SBS is giving aboriginal names to the weather reports. The names represent locality and the language of the tribe on which a city or town was built. The names across the country are not one language, but names given to a locality by many family tribes from the past who ventured there. The cities built are not aboriginal, and the dominant culture and language practiced on the site is not aboriginal. So, what is the agenda of SBS? Many towns already have aboriginal names and are recognized by the locals and the drafters of the maps.

Aboriginals in the future could claim that there were sacred sites in Flinders Street Melbourne and that advice given to government be that all current building be removed, and native trees be re-established as it currently offends aboriginals sense of country.

Looks to me like such names made up on the run !

Of course it is not helpful, and you know it isn't; why not just say so? The blather about where the ABC is broadcasting from, and the ridiculous words on signposts is far from helpful - it is Leftist provocation and race-baiting, just like the welcome to country nonsense and 'smoking ceremonies'.

As there was no written indigenous language, these 'names' have been made up, as Indyvidual suggests.

What name have they given Adelaide? If it's a really good one it could be very helpful, as it would give us the opportunity to use it officially, freeing up the Adelaide name to refer to the entire state (since SA isn't the southernmost part of Australia).
If we get a naff name, how do we reroll?
Does the name refer to the entire metro area? If so, how'd they get the Kuarna and Permangk to agree on one?

As for Flinders Street, Melbourne, ISTR it does have some native vegetation along it, and I expect there's room for more. But any plan requiring buildings to be demolished would probably be given lower priority than the plan for the Big Cannelloni. Any suggestion to remove all of them would just be laughed out.

Anyway, what makes you think the Aboriginal population would want to see swathes of Melbourne destroyed?

Here is a chart of place names for the Aboriginal People
of Central Sydney section, including current place
names, references and historical names and descriptions:

http://australiamuseum.com/learn/cultures/atsi-collection/sydney/place-names-chart/

Sorry for the mistake. Here's the chart again:

http://australian.museum.learn/cultures/atsi-collection/sydney/place-names-chart/

I'm not doing too well.

http://australian.museum/learn/cultures/atsi-collection/sydney/place-names-chart/

Josephus,

I believe that Australia Post is to support the
use of Aboriginal place names on mail.

Here are traditional places where Australia's
cities are found:

Sydney - Eora

Melbourne - Woiworung

Canberra - Ngunawal

Brisbane - Yuggera

Adelaide - Kaurna

Perth - Wajuk

I believe that Australia Post will allow mail
to be addressed in this manner:

State Library Victoria
Woiworung
328 Swanston Street
Melbourne Vic. 3000

The Aboriginal name coming after the receiver name, and
before the address.

I don't think we'll be giving cities Aboriginal names -
merely acknowledging their traditional Aboriginal places.
Which I guess is a way to try to maintain the heritage
and try to pass on the language and history. The city
names will remain.

An aboriginal name identifies a single site not an area, Sydney Metropolitan area has hundreds of suburbs, and one name will not identify an area. When you are addressing an area say to Berkshire Park a suburb of Sydney the name Eora would not cover it not even the features aboriginals found in the suburb. The local tribe might i.e. identify it with fresh water and edible flowers. However, we are not addressing the features of the area, but the Street and House built in the area.

The street and house number and suburub as I understand
it remains the same and is identifiable as it was previously.
That does not change. What they want to acknowledge is the
traditional places where Aboriginals were found.

'Eora' is actually the name of one of the many indigenous languages. Using it would be like calling a town or location 'English'.

I lived on a farm in the mid coast of NSW where once there was a midden with a native lemon tree and sharpening stones and fish traps in the river. The campsite burnt down in the late 1800's, burning an 18-year-old young lady who was buried on the farm. My Grandparents took in her young sister after her parents passed away. This area had an established aboriginal family, and would have had an aboriginal name, but none of the tracks represented the new road layout.

I prefer native names for rivers, mountains, lakes etc as they were named before the British arrived & were natural, not built. The towns & cities on the other hand were named by the people (the settlers) who built & named them.
Each town should have a park/parks in the native name for the specific area.

Here's a bit more information:

There are about 29 clan groups of the Sydney metropolitan area
referred to collectively as the Eora Nation. The "Eora People"
was the name given to the coastal Aboriginal people around
Sydney.

"Eora" means "here" or "from this place".

The Gadigal are a clan of the Eora nation.

Talking about languages?

"The Sydney language" is the name given to the Australian
Aboriginal language that was spoken in the greater Sydney area
comprising Dharug and Eora. The names Dharug and Eora were
given by linguists to refer to the inland and coastal dialects
of the language. (Macquarie Dictionary).

There's more at:

http://cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/history/aboriginal-histories

Is it helpful?

Depends on who you are and your aims.

For most of us, its neither helpful nor important. Just more blather.

But for those that crave the warm inner glow of doing 'sumfing' for our natives, its a costless 'sumfing' and that, for them, is the most helpful of all. Costless and full of virtue - or full of 'sumfing'.

How predictable from the 'usual suspects', there's those undeserving Black Fellas being given something that should be exclusively in the White Mans domain. Sydney is Sydney, and is rightfully named after Thomas Townshend, 1st Viscount Sydney (1733 to 1800). The fact the bloke never came within 10,000 miles of the place is beside the point, he was white, British, male and from the right class in society, what more could some ask for! AND if Sid had ventured to Sydney Town, named in his honour at the time, he would have believed it to be such a sh!t hole he would have boarded the first boat out of there, back to good old mother England.

Anyway, its Paul here posting from the land of the Quandamooka people.

Aboriginals identified places by land, water features and food, not by the structures that were built by settlers. I agree with Indyvidual, that geographical features could be renamed as by previous aboriginal family.

mhaze,

Try to learn something about everything and everything
about something.

If they renamed a town after some of the extreme old posters here, they would call it BIGOTSVILLE. Ah!

Dear Paul,

Certain places have already been renamed. Uluru comes
to mind. Indigenous names can strengthen community
connections and promote reconciliation. Towards the
end of 2021 it was announced that the world's largest
sand island was returning to its First Nation's name,
Fraser Island, which was to be known as K'gari.

The local Butchulla people and many Australians across
the country celebrated this significant name change.
The local people had been campaigning for this for
years which now sees Fraser Island returned to a
word meaning "Paradise".

Using traditional First Nations names for places
like Uluru, Fraser Island, and others, both
acknowledges and celebrates the connection of First
Nations people to those places and their long-standing
connections which space tens and tens of thousands of
years.

Name changes of places are significant in that they
are a step in the multi-layered truth-telling process.

The following link explains further:

http://cela.org.au/publications/amplify-blog/jan-2022/how-incorporating-indigenous-place-names

Whoops, I left out the exclamation mark in the link. Here it
is again:

http://cela.org.au/publications/amplify!-blog/jan-2022/how-incorporating-indigenous-place-names

I often visit AOTEAROA, The Land Of The Long White Cloud, about a dozen times or more in the past 10 years. and as far as I know it doesn't resemble an island in Denmark, its not that cold.

If they renamed a town after some of the extreme old posters here, they would call it BIGOTSVILLE. Ah!
Paul1405,
Or, as in your case Othiefville.

Hi Paul,

This discussion topic has made me want to check out
my own ancestry. I found this on the web about the
Baltic people from Encyclopedia Britannica:

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Balt

Bigotsville was named after you Pauliar, as you are both old and a bigot.

shadowminister,

"Bigotsville" was named after the Oxley Moron.
Pauline Hanson, the member for Bigotsville.

I live in the country internationally known as NEW ZEALAND having previously lived in Sydney land of the old green bigots.

shadowminister,

Sydney today is full of rainbow colours.
Is that why you left?

Hi Foxy,

SM moved to Christchurch to be closer to his folk hero Brenton Tarrant. SM how is that memorial you were building going, you must be about ready to place the burning cross on top.

Just read the SBS uses aboriginal names on its weather maps. W..kers!

Pauliar,

Brendon Tarrant a fellow Queenslander of yours is your bum buddy that you spent your time working out how to kill muzzies.

Brendon is now in jail in Aukland misses you and wants to know why you chickened out at the last minute. He believes that you stayed behind to be with your other mate Johno Doig

Foxy,

As I moved 4 years ago- No. It had more to do with the bucket of money I was offered with an executive position.

As for changing names of areas, other than virtue signalling, it creates no new value but rather the opposite. Changing stationary, websites, informing customers, suppliers etc is a major expense to businesses. But as Labor and the greens don't care about business it sounds just up their street.

That there is almost nobody that can speak these languages makes it a bit of a joke.

Saw one of the woke media web sites trying to use some funny name for Frasier island. There would not have been more than 1% of aboriginals in 1777 who even know the place existed, so any "aboriginal" name for it was the name used by a small family group. The same goes in spades for Airs Rock.

I came back to Oz in 76 & spent a few weeks in Townsville where a few ratbag activists aboriginal & white fellow travelers, including some from that bastion of lies James Cook Uni, were trying to whip up a controversy over a big rock just off Magnetic island. It is a favorite resting place for sea birds, & their guano has painted it so white that no less a man than Captain Cook named it "White Rock" on his charts.

Some clowns declared this racist & wanted to name it Albino Rock. It is about time we told these dills that if they want to continue to get taxpayer handouts they have to accept our names, particularly for features none of them ever knew existed.

SM,

I believe your new job seen you get a bigger mop and a bigger bucket as well. Is it true you are now the 'Naming Officer' for the Dilly Willy Council over the ditch, and you now live in the new suburb of TRUMPSVILLE, just down the road from the newly named TARRANT TOWN.

Paul,

You sound a bit jealous there. I guess you are moping the floors in jail after your childcare business with Johnathon Doig went belly up.

You are also Trump's No. 1 fanboy and your Darling Trumpy has a restraining order against you.

SM trying to big note yourself again.

"No. It had more to do with the bucket of money I was offered with an executive position."

The real story;

AND the Boss said; "Son, you're go'n up the company ladder! AND remember, the more you PICK the more you GET....Son don't miss any of dem der APPLES!"

SM; "YES SIR!

Pauliar,

You really are pathetic. I reckon you stop taking all those drugs. Did you get hooked on them while in prison?

shonky,

Steady on old chap, no need to do your lolly, just one question, "As I moved 4 years ago", hopefully there isn't any prospect of you returning any time soon , is there?

BTW; Brenton Tarrant was born and grew up in the New South Wales town of Grafton, shows how much YOU know. Why would anyone pay and empty air head, a "bucket of money", I suppose it it takes all kinds.

Pauliar,

I have dozens of skilled employees working for me and a budget of about $100m. I have put processes and projects in place that save the company about $30m p.a. I don't even have to apply for jobs as I get offered new jobs frequently and can choose the ones I want.

By comparison, you had a little garage business that went bankrupt. It would appear that you are the twit that no one will hire.

Interesting that you need to bludge from your wife's family when you do come to NZ

Shonky (The Hundred Million Dollar Man)

"I have dozens of skilled employees working for me and a budget of about $100m. I have put processes and projects in place that save the company about $30m p.a. I don't even have to apply for jobs as I get offered new jobs frequently and can choose the ones I want."

Then he woke up, got out of the gutter, took te last swig from his wine bottle, dusted himself off, and headed for the nearest soup kitchen for a freebie. Dreams cost nothing, and some do like to big note themselves.

Giving places Aboriginal names is in my opinion dignified. It demonstrates a recognition of indigenous inhabitance of areas now occupied by non-indigenous & acceptance by all.

Pauliar,

Considering that you have lived off welfare most of your life or at her majesty's pleasure your dreams are crack induced.

Many, many years ago in a northern community, a (white of course) Uni sheilah rolled up & started asking all sorts of questions. The one that still amazes me is when she asked; "What is the Aboriginal word for Television ? ".

Indy, if you had been on the telly at the time, the black fellas would have answered all together; "IDIOT BOX".

Indy, what is the Maori words for television? 'pouaka whakaata'its a modern addition, although some prefer the original 'tea vee' which is not used that much these days, so I'm told. All languages are dynamic and new words are invented all the time, just as other words become obsolete. Its not unreasonable to ask a person what is a certain word in their language. You are under the misconception that Aboriginal languages should be static, frozen in time. Its in recent times the word 'television' was added to the English language, Say television to Shakespeare he'd give you a blank look.

Paul1405,
Gee, from 7 o'clock till 11 o'clock - 4 hours ? Did you phone a friend in the land of that long white cloud to think of this pathetic excuse of a reply ?

Hi Indy,

Was out for dinner, last evening, had a very nice 'Roast Goanna' with a 'Witchetty Grub' sauce. Seen your post on my phone, so since you stuck your chin out with the word "television" I immediately though of you and "Idiot Box" it so fits you, you do know some refer to the telly as the idiot box. ha, ha.

Anyway, what do you Yarpies say for television?

Good when you can laugh at yourself, my wife's favourite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irmVv4WD-iA

Paul1405,
Roasted Wichetty Grub are delicious !
We call Television TV for short & our ancestors who developed the technology called it that from Day 1.

Ayers Rock didn't need a new name.
I still call it Ayers Rock, and think of it that way.
Doing so doesn't confuse ME.
But others might be baffled?

If there is a compelling reason to alter a name, so be it.
But stop playing musical chairs with names already in use.
It is far too confusing.

The last thing we'd want to do is confuse poor old Ipso. When William Gosse trekked out into the desert in 1873 and "discovered" his big rock and named it after another big rock sitting in Adelaide, Sir Henry Ayers no one for the next 100 years bothered to ask the locals what was the actual name they'd been calling the big rock for thousands of years. Now if Gosse had bothered to do that, then he'd have discovered the rock already had a name and it is Uluru, and there would be no confusion in the minds of people like Ipso.

BTW, I was in London England recently, and one morning while on walkabout, at the end of this very wide street, I "discovered" a rather large mansion. On making this amazing discovery I immediately named it after the then PM back in Aussie, 'Bozo House'. Despite the protests of the locals that they already had a name for this big joint, 'Buckingham Palace', from hence forth we shall call my amazing discovery 'Bozo House'. Besides upon entering I discovered the house was indeed populated by Bozo's!

Pauliar,

When you entered the house, a Bozo occupied it. But not before.