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The Australian Nation - celebration AND criticism are the key : Comments

By Tristan Ewins, published 29/1/2010

There is a sense that increasingly the modern Australian nation is coming to terms with its past.

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Foxy,
I disagree. Most migrants leave any old hatreds of others behind when they come here or do not partake in violence when here.

Some, like the Croats and Serbs, continue their violence toward each other as they did before. The worst aspect is that they pass their hatreds onto their kids who grow up with the same hatreds and express that also in violence. For how many generations do you think we should tolerate this? We have at least 3 generations of Serbs and Croats here, and Lebs, at present. Each new migrant from those countries bring the hatreds with them and rekindles the hatred here.

The same thing happens with those few cultures who flout our laws and social standards. I am informed that there are women here that endured FGM, in Australia, and are now having their own daughters circumcised. Such is the strength of some aspects of culture.

Will we continue to turn a blind eye to these activities and to the violence of the Sri Lankans, in the hope that the Tamils and the others will suddenly learn to respect each other.

Now a days all prospective migrants are informed about us and our society so pleading ignorant is not on.

The politicians first duty should be to the safety and well being of our citizens so governments should uphold the laws and social standards that we enjoy. Cultural or racial violence should not be tolerated and the penalties severe.

Because of their history of violence, I think that migration of Croats and Serbs should be stopped and if the Sri Lankan violence continues, all immigration from Sri Lanka stopped also. Similarly, immigration should cease from those cultures that partake in alien practices such as FGM and forced marriages.

As I said before, most migrants settle in quite well but that does not excuse the ones that do not. Unfortunately we have to recognise that our society is not suitable for everyone or every culture in the world.
Posted by Banjo, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 8:50:39 PM
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Dear Banjo,

It sounds to me that you're scapegoating.
Most Lebanese people are not violent - and have
lived in this country for decades. The same goes
for Sri-Lankans or any other immigrants. Not all
Brits are football thugs, and so on.

As I said in my previous post - we need to start
with education at the primary school level.

Of course all cultures include traditions, beliefs,
and values that are noble and enlightened as well as
ones that may be grotesquely ignorant, racist, sexist,
and bigoted as any that may be squeezed from even the
most appalling of Ockers.

Our goals should be to create a society in which people
of non-Anglo Australian origin are given the opportunity,
as individuals or groups, to choose to preserve and
develop their culture so that they can become living
elements in the diverse culture of the total society,
while at the same time they enjoy equal access to the
rights and opportunities that society provides and
accept RESPONSIBILITIES towards it.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 9:46:07 AM
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Foxy,
Not scapegoating at all. The Lebs have been a problem since they were first allowed in by Malcolm Fraser. By Lebs, I mean the lebanese muslims. We have not experienced problems with non-muslim Lebanese and only a few problems with muslims of other nationalities and i am refering to their social conduct. The lebs have a chip on their shoulder and do not get along with anyone, even other muslims. Their anti-social behaviour has been well documented for years on OLO and other blogs as well as extensive news reporting. You do understnd that the Cronulla situation was brought about by the anti-social behaviour of the Lebs. Their disdain for our police, courts and justice has also been well documented.

As for the Sri Lankans, I think that we can only hope that the violence was due to the recent ending of civil war in Sri Lanka. My view is that any further violence should result in Sri Lankans not being allowed immigration.

History has shown that the Croats and Serbs have no intention of curbing their violence, so further immigration should be denied.

My only concern here is for an harmonious community in Australia.
We have given thousands of people lots of opportunities and many have done well. I have little sympathy for those who have little respect for us, but continue to show contempt for our society.
Posted by Banjo, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 8:07:57 PM
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Dear Banjo,

You need to get your facts straight on the
Cronulla Riots. An SMS was sent out calling for a
"Leb and wog bashing day."

Please read the following website:
http://australiansall.com.au/archive/post/australia-s-dangerous-fantasy/

It may enlighten you just a little.

I really have nothing more to say on the subject.
See you on another thread.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 9:18:19 PM
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Yes Cronulla was a response to long term racism, cultural clashes, crime, unsocial behaviour, racial slurs directed to white women, of course the rapes. Then the beach incident was the flash point after having to put up with 10 years of that rubbish. A very bad response but like the Indians today only after DENIAL by loopy fake left police who are fearful of being sued for criminilising a race. Why does it have to be the entire race? It only becomes that way after denial that non-white individuals are racist, very often,. So could not blame the problem on some gangs as all so not PC so the country rejected asylum seekers. If you cannot even control a gang then hell we better control the borders. I do not even know why this is so hard for people to understand. Not rocket science. But still we get the bleeding hearts who want to accuse some groups that were actually victims. Makes we want to vomit.

Denied by people not there, not informed, not even interested in the realities but rather just blame the bogan as usual, very lazy and very dishonest. Then the gangs attack Inidans and it is the bogans fault again, believe it or not., This is how stupid the debate has become.

Why even bother. Over it.
Posted by TheMissus, Thursday, 4 February 2010 1:23:56 PM
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Dear TM,

Ah yes, as everyone knows the world is divided
into two categories: Other people and US.

Other people are the trouble makers.
Other people makes us vomit.
Other people are disgusting.
Other people are annoying.
Other people get drunk and rape.
We are the only victims.

Sounds hypocritical?

Let's face it. For some, life is only tolerable
when they can look down on someone else.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 4 February 2010 2:53:35 PM
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