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Is it right to read the Lord's Prayer at council meetings and in parliaments?

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If I had my way I would do away with all this hypocritical nonsense of Prayer etc. in anything to do with Courts & Govt.
What I would like to see is swearing Allegiance & compliance to Law & Order & Integrity !
Let's be real & face it that once Religion & Culture are involved division is inevitable.
In my suggestion religious & cultural differences don't even get a foot in the door & everyone is bound to basic human decency !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 14 March 2023 5:15:42 PM
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The existence of "basic human decency" is debatable. It is now over 40 years since all school children received religious instruction. Society has gradually deteriorated over that time. Some people believe in 'original sin'; others believe that a baby is 'decent' at birth.

I believe the latter position is wrong, and that life was much better when everyone was exposed to Christianity until they were mature enough to make up their own minds. After all, there is nothing bad about the teachings of Jesus Christ, who was an historical figure, no matter what we think about some of the things written after his death by other people.

Christianity is on the wane in Australian (as it is in much of the West), but are you prepared for the other 'religions' that will rush in to fill the void? Climate change worship is only the beginning. One thing is certain: human beings need something to believe in.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 14 March 2023 6:44:16 PM
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human beings need something to believe in.
ttbn,
Precisely, so to believe in human decency, Law & Order would put humanity on track for a less bleak future & much improved presence !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 14 March 2023 7:13:24 PM
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Indyvidual

Human decency is not a belief: it's a condition that you have or don't have. And, sadly, there is less of it about these days because, I strongly believe, we have turned our backs on Christianity.

Now, not everyone believes that, but I do and, the older I get, the more I believe it.

I am not a Bible-basher. I haven't been in a church for anything but funerals and weddings for more than 60 years. In fact, I think the organised church and its ministers and priests bear a lot of the responsibility for people giving Christianity away. When the churches start sounding like secular society, they might as well not exist. One theologian whose name I can't immediately recall said that there is no church where Christians are safe.

I have my own personal Christian beliefs, which I believe are necessary for me to know right from wrong. But, I'm still a sinner like everyone else. Nobody is perfect. I'll leave that belief to the non-religious, who think that they know everything - about Christianity itself, and things that none of us can possibly know in this world.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 14 March 2023 9:21:06 PM
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Human decency is not a belief:
ttbn,
I know, I'm simply suggesting it could be made one instead of the hypocrisy of religion !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 14 March 2023 11:19:13 PM
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The "hypocrisy of religion"? Two things about that Indyvidual. It's not 'religion' we are talking about: it is Christianity. In this one-time Christian country it is Christianity that is the most maligned, not other religions. Just imagine people in the Middle East and India maligning Islam and Hinduism, and getting away with it like the cowardly little oiks do with Christianity in Australia!

The second point is that Christianity is not "hypocritical". Any hypocrisy there is lies firmly with with human beings using and misusing Christianity for their own ends. Think the old 'singer not song' adage.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 8:52:19 AM
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