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Is this the time to take zero emission nuclear power seriously?
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Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 15 May 2023 11:03:36 AM
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Does Zero emission equate to Zero radioactive waste for future generations to deal with ?
To lower real emission & curb pollution requires lowering the number of people crapping all over the Planet ! Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 15 May 2023 3:31:08 PM
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So far, 3 TRILLION dollars has been spent on unreliable wind and solar to reduce reliance on fossil fuels by ONE per cent.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 15 May 2023 3:57:28 PM
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Posted by mhaze, Monday, 15 May 2023 4:24:07 PM
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mhaze,
With more luck than so many people deserve, this technology might just buy humanity enough time to wake up & stop excess breeding at everyone else’s expense ! Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 15 May 2023 10:26:02 PM
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indyvidual,
Your concerns about population are so 20th century. The fact is the population issue is already resolved and the biggest concern for most of the developed world over the new 50-100 years will be a declining population. True enough some as yet un- or under-developed nations will continue to see increasing population, but even they are seeing the rate of increase declining. Concern about the so-called 'population bomb' were always a 'sky-is-falling' issue, more a misreading of temporary trends than an actual danger. Still, whatever danger did exist is no longer there. Of course, when people talk of the need to reduce population, they really mean having less black and brown babies. The rest of the demographic is already in decline. Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 8:49:16 AM
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I am perfectly happy to see nuclear development, provided it is cost effective, which is yet to be proved here.
Meanwhile, recent extremely cold temperatures, records in many places, are showing that CO2 has little if any effect on temperatures, so perhaps we should use our natural advantage, & burn our coal. In fact that we import our diesel makes our railways extremely vulnerable if any serious hostilities should occur. Our main transport is via trucks & rail, no diesel means no food in the super markets. We should see what coal powered steam trains could do using todays technology, & develop a modern steam fleet. There would be a ready market elsewhere for such if supercritical technology was used. Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 3:37:03 PM
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The worry about nuclear waste is largely out of date.
If we had any brains at all we would have a complete nuclear cycle processing system. We did up the ore, we refine it to fuel metal, we sell some on the international market, we take back other peoples waste, we process the waste by feeding it to another reactor and extract more energy out of the waste; This can be done three times I was told; Then the much lower active waste can be buried in the desert for some hundreds of years and we charge the owners of the waste a nice big sum of money for storage. What a Racket ! Where is the King of the Cross when we need him ? Posted by Bezza, Monday, 22 May 2023 3:23:54 PM
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Hi Bezza,
Maybe China has the brains and will to make it happen. China’s ‘Particle Beam Cannon’ Is a Nuclear-Power Breakthrough http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2022/06/chinas-particle-beam-cannon-nuclear-power-breakthrough/368082/ "It promises to recycle spent nuclear fuel, making it cheaper and less dangerous—and moving Beijing toward energy independence." Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 22 May 2023 4:24:25 PM
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Dr Clueless simply offers banal replies that are at best decades out of date to try and rubbish the nuclear debate. The reality is that renewables can reduce emissions but are incapable of the heavy and reliable lifting required to keep the network stable.
For example, after Lidell closed the wholesale price of power in NSW nearly doubled.
"Australia’s historic aversion to nuclear power makes it an outlier among developed and developing nations.
Bowen is determined to keep it that way but is fighting against the tide as others around the world conclude that it is all but impossible to meet our emissions reduction targets without nuclear.
Canada, China, the US and the UK are among the 32 countries using zero-emission nuclear power today.
Some 50 countries are exploring or investing in small modular reactors, the groundbreaking technology that vastly reduces capital costs and construction times. Bowen’s main argument, that nuclear power is too expensive and too difficult to consider, is looking increasingly feeble as the financial and technical challenges of the current plan become apparent.
In the absence of a progress report on Bowen’s plan to install 22,000 solar panels a day, we must assume we’re not keeping up."