Dear mhaze,

Not a single reference showing the changes. We really don't have time to scurry after you down your crackpot rabbit holes.

How about spelling it out with references we can check.

"we should encourage China, India, Africa to keep their populations at more sustainable levels." I note he only mentions "coloured" countries, no mention of densely populated white cities and countries, keeping their populations at more sustainable levels, up to 30% of people in developed countries live below the accepted poverty line. The underlying narrative from this bloke is, white lives matter more than any other and have a superior right to exists over others. Oh yes, another bit of nonsense about communism is included as usual.

I once thought the problems of the world regarding population were a third world problem, then I realised they were problems foisted onto people in the third world by the greed of Capitalism by people in the first world, it started with direct colonial exploration by the British and others, then later it become more of remote economic exploration by America and those of their ilk. Now there are those like CM demanding the third world fix "their problems" created by first world exploitation. Maybe we should all work together to fix OUR problems.

If you look at the top national populations of the world the top 2 (India and China) are bigger than the next 18.

Africa has four times the land area of the US and also has four times the population of the US- but Africa has much worse stability than the US. And even though Africa has four times the land area of the US- they say that the US doesn't treat Blacks well. I think that Blacks don't treat Whites well.

SR,

This probably didn't occur to you but once they make the change then all previous iterations of the database are removed. Therefore its impossible to show what the data looked like before the changes.

But perhaps I can show you a place you might trust that showed that the purported trend was much lower back in the time before the alarmists decided the data needed to be tortured into telling the approved story.

Go here.... http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=17749#314263

Here we see a fellow called SteeleRedux who advised that the HADCrut4 trend was 0.084c/decade. That same trend not using HADCrut5 is 0.155c/decade. Now I'm sure you'll point out (and I'd readily agree) that we really can't trust this SteeleRedux fellow as regards numbers since he's shown ample times that numbers and statistics confuse him no end. But on this occasion we can trust what he said back in 2015 since I'd schooled him on how to get these trend calculations. So in 2015 the data showed a trend rise of 0.084c/decade and now the data shows a trend rise of 0.155c/decade ie it's virtually doubled.

But the alarmists will ignore that because.....narrative.

I think we may as well stop trying to achieve net-zero because the fight to save the planet is over.

On 21 June 2018 that world famous climate scientist Greta Thunberg advised that "climate change will wipe out all of humanity unless we stop using fossil fuels over the next 5 years". Well the five years is nearly up and we didn't stop using fossil fuels. So its all over.

We are finished unless world famous climate scientist Thunberg was wrong but that can't be so. After all she graduated high school just this month!

So we may as well live it up waiting for the apocalypse.

OTOH, that other world famous climate scientist Greta Thunberg advised this month that future generations will suffer if we don't phase out fossil fuels soon. So clearly Thunberg thinks Thunberg was wrong to say humanity would be wiped out this month.

For these catastrophists the end is always nigh and never quite occurs. But the followers believe it no matter what.