Bunny

You are not ignorant per se. You are showing ignorance about climate science - there is a difference.

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Graham

Did you watch/listen to the rest of the video?

This is what Rachel Pinker had to say:

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/upload/2010/02/debate_australia_tim_lambert.pdf

taken from Lambert's site.

I suspect any queries you may have had would have been addressed there - you need only look, not participate.

ciao

qanda: Don't try to side step the argument regarding Climate gate.
I've met pseudo academics like you before in different scenarios.
Hypothetically - they might state the death of mega fauna was caused
only by humans. Others might state climate change, droughts killed off some but not all large animals (like the African elephant)

Others will state human predication had some influence but there is
not enough evidence to say they were the sole influence. And science
depends on evidence based on factual evidence. Not hypothesis, and
data that is corrupted to prove the hypothesis, as IPCC have done.

The climate change alarmists are those who have been saying humans by
their increased emissions of CO2 (and methane from cattle and sheep) is so bad it is forcing global warming and irreversible climate change. Wrong, wrong, wrong. So they lied to prove their point.

No doubt humans change the natural landscape, not always for the better, and pollution etc., is a result.

However the Al Gore science is wrong, the climate will change, and
the major influences are tidal currents, solar activity, and cosmic
sub atomic bombardments, that vary, depending if the sun is active
enough. Cloud cover will increase or decrease. The earths axis
and global passage around the sun, will also have a lot to do with
climate. And major volcanic eruptions have been known to bring on a nuclear winter. We are naturally an ice planet, we are enjoying right now an interglacial interlude, that might end abruptly. Or we will gradually stay here for another 1,000 years.

And in the mean time ....billions and trillions have been invested in
Carbon trading...and those people may lose their pension funds, or
investments when no government will agree to cap and trade.

I believe we should aim at sustainability, depending on what continent
and latitude we live in. If the world warms up a few degrees C it is nothing. Where I live down in the valley of my town in winter they
are up to 5 degrees C colder than where I live.

You look at this on a global basis, we can not suggest that there is one equation or solution for sustainability for all regions. That would suit all regions. Clean energy, and water conservation are to Australia extremely important aspects.

AGW CO2 emissions, or animal methane emissions do not contribute to
climate change, nor have they ever!

Soil fertility, increase micro biology and bio -diversity and not depend on chemical fertilizers, pesticides or herbicides, soil water conservation, modify agricultural methodology (poor management has in Australia done a lot of damage and can reduce agricultural productivity) if the planet cools, some areas will receive less rainfall (if solar activity is increased) other areas will receive more (if clouds are activated by less solar activity and cosmic penetration that activate clouds).

The social/political agenda suggested by the UN IPCC, now known to be based on falsified scientific data et al Al Gore, who should be imprisoned in my belief. Will not solve any projected climatic change problems. We adapt to climate change or we do not... Al Gore et al, IPCC etc., are guilty of turning science into a social political agenda. That developed countries are guilty of causing harm to undeveloped countries and should pay them for this. Through a UN unelected government to supervise this... luckily major economically powerful countries saw this as a con..

We have a few problems, if this planet receives any ET impact it will
prove that we humans are vunerable to cosmic readjustments. Just less
than 10 years ago, an asteroid missed Earth by a mere 60,000 kms.

That's close! Another Toba eruption would plunge part of the planet into a nuclear winter. It has happened before in recent times but not
so dramatically. Humans do not change climates period.

qanda, the recording is fraudulent - it is one of Lambert's colleagues reading part of a document that Pinker sent to Lambert. Lambert even admits this on his blog site.

How you could put any store on anything Lambert says is beyond me. To do such a thing is completely unethical.

If you read Pinker's document she says that Monckton's calculations are incorrect, but that his approach is useful.

I have been too busy to engage, but why would I bother when you can't even do basic due diligence on the material you put forward?

GrahamY: Hi, you have done a great job and we need you here. But
we can see now how believers twist things to suit them. 'The science
isn't settled'. Well we know that the science was never taken seriously
but the data was corrupted to suit their hypothesis. I came onto the
Forum convinced that Al Gore was a politician who saw an opportunity
to make money and get peoples attention. With Hollywood on his side
he did get people's attention. And Lord Monckton and Professor Plimer
(who spoke in our town) have now cemented that belief.

What you and others have done for me is confirm what I knew was bodged
up science and with the UN IPCC having put in the draft treaty, they
unelected would control monies and fines from abusers of the treaty
That went down well with undeveloped countries, until they suddenly realized they wouldn't be getting a cent. And in fact were also liable.
No wonder the Chinese walked out first. They are not fools. I want
to thank those who have given me more information

Dear Bush Bunny and other minimifidianists.
I do hope you're listening to today's science show, though no doubt you know better.