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The Forum > General Discussion > Farnham Gives You're the Voice song to the Voice to Parliament YES Campaign.

Farnham Gives You're the Voice song to the Voice to Parliament YES Campaign.

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WTF? states:

"When it was pointed out that the National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA) has published a 270 page document outlining how this process could take place there was a 360 degree turn"

A 180 degree turn? The key word there is "could". Aside from debasing democracy by making a group of people privileged based on their heritage, the wording in the referendum gives no indication of the specific system that you would vote for or against. So maybe the No campaigners did do a 360 degree turn?
Posted by Fester, Monday, 4 September 2023 9:47:34 PM
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Fester

Yes I did mean 180 degrees.

Yes the word is "could" nobody is trying to dictate anything from that document but it does gives possibilities just the same way that Voice is not dictating anything but is designed to open up possibilities.
Posted by WTF? - Not Again, Monday, 4 September 2023 9:54:33 PM
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mhaze

On Tuesday Meta cited RMIT FactLab's expired certification from the International Fact-Checking Network as a key reason behind the move.

RMIT was aware of Meta's decision and its accreditation with the fact-checking network was being renewed, a university spokeswoman said.

The network had confirmed FactLab's fact-checking met all its standards and adhered to its code of principles, the spokeswoman said.

"RMIT FactLab stands by the accuracy of its work to date and remains dedicated to slowing the spread of viral misinformation and disinformation through its fact checks," she said.

I do believe one of the authors who says the Uluru Statement is a one page document and that there are other pages to provide context to the statement.

I know the difference between a statement and it's accompanying documents that provide some context.

I have yet to see anyone on this forum give their view on this context providing material.
Posted by WTF? - Not Again, Monday, 4 September 2023 10:08:19 PM
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Hi Fester,

Not all are concerned with money, maybe Mr Farnham and others have alternative motives for "lending" their voice and the song "You're the Voice" to the 'YES' campaign. Although I intend to vote 'YES' I now have taken a position closer to that of Lidia Thorpe and the 'Black Sovereign Movement' which advocate a 'NO' vote, believing the proposal doesn't go far enough. Regardless of the outcome, First Nations people will still have to continue the struggle for recognition, truth telling, treaty and sovereignty. The struggle for equality and to overcome disadvantage will also continue for many.

Simple "recognition" of Black Australia in the Australian Constitution would be a feel good, lardy-dardy exercise for white Australia, but nothing great would be achieved by it alone. The Voice as a consultative body to government, I see as a positive step, but in no way would it be a panacea for all that ails the indigenous. Should the referendum be shot down, and its likely it will be, then so be it, just anther set back in what has been a very long struggle for First Nations people. Having old white blokes jumping up and down about it, shows maybe that Australia is not ready to take that tiny step, and entrenched bigotry, racism and hatred of Aboriginal people is still very much alive and well in the Australian community.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 5:57:56 AM
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a very long struggle for First Nations people.
Paul1405,
Idealistic & emotional words but exactly what struggle are you referring to ? The struggle to muster the efforts needed to access & maintain post stone age existence ? I don't recall ever hearing any argument about the Aborigines desiring to revert to their hunter gatherer wanderer existence. I only ever hear of the demands to get better conditions provided rather than the desire to work for them. You see, everything you demand is from the efforts of people working every day & contributing taxes from which many of these demands are covered. Attending college at others' expense is nothing more than tokenistic in most cases. Why do we never get to hear from Aborigines & part Aborigines & Islanders who do work, contribute & achieve like normal, responsible people world-wide ? No, that's not very handy for hanger-on activists who don't share the idea of commitment & effort, their subscription is with bleating & accusation whilst keeping that Gap wide enough to perpetuate their claims of discrimination whilst milling around the Govt funding instititions like vultures ! There are indigenous success stories but they are a threat to the activists hence them not being publicised ! They do all that without the need for another fund-guzzling Bureaucracy occupied by bureaudroids likes of you ! As i said earlier, it's a case of parasitism vs symbiosis !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 6:38:56 AM
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Keep digging that hole WTF?.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/voice-to-parliament/new-book-reveals-uluru-statement-is-15-pages-long-appearing-to-contradict-pms-claims-the-document-is-only-one-page/news-story/9164a65fee4cbbad556fe63076ab8e41
Posted by Fester, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 6:59:21 AM
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