A former officer of the Northern Territory Police, Zachary Rolfe, whilst giving evidence before the Coronal inquest into the death of Aboriginal man Kumanjayi Walker claimed that systemic racism existed within the NT police. Rolfe shot dead Kumnjayi during an attempted arrest in a remote Aboriginal community in 2019, he was acquitted of murdering Kumnjayi in 2022. If Rolfe's claim is true, it shows a serious bias by police against Aboriginal people in the NT, and possibly elsewhere. The NT Police Commissioner Michael Murphy has ordered an inquiry into Rolfe's claims that his police force has as an ingrained culture of racism. Do you believe many police officers are predisposed racists with their attitudes and actions towards Aboriginal people?

I can only comment from personal experience & what people more reliable than Leftist orientated media state.
Most non-indigenous have no prejudice against the Aborigines per se. The cause of much dislike of some indigenous is the perpetual bleating of discrimination. Whilst historically there is more than enough evidence of victimisation of indigenous, it was not always pure malice or dislike. Many of the social problems today are brought on by some indigenous who opportunistically & more often than not, totally unwarranted claim discrimination. I have personally witnessed unacceptable behaviour by non-indigenous towards Aborigines but even more unacceptable behaviour by Aborigines & even more by part-Aborigines towards non-indigenous. Inciting confrontation is the standard tactic to turn a harmonious situation into one of anger by feigned indignation. When an argument becomes heated to the point of becoming physical, it's usually the non-indigenous who then gets branded racist when in fact it is the other way round. To those unfamiliar with such situation this scenario is always a lie etc. Police are not racist against Aboriginal people but they do get frustrated with the troublesome & there are times when Police get too frustrated by the incessant taunts & as soon as confrontation reaches the desired point out come the camera phones. Media releases never show the lead-up because this would clear Police on many occasions. Silly Academics in the city are mostly the cause of the perpetual claims of racism & discrimination based on true/untrue claims a hundred or more years ago.
It's high time some truths were exposed & help some pseudo Aborigines stop being racist. Senator Thorpe actually yelled in Parliament to "stop the Genocide". When will she have to prove her claims ?

If Senator Thorpe behaved like that outside toward police, they would quickly remove her off the street. She would then claim victimhood.

Hi Paul,

You ask if the NT police are racists against Aboriginal
People?

According to the ongoing investigations currently taking
place in the region as a result of what's happened there
-witnesses claim that the police force certainly is racist.
That it is "normal" behaviour and is all part and parcel
of the system. I guess in order to better understand - you'd
have to live and work in the region.

Police Commissioner Murphy has claimed that he
had not seen racist behaviour in any of the police stations
around the territory. But perhaps the current investigation
may open his eyes.

We all know that a police officers job is not an easy one
and undoubtedly there are many good men and women in the
force. However, an investigation certainly will help - but
perhaps more needs to be done - in the way of re-educating
officers as to what is and is not acceptable behaviour for
officers. Perhaps there is a need to actually sit down
and talk through some of the problems that do exist.
And try to find solutions that are acceptable to all parties.

Officers need to be reminded that the Police Oath is about
service according to law. And that a police officer must
without malice or any ill-will serve fairly until they are
legally discharged.

Hopefully something good will result out of this investigation
for all concerned.

witnesses claim that the police force certainly is racist.
Foxy,
What these witnesses witness is not "standard Police Racism", what they see is an acclimatisation response to the standard abuse by some repeat offender Aborigines.
The witnesses don't see the constant replay of dealing with abusive drunk & drugged offenders spitting & pi$$ing on PO's.
I'm not condoning it when a PO 'loses it' but I do understand why PO's do lose it. Do-gooders refuse that kind of evidence & without delay bleat racism.
The culprits are generally brilliant actors when the moment to act arises. Do-gooders are sucked into it like there's no tomorrow. I have witnessed some goings on from the start to the end & the aforementioned scenario is what I saw. I have also witnessed indigenous deny what they witnessed the same incident I witnessed. You make up your own conclusion. Just don't forget that a racist practised bleating racism is always the one who gets the sympathetic ear of the Leftist Media. Even the decent Aboriginal's evidence is dismissed.
Try to work out a solution to that problem. The first hurdle you'll stumble on will be Paul1405.
Please don't forget about the many genuine & decent Aborigines who are better citizens than many of the non-indigenous.

Are the aboriginals racist toward police?

They may well be, as so many private individuals are,
some - probably with good reason. However,
Aboriginals and others, have not taken an official oath
to serve and protect, and obey the law,
without malice and ill-will. The police
officers have - it's supposed to be their job and
duty. There in, lies the difference between private
individuals and those who are supposed to protect everyone.

an official oath
to serve and protect, and obey the law,
Foxy,
thanks to Leftist lawyers & other hypocrites, Police are not allowed to obey some of the Law anymore.

Q- Are the police racist against aboriginal people?

A- No. Most aboriginal people appear racist against white people. White people keep giving aboriginals things- aboriginals want the white people driven into the sea. If aboriginals don't like living in white territories then they can live on their reservations- I'm sure white people are stupid enough to give them money to build, supply electricity, etc if they want it.
When I see the behavior of aboriginals on Youtube I don't like the thought that we aren't locking many more up. Ten aboriginals in Alice threatened a pizza shop owner and wrecked his stop. Groups sitting around and sniffing petrol, glue, metho, etc even in places like Brisbane's Fortitude Valley. Old aboriginal men anally raping 13 year olds. It seems that they lack meaning but anyone that tries to help them dig themselves out of their hole is seen as a coconut traitor Uncle Tom loyal to white interest.
At some stage the idea that this is still somehow white fault is absurd- and it becomes obvious that "help" is "evil support" of a corrupt culture.

Some aboriginals have escaped from the black hole of aboriginal victimhood- good on them- if they want to live with white people. It obvviously not the same as living in a stable society of their own people- but at least their children and loved ones will be safe.

Calling Police racist towards criminal Aborigines is no different to saying decent folk are racist towards bad people. None of this has anything to do with racism, it's all about bad & antagonistic behaviour. Decent people feel the same about bad non-Aborigines as they feel about bad Aborigines. To make it a racial issue is prove of the vindictive mentality of indisciplined people who use race as a very, very poor excuse & attempt to divert attention from themselves.

Some far right white extremists, you know the ones who come on here ranting about communists, and wanting a totalitarian police state imposed, just like the so called communists want. these people make unsubstantiated clams about Aboriginal people, here's an example without any kind of evidence;

"Most aboriginal people appear racist against white people. White people keep giving aboriginals things- aboriginals want the white people driven into the sea" the rhetoric of the hater and the bigot.

No, not true, as for the question I posed, yes there are entrenched racists within the police forces of Australia, plenty of evidence for that. The typical officer tends to be a white conservative with the usual amount of bias against minority groups, aboriginals and gay being some of those neo-nark coppers will target.

The instigator of this thread, well known on the forum s a hard right conservative who regularly advocates voting for extremists like One Nation. He opened the discussion with the line; "To regain government , the Coalition must:" and then a serious of right wing do's that he believes the majority of Australians embrace. Including a number of philosophical pet hates like; cut funding to the ABC and clean out the moderates, and what make the ABC his instrument of propaganda, and have extreme right-winngers running everything. What the Australian people want is moderate progressive government concerned with their needs and aspirations. Not some Trumpters goose-stepping around the place.

Many of the Police in aboriginal communities are aboriginal themselves, and have the job of arresting offenders who are by proportion of population in the area aboriginal.

"The Northern Territory Police Force is the police body that has legal jurisdiction over the Northern Territory. in (2021-22 financial year) made up of 83 senior sergeants, 228 sergeants, 912 constables, 220 auxiliaries, and 64 Aboriginal Community Police Officers."
"You can get the Northern Territory police caution in 18 Aboriginal languages. The caution is used by police when they want to question a suspect. Read more about Aboriginal language police cautions on the Department of the Chief Minister and Cabinet website."

Paul1405,
The whole point is to curb & stop the indoctrination of vulnerable voters by deceitful & vindictive un-truth tellers such as yourself & help these voters to see the heinous tactics & vote accordingly. What you refer to as truth, decent people call manipulation. You call out racism where & when there is no racism. You are an instigator of racism or at least racial disharmony to get your perverse satisfaction. You deliberately & constantly twist comments when warranted criticism is aired. You are not a good citizen & I hope we can prevent you from infecting vulnerable people with your perverse mentality.
I hope people realise that your truth is told with bad intent & beats all the lies one can invent.
Why not try to do the right thing by not constantly trying to get two wrongs to make a right.
We 'old conservatives' are trying to make things better, you on the other try to perpetuate disharmony. It is due to people such as yourself that no gaps get bridged. Wake up !

"The instigator of this thread, well known on the forum s a hard right conservative "

The instigator of the thread was Paul!!

Indyvidual,

We can disagree without being disagreeable.

Foxy,
yes however, Paul1405 does not disagree, he opts for confrontation 99% of the time. When all he'd have to do is reply with an alternative solution he instead chooses incitement & derailing of debate. He must be studying the Woke text books full time.

Unlike you Mhaze, I make mistakes, and admit to them. Yes I did post that in the WRONG THREAD. No one can fool a Trumpster like you.

I agree with much of what Josephus has said. I was a relieving Police Sergeant in some of the remote regions of NSW with a high concentration of Indigenous folk. Even the most patient police officer will surely tire both physically and mentally with the constant barrage of criticism levelled against police, the Courts, the prison service and any other persons of authority they may come across. It is well-known Aboriginals do their Gaol so much easier than other races, with all manner of gratuities and benefits afforded them beyond what an ordinary individual in custody would receive.

Why may you? The colour of their skin and the fear their gaolers have of their immense power should they wish to use it.

" No one can fool a Trumpster like you."

Red letter day.... Paul says something that's true.

Surely all of us should be able to learn from
what's happening around the world at the moment.
"Life appears to me too short to be spent
nursing animosity, or registering wrongs."

(Charlotte Bronte) .

Enjoy your week-end Folks.

Big hug to everyone.

mhaze, I was being somewhat flippant there, it must have escaped you. Dangers Doctor Donald fools his followers, that's you, every day of the week. You fall for his lying BS, hook, line and sinker. All he needs to do is pull on the string and his devotees, that's you, splash about like there's no tomorrow.

p/s Who do you believe is the most Donald like alternative leader for Australia? Don't say yourself, although judging by your posts, you could be a perfect Donald clone with an Aussie accent. Hummmmmmmm!

Those advocating for a Police State, and there are some who do, would never see the coppers as anything other than the dutiful servants of the state, sorry people. Always acting for the greater good of the majority, well all those included in their Utopian Police State where summery executions and torture of the unworthy is the everyday norm.

summery executions
Paul1405,
Not just in summer, every season is suitable ! Why you keep waffling on about Police State etc is a clear indicator of your poor but perverse mentality. Please tell, how do discipline & respect & pulling one's weight translate into a Police State ? Police State is a situation that arises from dimwits such as you being perpetual recalcitrants, not because of decent folk.
Are you saying Police are looking down the street & as soon as they spot an Aborigine they lock them up ? Of course they don't. When they spot a criminal Aborigine they do the same as they do with every ethnicity who does wrong, they arrest them but unlike non-indigenous, they soon let them free again because insipid & scared Magistrates & Law makers & money hungry Lawyers tell them to.

Here's an idea...

What if we gave police officers bikes instead of cars?

How would they arrest people?

"Allright, now get in the basket."

Indy,

Yes, summary not summery, no mistake when a gubbah calls one "A CONCRETE JUNGLE BUNNY", knowing full well that person has some aboriginal ancestry, the meaning from the racists is crystal clear, no matter how you spell it out!

Paul1405,
Yawn !

Paul wrote: "You fall for his lying BS, hook, line and sinker. "

You know Paul, your deranged assertions might carry more weight if you were able to provide a few facts to back 'em up. Rather than just spluttering out leftist talking points, you could offer examples of these lies you alleged I've fallen for.

But you can't. Firstly its not in your skill set. But more to the point, what you alleged are lies are merely differences of opinion.

But we all know that too the leftist mind, particularly the dull ones, merely disagreeing with leftist talking points is the same thing as lying. Its rather pathetic.

Why can't the recalcitrants accept that it is behaviour not complexion that is the core of the nonsense ?

Hi Indyvidual,

Perhaps it's just people trying to understand and
make sense of it all - that they themselves have
not experienced or can understand. That's why the
complexity. It's not always simple -as we know.

PS: -

Don't you just love insults. You always find out
amazing things about yourself you never knew.

mhaze,

Your folk hero and new age messiah the Dangerous Doctor Donald's, record is 34,593 lying utterances, its true you believe them all. One that I recall you banging on about particularly often was Donald's claim he had Covid under control in America, that was before a million Americans passed into the hereafter. The biggie you like to believe is Crazy Donald won the 2020 election!

Gubbah Indy,

Yes, you can try to hide from the fact that once knowing I had Aboriginal heritage you racially abused me by calling me "a concrete jungle bunny" You did apologise for that bit of racial vilification, and I did forgive you for it, but I still remind you of it now and then.

knowing I had Aboriginal heritage
Paul1405,
No, I didn't know because I recall you stating at some point in the distant past here you made reference to an Indian/Mauritian heritage not Aborigine.
Calling you a CJB was not vilifying you because when I thought of that term I meant it to be light-hearted. Sensing an opportunity to feign indignation you instantly made it racial.
Sad really.

Paul wrote: "[Trump's] record is 34,593 lying utterances,"

Now you're just making stuff up. I wonder if you see the irony of fabricating stuff about lies. Probably not.

What I find most interesting about these reactions to Trump is the way they have utterly missed the story. People like Paul and Foxy and others here, preen themselves as supporters of the working and lower classes. Yet they utterly despise Trump who is now, in the US, the hero and main hope of the workers and lower class. This is just one short summary of a world shattering turn of events...

http://twitter.com/RealMattCouch/status/1763949805645046005

(I also showed a couple of weeks back that new official IRS figures showed that the Trump tax cuts heavily favoured the lower class and heavily disfavoured the wealthier taxpayers. Quite how Paul and Foxy etc ignore that is something for them and their conscience.)

Now I suspect this will go over the usual heads, but this is why Trump matters and this is why its so idiotic for people who think they support the lower classes to reject Trump. Supporting Trump's opponents means supporting the upper classes and supporting massive transfers of wealth from the lower to the upper classes. But Paul etc will continue to self-delude themselves into thinking the opposite.

Do you believe many officers are predisposed racists with their attitudes and actions towards Aboriginal people?
Paul1405,
I presume Police has standard policy re people of various ethnicities as ethnicity directly translates into cultural differences. I don't think there could be anything more normal than that.
Caucasians are constantly labelled as the cause of societal problems as is witnessed with just about every excuse by non-caucasians looking for blame.
I haven't heard of Aborigines going about their life being arrested for looking like Aborigines.
There is no greater assurance for no problems to arise than when behaving in a considerate manner.

I think that Pauliar has lied more frequently than Trump.

Considering all the crap the police have to put up with from the Aboriginal community in the NT, it is easy to see where the unfavourable opinions come from.

Pauliar, given that you are a tiny fraction of Aboriginal then you can only be a tiny bit offended.

Mixed race soccer player, Sam Kerr, has been charged in the UK with racially aggravated harassment of a police officer. Let's see if the ABC and local MSM bangs on about that.

None of us know what was involved in the Sam Kerr case
so we should not pre-judge. All that's been claimed is
that it involved an incident with a taxi and using
inappropriate language against a police officer. Who
was guilty of what - we don't know, yet. The case has
yet to be heard And Kerr denies the charges.

None of us know lots of things about reported criminal allegations, but it doesn't stop SOME of us making judgments: about an innocent Cardinal; rape allegations before they go to court - there are a number of incidents by bloody hypocrites here, who suddenly lecture us on a media report concerning a mix-race, lefty lesbian.

Not all of the posters on this forum are smartasses.
Some are actually skilled, trained, professionals
in pointing out the obvious and they speak fluent sarcasm.

The question of how many NT Aboriginals are also rampant racists along with being traditional alcoholic wife beaters and child molesters?

Shadow Minister,

Sorry, we can't hear you over the little voice in our
heads screaming - "Why only talk about Aborigines?"

Foxy,

The answer is simple. The stats show that domestic and other violence is roughly 30 times higher in Aboriginal communities than in any other community.

Most people accept that there are crap heads in every ethnic group. Why is it that when one group stands out in that field, drawing attention to that creates so much anger in those trying to keep these figures quiet ? Would they not benefit from discussing solutions rather than dispute every remark on the subject ?
I have been a victim of theft in Sydney, the Gold Coast & in remote communities. The culprits were non-indigenous & indigenous with a bit of pretend indigenous thrown in yet those in authority did not want to investigate the incidences with indigenous. Those incidences involving non-indigenous were looked into but nothing else. Those with indigenous involvement were simply dismissed as "nothing we can do about it" or like the last incident "we asked him if he did it & he he said no" & that was it.

SA now has a special racially-inspired Voice for people claiming some connection or other to aboriginality. Only aboriginal-identifiers will be able to get their snouts in the money trough. Only aboriginal- identifiers will be able to vote the snouts in. One of them is already in Parliament. At least he claims to be aboriginal, despite the fact that a professional ancestry search revealed that not one of his ancestors has a drop of aboriginal blood.

The lies live on.

Shadow Minister,

If only we could develop and deliver programs by a
clinical team in collaboration with Aboriginal Elders
to offer Aboriginal men to develop skills, a sense of
responsibility, meaningful employment, good physical
health, and emotional and spiritual strength.

But, this would require listening to Aboriginal voices
as to what would work in their communities and as we
know the country voted against the Voice to Parliament
to try to seek advice and solutions from the locals to
their problems.

" as we know the country voted against the Voice to Parliament
to try to seek advice and solutions from the locals to
their problems."

No. The country voted against a CONSTITUTIONAL body with unspecified powers.

I spent the 14 months prior to the referendum trying to educate you on that one point and even now you still fail to understand it. Which, of course, means you never will get it.

The lawyers for alleged racist, Sam Kerr, have announced that they will try to have the charge of racially abusing a police office dropped. Good luck with that. The Poms are red not on race things - a lot hotter than here,

What should be 'dropped' is Kerr herself - from soccer.

There are already headlines bleating "What are we going to tell them", referring to little girls, to whom this person is a 'heroine', wanting to follow in her footsteps.

The days when sporting people could be held up to youngsters as a good example have gone down the toilet with all the other things that once made Australia a great place.

Foxy,

This has been tried many times and has failed.

mhaze,

You should not be left unattended.

____________________________________________________________________

Shadow Minister,

It has not been tried in the way it was proposed.
Therein was the difference.

Talking about Australia being a "good place" for sports people?

Not everyone would agree. Certainly not Aboriginal Australian
players like Adam Goodes - who was booed by spectators. Nor
Israel Folau who had his contract terminated. Nor the Hawthorn
Football Club's historical record of its treatment of
Aboriginal players, to name just a few.

I wonder what she actually said or did ?

Who said Australia was a good place for sports people? What prompted Foxy to say - apropos of nothing it seems - “Talking about Australia being a "good place" for sports people?”

I suppose people in a frenzy of commenting on everything as many times as possible tend to be careless with their reading of what others write.

According to the web:

"The charge relates to an incident involving a police officer
who was responding to a complaint involving a taxi fare on
30 January 2023 in Twickenham."

" Kerr was accused of using insulting, threatening or abusing words
that caused alarm or distress to PC Lovell."

Kerr denies the charges. The case is ongoing.

"mhaze, You should not be left unattended."

Foxy you've be complaining a lot recently about being insulted. But you really can't whine when your first thought when outed as being on the wrong side of this or that is to reach for the latest ill-considered invective in your rather extensive arsenal.

I would cordialy invite any of you critics of police to accompany me on some of the foot-beats in and around Redfern, Sydney NSW. Oh before I forget a little preparation is suggested...Some rudimentary boxing lessons woyld be helpful togwther with some fundamental understandung of what they call 'bong talk' the white fella doesn't understand. And a resiliant 'spit mask' is a must They'll furnish you with as much legal aid support you may need - Though many in the judiciary are well on their side, so rarely is an outside brief necessary., save for capital offence/s

And to answer those who wish to know - Yes I've decked a number of our indiginous brothers over the years, not before being flogged myself and conveyed to casualty. Our Black brothers have a penchant for the fabled 'King hit'

Good day, Foxy. I hope you're well...

I've always held you in high intellectual regard until I read your opening post. Dear lady, we're not living in Disneyland and you've proved that you have no fundamental idea what *REALISTIC* policing involves or otherwise. You're always quoting this report or that - Reports are churned out on your typewriter. While the troops at the workface, are trying to interdict a knife fight or a nasty brawl. Actually Foxy, until they hit the trail either in 4 x wheels or two (usually the 'Jacks') you're strictly abiding by a running sheet. This keeps *ALL* police in line.

Agh what's the point FOXY, you're totally blind to reality. You know, we used to have an epithet for your kind -However, given your gender - a much kinder version, may aver - the bane of the police is some corkhead who may tell you that you have no rights or powers to take him or her into custody.

Could you see any clear-minded man or woman seriously jeopardising years of super? Or his, good name and reputation?

A quick story. I was being investigated by the ombudsman for using excessive force during a demontration. He castigated me, up hill and down dale. I very respectfully asked him to show me how to do it. Like you and others FOXY, he had no fundamental idea.

There's a furore about a bloke tying up two indigenous kids until the Police arrived somewhere in the NT. Naturally, the bloke is copping crap from the Law for doing that. There was a similar incident in Nth Qld a few weeks back where a couple of blokes broke & tried to breack into a home but the home owner & a friend overpowered them & zip-tied them till the Police arrived. The Police arrested the homeowner.
Several years ago, an indigenous bloke told me that older blokes send kids to break into homes & cars because they don't get arrested. The older blokes take off with the loot or say the home wasn't locked (because the kids unlocked it from the inside).
I'd like to hear what the do-gooders think should happen in such situations ?

Seems to me that the man would have a good reason to go to the trouble of restraining the kids. The oh-so-compassionate do gooders who put on a tantrum when they see this sort of thing don't seem to have their TVs on when these feral little bastards are making householders lives a misery, and getting away with it.

I know, I know. Kids are protected, particularly if their skin is a certain colour - although many years ago, white kids pinched my milk money off the doorstep, and when my neighbour chased them, held them and called the police, the police were more interested in badgering him for holding the kids than than they were about the kids stealing.

I have never taken the law into my own hands, but I'm on the side of those who do, now, where the police and the law are useless.

What did Kerr say, someone asked.

She is alleged to have called a police officer a "stupid white bastard".

Kerr is also reported as being sick in the cab after a night out.

Classy! A Great example for young aspiring soccer players. An insult to the country she was a visitor in, and an embarrassment for her own country.

As well-known person, Kerr has done a service to the community by demonstrating that people who have been lambasting us whites as racists are, themselves, anti-white racists. They have been projecting their own racism onto white people for years. Now, Kerr and her sort are overtly putting their own racism out there for all to see. The are pushing the pendulum against themselves.

Dear O Sung Wu,

I stand by what I posted on page 1 of this discussion.
That it is hard to judge others when you're not in their
job. Plus the fact that there is an ongoing investigation.
And I also said that there undoubtedly are good police
officers just doing their job. I know. I have relatives in
the force.

Anyhow, Thank you for your concern. I always read your posts
and try to learn from them.

Take care.

Regarding Samantha Kerr?

Samantha Kerr is one of the most famous and successful
Australian soccer players in the world. She's the
all-time leading scorer for the Matildas, Australia's
Women's National Team. And, she has won numerous
individual and team awards.

Is Sam Kerr an Aboriginal?

No. Her father Roger Kerr was born in Calcutta, India to
an English father and an Indian mother. Her mother
Roxanne Kerr is of Irish descent.

Kerr has said that she's proud of her Indian heritage.
However, Kerr has spoken on the subject of the importance
of Indigenous representation in Australian sport. This is
where some people get confused that Kerr is Aboriginal.

Kerr has never claimed or acknowledged herself as
Aboriginal.

As for swearing in public?

Anyone watched Gordon Ramsay recently

As I keep stating, it's the racists who keep bleating racism. Many are so saturated with indoctrination that they are totally oblivious to their unwarranted prejudice.
They're making it hard for themselves for nothing.

Racists come in all colours.

In Marcus Samuelsson's Memoir, "Yes Chef," Samuelsson
lists his favourite chefs with one notable ommission.
He left out Gordon Ramsay. Ramsay rang him and went
into his usual tirade.. However, this time the
tirade went even further with Ramsay calling
Samuelsson - "You f*ing black bastard!"

Ramsay was never charged.

The hypocritical Left is rushing to defend alleged racist Kerr, who vomited in a London taxi, refused to pay for the cleaning, then called a police officer trying to deal with her disgusting and arrogant behaviour a “stupid white bastard”.

“She ONLY called the cop a ‘stupid WHITE bastard’. That's not racism”, they are whining.

The ABC is asking if what she said is ‘really racist’, knowing that they would be dead set sure that she was racist if Kerr was a white person saying that to a black person, and not half-Indian.

Why is this being made into a racist issue? There's
all sorts of inappropriate behaviour coming from all
sorts of people in our communities and on this forum.

Must we read racism into everything - blaming some behaviour
and not others - and then trying to bring politics into
it as well - the Left/Right slurs raising their ugly head again.

We've yet to see where all this will end. Perhaps it will
end like it did for Barnaby Joyce, or as it does for Gordon
Ramsay. Why is only Sam Kerr's behaviour being singled out?
Of course by the sound of it - her behaviour appears awful.
But the matter is still not finished - and we don't know the
entire story.

Just saying.

It appears we have not properly defined what racism is by the words used. If a person's skin colour or characteristics are used in anger to defame or demean them is that racist under the law? Like "White" "bastard" is it an attempt to make them a lesser person than yourself?

Foxy,

If Kerr did call a policeman a white bastard then that was a racist hate crime.

As Kerr is a model for behaviour this would be very serious.

While many left whingers don't consider that people can be racist against white people, this is racism itself.

If this did not happen then this is a storm in a teacup.

Shadow Minister,

Gordon Ramsay also called a black man - an "F*ing black bastard."
Ramsay wasn't charged. Why do you suppose that was?
What's good for the goose?

Also why is Sam Kerr being charged now - when the
incident happened so long ago? Is it because she's
a threat to their winning at sport?

And, talking about colours?

There's B'dazzled Blue
Baby Blue, Bahia, and Baikal
There's Bali Hai, not only Black
So man B's that we can whack

And talking about W's?
It's not only simple whites
There's watery and windswept
And also warm and wild

We have so many choices
In colours that we hack
Lets not be simply lazy
In choosing white or black.

As Carlo Cippollo (‘The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity’) says, there is no defence against stupid people. One of them is now asking, “Why is this being made into a racist issue?”, because a non-white is being accused of racism, and this doesn't fit with this person's ideology - it's only white people who are racist.

When the tide turns against her, she queries the definition of racism.

A non-white calling a white a “white bastard” is racism, stupid. Only an extreme Left hypocrite wouldn't see that. You don't get to pick and choose when something is as plain as the nose on your face, and it is uttered by ‘one of the chosen’ i.e a racist who is not white.

Kerr has by no means been “singled out”, when white people are being accused of racism - rightly or wrongly - in their hundreds every day by stupid, hypocritical Leftists.

ttbn, I'm under no obligation to make sense to you.
I am who I am. Your approval is not needed.

Foxy,

I have no idea why GR was not charged but some possibilities:

No complaint was made,
the man was not a policeman, etc

This is all irrelevant to Kerr's case.

"Stupid hypocritical leftists,"
Whimpers the battle cry
From the old key-board warriors
Who aren't prepared to die

The only thing that can be done
To shut these old guys up
Is hope it won't be long
Before they get their snub

Still there's something to be said
As to what these guys can do
They are magicians in disguise
Which none of us quite knew

These guys have a skill, an acknowledged knack
They can turn a bowl of baked beans
Into an empty room
And that folks, is a fact.

Shadow Minister,

There are so many here arguing and fighting over
issues which don't have much relevance. You included.

Foxy

No obligation to make sense, and as you clearly have no self-respect, keep on proving how cranky the Left is.

ttbn,

Talking about self-respect?

My self-respect should not concern you.
It is none of your business.

You should not concern yourself about me.

You should Worry about WHY you are taking such an interest
in me.

I'm not "concerned" about you. Your stupidity, arrogance and non-stop nagging just irritate me occasionally, you awful person.

Foxy,

It has been tried nearly 17 times and ways and has always failed. The Arabs refuse to accept that Israel should exist.

Wrong thread.

Sam Kerr gets blind drunk, spews in a taxi, refuses to pay for the taxi and clean up and then racially abuses a cop

All of that the hypocrisy and double standards people are showing is astounding

The excuse machine is revving up !

As I said: they want to change the definition of racism when one of their own "chosen people" presents herself as a down and out, fair dinkum racist.

ttbn, I'd say a drunkard black racist.

Talking about "awful people?",

Sigh, again.

I'll regret this - but here goes:

ttbn,

How can you sit on your high horse and point fingers
and accuse me of all sorts of things when you refuse to
acknowledge anything about yourself and don't even
deal with your own many issues?

Only narcisstic people or very insecure people see and
point out faults in others and don't see or ever look
at their own pathetic flaws and faults.

You call me an "awful person," and being as thick as
"pig's manure." Nice.

But at least I'm human.

Whereas you certainly don't behave like a human being.

Still, I guess no matter how many times a snake sheds
its skin, it will always be a snake.

Josephus

As a part Indian, probably not categorised as black, but obviously someone who has sounded of about racism instead of just playing soccer. A true hypocrite.

Foxy

I revealed you as a narcissist some time ago. I have academic knowledge of the condition, and I am aware that it is impossible for you to recognise the condition in yourself - it is quite extreme.

Your narcissism is revealed in your amazing accusation that I refuse to “acknowledge anything about (myself) and don't even deal with (my) own many issues”.

What? Like you?

You are projecting your own problems onto someone else: me in this case, but you regularly do the same thing to other posters.

You won't/can't accept this of course because of your condition.

You are ‘human’, but I am not? You are worse than I thought you were. Much worse.

Not only am I not human, I'm a snake. You truly are an awful person; there's no denying it, albeit your nastiness being due to your mental state.

I know that you will continue your maniacal, obsessive-compulsive behaviour because you cannot help yourself.

Men often behave badly. Especially in sport.
Why can't women? Perhaps its about culture.
About the expectations that most of us have
have of women.

Lets look at the facts. What we know thus far.
Samantha Kerr (allegedly) called the police
officer a "stupid white bastard." Was that
wrong? Yes. That is wrong. She should not have
done this. But does bad behaviour qualify as
racism?

Was it really racism, or just the fact that she
allegedly lost it, and behaved badly?

And why is it being brought up so late?

Anyhow, we should wait and see what happens next.
What the courts decide. And what her sporting
organization decides to do.

ttbn,

I think you're on this forum to test my anger
management skills.

I will try not to honour you by responding in
future.

We haven't run out of human beings yet.

Foxy,

You need to add yourself to the list of spurious posters with your drivel about GR and men behaving badly.

If men behave badly they get punished are women immune?

Shadow Minister,

No one should be immune. That is the point being made.
However, we shouldn't prejudge - I'm sure you'll
agree. This forum needs a " WHY are you judging?"
button.

I can not help but be dismayed at the mentality of do-gooders. They dismiss & even criticise those with actual experiences of being part of a minority in a community no matter what race.
It is one thing to read academic sanitised versions but it is another to actually living it.
Just because someone expresses a view of wrong-doing/saying does not automatically make it racist. Perception more often than not wrong but more often than not opportunistic deliberate misinterpretation.
What is generally wrong are the Law & its upholders or more appropriately, enforcers. The Police are not the enforcers, the magistrates, Judges & jurors are. The Police are acting on impulse, experience & evidence. People who think the Police are too heavy-handed may I suggest to walk the beat with them for a while. It'd be an eye-opener for do-gooders to actually face what Police actually face & not what selective media spin shows to pander to the delirious, recalcitrant Left.

Why can't women?
Foxy.
Only just noticed that line. Sad, is all I can say ! Two wrongs will never make a Right.

Indyvidual,

You say that "Two wrongs will never make a right?"

But they make a good excuse. (smile).

But they make a good excuse. (smile).
Foxy,
Only for people like you & Paul1405. ps. have you noticed how conspicuous his absence is on topics like this one ?

Afro-American Candace Owens said that there is a crisis of fatherless families in Black families. So presumably there are a few black bastard's. In the UK there is more of a stigma with the concept of bastard than Australia- of course Kerr would be aware of it- some reports have removed the word bastard from the quote. Where one person's rights end another's don't begin. This is an example of why multiculturalism doesn't work and territorialism is the rule predating human's. Every culture needs their own nation.

Indyvidual,

Paul is currently away on holidays.
He told us he was going to be away for a time.

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Foxy,

We often see those from the left whinge yourself included) instantly judging people with little or no information (with Pell and Lehrmann for example) These dud cases with no chance of conviction are leading to prosecutors getting a severe dressing down from the judges.

I, however, have made no judgment on Kerr only discussing the hypothetical situation (what if) and have not made any statement on her guilt.

Shadow Minister,

I have done the same - trying to raise the issue for discussion.

____________________________________________________________

Now back to the interesting statement of "every culture
deserves its own nation?"

This has been raised many times on this forum - with little
comment.

History has shown that in the case of nations - "might makes
right." Every nation on Earth was built on war, and invasion.
And of course if people want to keep their nation they must
be willing and strong to protect it.

We've seen in central and eastern Europe the collapse of the
Austrian, Ottoman, and Russian empires. Although the Soviet
Union managed to re-absorb parts of its empire. And is still
trying to do that today with Ukraine.

The British are supportive of the independence of new nations
so they claim. But, it took a bloody revolution for them to
think similarly about Ireland (never mind Scotland and Wales).

The national dream also works in opposite ways. In Germany and
Italy it led to diverse groups joining into a single nation.
We have the Baltic nations. They were independent after WWI.
Were swallowed up by the Soviet regime during WWII. Regained their
independence, joined the EU - and have switched from oppression
to co-operation.

Interesting topic.

"...the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." Thucydides- History of the Peloponnesian War

But the strong usually have a retinue. Education is the key to ensure that we actually get leaders that act in our own interest. And while it's understood that the leaders get more they also take more risk and exert more effort.

Nietzsche was apparently an admirer of Thucydides and a critic of Plato.

This is interesting ... not sure if there are faults with it...

http://cis.org/Report/Jewish-Stake-Americas-Changing-Demography?utm_campaign=addtoany&utm_medium=social-media&utm_source=twitter

"might makes right." is one of the first debates of The Republic and though in a sense it is true there is a warning for the wise.

Some say talk softly but carry a big stick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Stick_ideology

Foxy - "every culture deserves its own nation"

It depends on how you determine what is a separate culture. The last thing you need is a dozen nations within a single city.

"every culture deserves its own nation"

A recipe fo ra perfect disaster in this world of so much dependence on others.

Shadow Minister,

The topic of every culture and its own nation is one that
Canem Malum brought up and has done so regularly.
I was merely trying to continue the discussion. It's an
interesting topic - I'm sure you'll agree. A good issue
to debate.

We can see some of the many issues that do arise.
And the problems that exist.

I said that "Every culture needs their own nation."

Because a culture ceases to maintain it's integrity when they don't have they own territory. This is my view as a traditionalist. There needs to be a balance between conservation and change- what is the correct balance is related to the dynamics of the community. There will be a surprise push or threat or attack (a thesis) in a direction usually because of an implicit or explicit power dynamic- followed by a protective reaction from the long standing system of principles (an anti-thesis). This conflict will lead to a negotiated compromise (a Hegelian synthesis). Enough compromises and a culture will lose it's structural integrity. As in genetics a mutation to culture is more likely probabilisticly to be disadvantageous than advantageous. In social systems such as economics there are leading and trailing indicators.

Competing tribes and nations will try to undermine your culture to increase their own power- often a fifth column/ beachhead will be used. The impact of competing tribes on the community will be influenced by how closely related they are. Some cultures are different in one point only- such as the difference between Catholicism and Protestantism. Some cultures are very divergent such as between European and Chinese culture which have been almost completely isolated from each other during their development.

Some power brokers will use a third party proxy culture or cultures as a grinder to degrade your culture for their own interest- against that of the culture- effectively enslaving your culture.

I said that "Every culture needs their own nation" because I see this as a more succinct and accurate version of the US Declaration "government of the people, by the people, for the people".

Law, food, economics, education, politics, religion, philosophy, etc, etc are forms of cultural expression.

Whether they "deserve their own nation" is another thing- but no culture deserves to be wiped out- even if certain behavior and belief's of certain cultures may be hostile to others

Clausewitz paraphrased "conflict doesn't end with the end of war".

Machiavelli said that it was easier to undermine European than Middle Eastern power structures. The Middle East (and China) never allow sub-power structures to develop within the super-power structure of the nation. Officials were rotated through different positions so that they didn't develop personal armies.

In a nation such as France the alliance of one or two lords with a foreign nation can destroy the crown.

European nations see the development of sub-power structures as a strength and necessary to adapt to new threats and opportunities.

In military strategy and tactics there is discussion of "process verses adaptability". It seems that the military favours process but tests the process in a broad range of scenarios- and then uses the resulting process adaption to feed back into process.

In a sense the "process verses adaptability" argument is the same as Machiavelli's comment on Middle Eastern and European power structures.

It's interesting that Hebrew culture was originally a Middle Eastern nation in Judea- potentially a beach head community in Europe and the West. Despite the seeming conflict between Hebrew's and other Middle Eastern nations.

Perhaps the reason for Western sub-power structures is related to the northern genetic and physical traits of Western peoples in ancient times- Western peoples were probably isolated tribes in the cold north without large scale governing structures- but requiring the proficient use of technologically advanced tools for survival through the winter.

As I understand when massive migratory invasion of slavic (slave) tribes from the Middle East occurred during the Greek Empire they displaced many European's to the north.

Every culture needs their own nation.

The Traditionalist view is different to the view of John Locke's Liberalism and Liberal Democracy.

Traditionalism is related to the political structures of Rome and the Medieval period- but Industrialism developed during the 1700's through multiple stages- as Theodore Kaczynski said "technology enslaves" and this resulted in the rise of socialism and other social movements. It seems to be the rise of technocratic industrialism and the paradox of the potential for enslavement and freedom that has caused tectonic shifts in world culture. Technocratic industrialism has mirrored the rise of the influence of university technocrats over culture.

The industrial revolution is still displacing Traditional governing principles of societies worldwide but technology isn't sufficient for life. Traditionalism is viewed as inferior to the new techno-ideologies of capitalism and socialism.

At some stage we will realize that technology isn't life. Technology is a tool.

We can't let technology displace everything else of value to us.

Some believe that Technocratic Locke Universal Liberalism is anti-life anti-self determination

Foxy,

Gay culture?
Trans culture?
Greek Culture?
Islamic culture?

If one wants a nation for each, we are looking at mass deportations.

Shadow Minister,

Those terms that you've given embrace a wide variety
of people and societies over many countries.

Gay culture?
Trans culture?
Greek Culture?
Islamic culture?

If one wants a nation for each, we are looking at mass deportations.
Posted by shadowminister

Answer-

Multiculturalism is White-Genocide. War against white.

Yes I agree- Australian politicians have created a terrible situation- but if the original creators of Australia and their ancestors (True Australian’s) believe in the sacrifices of their ancestors they need to fight for their heritage.

Obviously European culture (such as Greek 10M people) is more similar to British than Asian (3.5 Billion people) or Middle Eastern or African (1.5 Billion people) culture- marrying a foreign person is different than en masse foreign migration.

Gay Culture- seemingly started in San Francisco counter culture after World War II men returned- in places like "Castro Street". A very small amount of homosexuality has been alluded to in a military context for thousands of years- but has been understated perhaps in order to emphasise male attributes and psychological traits- what is more male than the way that sex is conducted. Men in war are in an impossible situation- commanders understand this- they want to serve their nation but they also want to live. Not being a psychologist I don't want to comment on whether being gay is a nature or nurture phenomena- of course there is much politics around this. In history the general rule is to ignore it when possible and stamp on it when not (to let gays live as long as they let us live). Gay culture have seemingly inserted their phalanx into non-Gay culture- with the assistance of foreign communist forces- to destroy western cultures. The phalanx formation was very effective in ancient warfare for breaking military lines- it's interesting to see the same technique being used in civilian society.

Trans Culture- Yes Heather Swanson has a lot to say about the role of trans culture in women's sport.

Herodotus talked about how to define culture.

I think that who is entitled to stay in Australia is related to what "True Australian’s"say they want.

The politicians didn't ask the Australian population if they wanted immigration- they told them- The True Australian Population needs to take back control of the governing of their franchise and replace the governing infrastructure of Australia- Legislature, Courts, Bureaucracy, Police, Military, etc "we will tell them".

Middle Eastern cultures (Islamic, Persian, etc)- Including Slavic (Slave), Hebrew have been invading Europe for thousands of years to establish beach heads for European and world dominance. The Chinese invaded Europe in the 1200-1300's as The Golden Horde.

Communists don't believe in ownership of property or land either individually or culturally. Dostoevsky called them Nihilists.

Elements of these cultures are literally willing to give up their lives to take our property- should we defend ourselves? Or meakly run away as cowards? And beg for someone else's goodwill to sustain us.

The Bible talks about "the good samaritan" but notice that the owner of the house didn't sell his house and give the traveller the gold proceeds. In the era of The Bible travel was a lot harder than in the modern age in which millions of African's swim from Turkey to Greece every year- and hundreds of millions of "refugees" travel the world under the protection of the UN- at what point is the UN complicit in genocide as a result of mass migration- understanding of culture was very different two thousand years ago- the progress in understanding is in many ways a result of the western culture that is being destroyed. The Bible talks about giving a man a fish or a fishing rod- but you don't give a man a weapon to use against you.

Some woke churches are more supportive of immigration than others- perhaps lost their way from the teachings of the Old and New Bible.

Nietzsche saw Christianity as an immigrant Hebrew sect- but it has seemingly been modified by European's.
Some also see Communism as an immigrant Hebrew sect. Hebrew philosophers such as Spinoza perhaps de-racialized and de-humanized religion.

You need to give consideration to the relationship of True Australian's with the different cultures.

Now to be serious.

A true Aussie:

1) Shortens their words. G'DAY (ONYA).

2) Has a great sense of humour. Takes the piss out of -

3) Is crazy about sports.

4) Believes that everyone deserves a "Fair Go."

5) Calls Australia home.

6) Knows the words to "Waltzing Matilda."

AUSTRALIAN CULTURE - INCLUDES:

Mateship

Egalitarianism

Authenticity

Optimism

Humility

Informality

Easy-going

Common sense

And of course - humour.

You're welcome.

Foxy

So which culture goes where?

Answer continued...

Under the auspices of equality you are disallowed to form organisations that exclude other cultures in Australia even if this constitutes genocide of your culture.

Some have talked about paying people to be deported voluntarily as a way of protecting Australia from genocide- this is a relatively peaceful option- another option is civil war- most people would prefer a peaceful option. I think that "True Australian's" are very generous people- we are happy to give temporary refuge to help refugee's get their homelands back- even if it takes multiple generations- if we have excess capacity. But I hope we are not going to commit cowardly suicide so that we can think of ourselves as virtuous.

What some seem to forget is that it is only by culture and common ancestral interest that people are willing to give up their own interest- and sometimes their lives- to others for group goals. Civic Nationalism seems doomed to failure from this perspective.

In the end if a people want self determination the generally accepted principle is that they should have it. This is why Yugoslavia was partitioned- into Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Kosavo, etc.

Another solution to the genocide of British Australian's is to divide Australia into different parts so that each part can have self determination. I can understand that Foxy not being part of British Australia might resent the concept but the UN provides for it. Apparently Leon Trotsky was one of the first to use the term racist as a description of those that were against communism.

But it seems the real cause of mass world migration is certain national government's mismanagement of population or an intentional policy of aggressive invasion by overpopulation.

The Elizabethan era is now over.

Perhaps it's time for us to move into the
Australian era?

I think I played the topic fairly well there but if Foxy wants to play the man then good on her.

The topic has more than just one side. The beauty of a
mosaic is not due to merely one shade of tile.

A mosaic has grout between the tiles.

I prefer not to eat a brown unidentified mess without thought- a bunch of stuff thrown into a put and boiled without thought as to it's health, taste, etc. "Soup" communist nihilist's answer to food.

I also preferred not to eat the watery Sunday roasts that
were served up by neighbours, or awful meat pies,
or decorate Christmas trees with balloons and paper
streamers instead of traditional glass decorations. The
square loaves of white bread were not too endearing either.
Neither were the bland choices of products in shops.

But all that changed with immigrants making demands.
The work of a society
and culture is never done. These conversations about how
we integrate people and how we reconcile the past, present,
and future are very important.

Foxy,

Now we are living in the Labor error.

Shadow Minister,

The errors of the past is the wisdom of the future.
(smile).

Foxy,
there is no wisdom in not letting wounds heal !

Foxy,

"The errors of the past are the wisdom of the future."

The frequency and severity of Labor's cock ups will make us all geniuses in the future

Indyvidual,

Wounds can't heal if harm continues.

Shadow Minister,

Then we should be grateful for that - right?

Shadow Minister,

Certainly migrants make an enormous contribution to
Australia's economy and international students'
educational activity also has not only raised
standards but has also contributed billions.

Wounds can't heal if harm continues.
Foxy,
And, who in the case of policing in Australia is perpetuating the harm ?

Never take favours from the mafia or immigrants.

We're all immigrants, of either today, yesterday,
or the day before.

As for taking favours from the mafia?

As the Godfather said:

" Everyone is your friend, until you ask them for a
favour."

Foxy,
How does Mafia doctrine differ from the guilt industry doctrine ?

Foxy,

"Certainly migrants make an enormous contribution to
Australia's economy and international students
educational activity also has not only raised
standards but has also contributed billions."

True for some migrants (usually legal migrants)
And very untrue for others.

Universities seem to support woke/ communism in the effort to destroy and replace western society but they also seek donations from older Australian's in their "will".

Universities are seemingly the main drivers of the Education/ Immigration Industry in the Western World- don't support them.

This takes or distorts the jobs/ housing markets for your children.

I suggest that Australian's vote in favour of their families.

Universities are raising money under the auspices of developing Australia but their propaganda seems contradictory.

I suggest that Australian's don't put universities in their will.

Foxy appears to be Anti-White.