I agree with Grahamy on this occasion Keith.The role of the scientist is to be a sceptic.How can those who question the science possibly be labled as deniers, aligned with the Jewish holocaust for questioning something that has so many flaws?

Even if the West stops all CO2 production,China,India,Brazil etc will continue the expodential emitions of carbon with no beneficial result for anyone.

Apparently it is OK for the environmental movements to drive the serfs into the depths of poverty based on a flawed ideology,but many of them with their secure Govt jobs will not join them.

Raredog,

Methinks you protest too much.

Perhaps you should read (and understand) this, from the horse's mouth.

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/yamal2009/

There are a lot of misleading comments in this thread, you are only contributing to them.

Protagoras,mostly Pericles and myself are at loggerheads on subjects of economics.On this topic we are as one.It is total fraud based on the prospect of the elites achieving a totalitariarn world govt.

Pericles did you view http://www.ae911truth.org/

Q&A, my last post suggests << This is why it is significant that the movement is relying on journalists to defend the cause until some new champions can be found or the old ones can be resurrected. >>

“Resurrected”? Oh no! Surely we are not resurrecting the “hockey stick” again?

Your link offers a string of “mitigation” of Keith Briffa’s tree ring proxies by whom? Oh! Don’t tell me, Keith Briffa? Excellent.

In the end it is about a possible “indication of the likely history of tree-growth changes”.

An”indication” of “likely”? Powerful stuff Q&A.

I think I can feel a pulse in the hockey stick

If science were susceptible to "common sense" we wouldn't need professionals. The history of science is evidence and theory overcoming "common sense". Anyone who believes that ignorance and common sense will guide you as to the world's climate is just a bit ego-centric and silly.
The evidence is getting to the critical mass stage where the denial lobby will have to change tack. I'm already seeing "of course it's changing, but it's just a natural cycle". Great rhetoric, but I'm afraid the science has already precluded this idea! If it were "natural" then it would occur in a certain way. It hasn't. The changes we are currently observing are consistent with theory: Massively increase CO2 will cause "warming". Soot from Asia has been modifying the behaviour, as has ocean currents, but the *huge* amount of data from upper air and thousands of ground stations have become conclusive.
Folks now accept accurate 5 day forecasts and very accurate 2 day forecasts without question. The models, and the physics they are based on are *very* well understood. Within the limits of Chaotic systems (butterfly effect...), these models have already predicted large effects that are now being measured. We would be stupid, and deserving of extinction ourselves if we ignored science at this juncture.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could put all the anti-science and pro-religious folks on one island and let the rest of the world progress...but parasites always follow the host.

Ozandy is right, I look at it this way, and I am a scientist, biochemistry, molecular biology. too many times have we overlooked warnings, our rivers are dry, the Murray/Darling is a disgrace, primarily because a few large cotton companies have damed all the water with no regard for the fact that thousands of Aussie farmer families are trying to make a living down stream

We cannot just keep on raping our planet to make obscene profits. I see people talking about hard times, no money, we can't afford to fix it, wow, last year we spent over 4 billion dollars on new TV sets, I am sure that will fix the problem, nah exasperate it more likely.

Its time to cut out all the stupid scare tactics, we are poisoning our planet, so in reality we are poisoning our children and grand children.

Like I have said many times, I will do anything I can to assure that my grandson has a good clean free world to live in, so all you people that are trying to stop work on cleaning up this country or gtet out, I am itching for a fight.