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The Forum > General Discussion > To Change or Not to Change - Australia Day date?

To Change or Not to Change - Australia Day date?

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indyvidual,

Ben Pobjie in his book, "Aussie, Aussie, Aussie,"
tells us that:

" When the First Fleet sailed into Sydney Cove in 1788,
it was not Australia to which they thought they had
journeyed. It didn't matter much what they called it,
though the Fleeters considered themselves, British,
and the fact that they were on the other side of the world
would not stop them feeling that way."

" In fact it took some time for the British and their
descendants in Australia to stop thinking of England as
"home." - some say the tendency only really dried out
when Robert Menzies passed away in 1978. Australia - under
any name - was viewed as an outpost of the British
Empire - (and still is by some) beyond the point at which this
perception was literally true or even remotely reasonable."

Time for a change - well and truly!
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 9:11:29 AM
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I have been here over 50 years & I have paid for my being here via taxes & helping indigenous & also being robbed by a very minute minority of them.
The decent ones worked & lived the same as I & many other other decent non-indigenous folk.
The ones lacking good attributes like many other non-indigenous & many non-genuine indigenous did & do for which they greatly desire the prospects the Voice promises them.
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 9:57:16 AM
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indyvidual,

We all live in the hope that tomorrow will be better.
Unfortunately our Indigenous people have been hoping
since way back - and for many of them it has not
happened, yet.

Perhaps tomorrow?
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 10:09:15 AM
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Well, we have those that make up history to suit their political position, to divide a cohesive society and believe the World would be better as a Republic under Socialist Rule.

If Australia was invaded by war, then under Internation conventions at the time means the Victors own the rights to the Land. If it was settled and cohabitated, then a treaty should be established. At the time there were over 250 nations speaking languages and no formal written language. There was no concept of ownership of land and boundaries.
The settlers were supposed to treat the aboriginals with respect, but conflicts arose which led to deaths mostly over food not occupation of land. However, fights to the death happened in tribal conflicts before settlers arrived.
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 19 January 2023 8:48:11 AM
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Josephus,

You're absolutely right. The first inhabitants of
Australia of course were the Aboriginal people, who
generations of Australians remember from the one
history class when the teacher mentioned them.

Ben Pobjie in his book - "Aussie, Aussie, Aussie,"
totally agrees with your take on things:

" And again you're right when you
point out that they would not have thought of themselves
as Australians. The 250 individual nations that occupied
the continent had yet to gain the wonderful sense of
national unity that white men brought to Australia, along
with other marvellous innovations such as guns, and smallpox.

For many thousands of years, these people lived in total
ignorance of what they were missing out on, not ever knowing
how deprived they were until their European benefactors
cam along to teach and/ or kill them."

So of course as you point out it stands to reason that our
Indigenous people don't deserve a treaty, or truth-telling
of our history, or a Voice in Parliament. They should simply
be grateful and accept whatever we do give them at our
pleasure - as we've done for decades. And see how well that's
worked.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 19 January 2023 9:26:56 AM
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Unfortunately our Indigenous people have been hoping
since way back
Foxy,
There are countless wants the Aborigines are hoping for, what are the most likely achievable you think ?
If on one hand they want us newbies out yet on the other hand they bleat discrimination if they're asked to put in a personal effort then what exactly do think they desire most ?
There are indigenous professionals just as there are professional indigenous & the former will tell you that they worked for what they achieved. The latter have the ABC/SBS to further their cause.
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 19 January 2023 11:26:13 AM
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