 'right of collective self-defense' on the side of the DPR and LPR.

Who set this precedent?
The US / NATO did themselves years earlier
- When it went into Kosovo / Serbia / Yugoslavia under the same pretext.

Watch this
The West has been active in placing agents in Ukraine to undermine Russia (then USSR) since the end of WWII, this was is more or less a culmination of that, than something actually new.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EZg8mPatv4