Arjay

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All over the world, Arjay ... regions are experiencing more extreme weather events.

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I'm interested, what do you think "hide the decline" means?

<< "We cannot account for the fall in temps and it is a travesty." >>

Arjay, if you are going to quote, using quotation marks, can you please cite your source or where you are 'lifting' the quote from.

You may be referring to that attributed to Kevin Trenberth:

"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't."

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Understanding-Trenberths-travesty.html

Read the link to see the context of:

"Global warming is still happening - our planet is still accumulating heat. But our observation systems aren't able to comprehensively keep track of where all the energy is going. Consequently, we can't definitively explain why surface temperatures have gone down in the last few years. That's a travesty!"

Q&A

Correct me if I’m wrong but you seem to be calling for intellectual honesty in the debate on global warming (or is it cooling?) by those like Arjay who simply do not believe it is happening. Perlease! You really must understand that they can hardly show either rigor or honesty when they have so little to support their position. But it is nice to see you shoot them down with such elegance.

Q&A We cannot explain where the energy has gone? Perhaps it went back out into space. China and India are producing expodential quantities of CO2 yet the temps continue to fall.The science is not settled.That whore,Al Gore, who said that he invented the internet should be charged with fraud and gaoled. http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/
Monckton lists 35 flaws and exaggerations in his movie "Inconvienient Truth"

I've searched on the web for practical experiments with CO2 ie we have a series of enclosed environments with a control being equal to the ambient atmosphere.The CO2 levels are then varied with temps constant.Perhaps you being the expert Q&A could find such and experiment.The computer models are useless,they cannot possibly represent the reality.CO2 according to the AGW exponents is almost 11,500 times better at holding heat than the other gases.

So if we have a million molecules of present atmosphere and add man's 87 molecules of additional CO2 the temps are supposed increase by up to 5%? Since 2000 man has increased CO2 in the atmosphere by 26% [369ppm to 387ppm] This huge increase since 2000 should have increased temps immensely if AGW theory was correct.Through their "trick' they excluded the Medieval warm period by manipulation of data, to make present day temps look higher.

At my request, OLO contacted Christopher Monckton and there should be an article by him this Monday on OLO.

This eventually will be revealed as the biggest scam ever perpetrated on human kind and there needs to be an open independant investigation by all scientists into so called AGW.The IPCC ,Hadley Centre and the UN should be shut down.

Arjay assures us we are going to get a real treat on Monday, from no less a person than Chris Monckton. Well you know the saying – There are lies, damn lies and statistics - and then of course there is Lord Monckton!

Monckton’s reputation is for distortion of fact, production of fiction and misrepresentation. The closest he (or for that matter Arjay) would have come to getting his refutation of global warming published in a reputable journal and peer reviewed, would be if he had found a fellow noble to make a flattering comment.

We should of course keep an open mind until we see what OLO has to offer us from the noble Monckton. But not on past form.

“Should the inability of political leaders at Copenhagen to reach a legally-binding agreement mean it was a failure?”

Reality says : Oh yea!

Pseudo-reality says; “a significant step forward”. “impressive” and “politically incredibly significant”.

Take you pick really.

Q&A I guess what is confusing here is that you are saying the record low temperatures in the UK are to be expected, trivial really to even question it.

But the UK Met office predicted a mild winter, (after a BBQ summer, which was wet), in fact some years ago the CRU predicted white winters would be a thing of the past and a curiosity for children, it would be so rare.

It's lovely to watch your work, given a huge range of predictions of the future, it must be comforting to be always able to find something that fits.

What most of us see though, without the justification goggles on, is alarming contradictions.

Gullible fools always self justify a situation, a bit like watching one of those shows on Nostradamus, to fit what they want to see, such is the supposed science of climate, which is turning out to be more the science of gambling with other people's lives for profit, through twisted statistics.

Mankind has always been trying to predict the future, and today it is no different, that pesky climate though just won't co-operate, and continues to make fools of "climate scientology".

The "shamans" of CRU certainly are trying to get the climate to fit their narrative aren't they, even skewing the peer review process to suit their fiddling with the numbers.

I'll wait for the investigations on the CRU rather that some poster on this forum who is known to be a slippery type, for my information on what's real in all this.