Pynchme, perhaps most blokes simply designate that stuff as
"womens work" :)

*The objectification of women is trivialised by many as a non-issue or written off by resorting to unintelligent slander*

Tar, I see it little different to some women intent on marrying
Mr Moneybags and bleeding him dry when they do. Lets face it,
some women do have $ signs in their eyes, when they walk down the
isle.

As some have pointed out, perhaps Mr Moneybags does indeed
deserve Ms Bigtits. They kind of suit one another and if that is
what she has been marketing herself as, that is how she is seen.

Hey pynchme,

'Even you, just a few posts back, concluded that women who disagree with the magazine action must be 'jealous fatties''

No I did not.

What do you weight? Very defensive.

I said women who use the term 'real women', are often in my experience jealous of thin women, who I proclaim are just as real as fat women.

All this focus on Anorexia, and I really think obesity is 10 times more prevalent and serious. But anorexia can be twisted to be men's fault (for 'gazing' at beautiful women) rather than obesity that's simply women's fault for eating too much. Even that doesn't stack up because the womens magazine market has the thinner women than the men's market.

'you and your cohorts attempt to portray feminists as hairy legged humourless man haters.'

Of course. It gets a rise out of you. It also allows you the ruse of ignoring the serious content of our posts; to write us off as misogynist shallow 'typical' men. Even though Col for example has sang the praises many times of many non-physical qualities he loves about his partner.

'In praising or denigrating women; it's always referring to their appearance'
Rubbish, I attacked the quality of the whole article, with one bit of bait thrown in. I think you should read Nina's article on the ease of baiting the average pynchme type. Anyway it's 'de rigeur' on OLO to attack the motivation of all authors. Why should feminists get special treatment.

'What is the relevance of that article? '

Relevance to what? The article is about what it's about. Should female politicians not ever be seen as beautiful women? Should Tony Abbot not be seen as a Budgie smuggler? Alex Downer not as a cross dresser? I'm much more offended when they tell you what she's wearing in an article about something else. I remember my 'feminist' friend asking only 'what was she wearing?' when her father met Julia Gillard.

If you think that's 24/7 you need to broaden your reading material.

Thanks for directing me there though, I enjoyed this...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1242017/Twilight-star-Ashley-Greene-wears-body-paint-sizzling-new-ad-campaign.html

Houellebecq: You're too tedious and basically dishonest to be able to conduct a good exchange of opinion.

These are you exact words from the first post:
<"From my experience, nothing screams fat jealous bitch like the use of the phrase 'real women'.">

This is my recent paraphrase of your words as quoted above:

<'Even you, just a few posts back, concluded that women who disagree with the magazine action must be 'jealous fatties''>

This is your current attempt to sanitize your original statement as well as have a jab at me personally in a way that isn't generally directed at men:

<"No I did not.

What do you weight? Very defensive.

I said women who use the term 'real women', are often in my experience jealous of thin women, who I proclaim are just as real as fat women.">

You say that disparaging women is a way to, "It gets a rise out of you. It also allows you the ruse of ignoring the serious content of our posts; to write us off as misogynist shallow 'typical' men.".

Now you have a choice. You can either leave out the disparaging comments and have an adult conversation; or you can leave in the disparaging comments and have us diverted from the "serious content" you're trying transmit.

Your choice.

I've got better ways to waste my time than this.

pelican,

'Give me an organic gardening or news journal in preference.'
You've just moved out of the target market.

It's like I have to keep reminding myself about TV; It's not aimed at me any more. The government provides the ABC as a welfare initiative for people who aren't in the target market for advertisers that fund the entertainment industry.

Yabby,

It's just as easy to fall in love with a rich man you know.

Cornflower,

Exactly. Thin is in because it is hard to attain in your average slothful glutinous western lifestyle.

I think really this whole beauty industry is solely a responsibility of, and a reflection of, women.

Women compete with each other to attain an ideal they have created themselves and projected onto men as being responsible for it all. Gay guys used stick thin models to sell clothes, women decided this occupation was glamorous and expanded the fashion lust for the clothes to the actual bodies hired to display the clothes. Men are neither here not there in the whole scenario, but where there is a feminist, you'll always quickly find a man to blame somewhere.

The proof in the pudding is that you'll not find many feminists at all interested in the lack of physical exercise most girls do or their poor diet and being over weight, you instead see a super strong emphasis on the few girls who take on this competitive extreme to cover for their self esteem problems.

Guys who take steroids to be muscular don't blame girls for swooning over Brad Pitt.

Women could take a leaf out of the social expectations of men who mock and laugh at each others beer guts and thinning hair in good humour and deplore vanity. Metrosexuals could well do the same. Much better than this bitchy behind the back womans way where chicks are obliged to compliment friends to reasure each other on every change in appearance, and are afraid to be seen at two social occasions in the same outfit.

It all comes down to vanity. You reap what you sow.

pynchme,

The two quotes are the same. Neither says that 'women who disagree with the magazine action must be 'jealous fatties'', both say the use of the term 'real women' screams fat jealous bitch.

You've made it clear that you never have any intention of addressing any of my points and just concentrate on your image of the 'typical' male. So I play up to your expectations, and give you what you want.

I understand you don't have any answers, so I leave the bait there as a service to you, as you have no comebacks for...

pynchme: as the article points out - many men feel entitled, even obliged, to pass judgement on a female's looks.

Houleeee: The celebrity cellulite exposés show that women are way harsher on each other than any guy would be. Nope, the ultimate judge of women and their bodies is other women. Womens magazines demand thinner models than 'lads mags' too.

pynchme: It's a good article.

Houleeeeee: An article with barely 2 paragraphs of any real substance that merely states the bleeding obvious (ie the whole exercise is 'air cover') , and the rest referencing from The Telegraph forum is not a good article.

pynchme: many men feel entitled, even obliged, to pass judgement on a female's looks..... as noted in the articles re: the quotes from men

Houleeeeee: How dare they reject the ideal of feminine beauty being promoted in this display in favour of something different.

(ie: men rejecting just what the author wants rejected.)

pynchme:What is the relevance of that article?
Houleeeeee: Relevance to what? The article is about what it's about. Should female politicians not ever be seen as beautiful women? ...I'm much more offended when they tell you what she's wearing in an article about something else.

All pretty adult conversations. Questions from me, no answers from you, but instead cowardly diversions like...

pynchme:For you: ... Not all females need to be regarded as mateship material 24/7 - we can do other things besides bonk and produce babies.

Where exactly did I say anything like that?

Many a true word is said in jest. Take for example, "nothing screams fat jealous bitch like the use of the phrase 'real women'." Most of us need to eventually face up to the fact that we aren't as attractive as we could be. The point behind Houlie's one-liner is that some bigger women women react to their predicament by being bitchy toward those women who are more fortunate or have better self-control. This obsession with body image gives them a licence to be nasty to models, its almost their duty as women. It would be so much preferable if women were encouraged to act with a bit more dignity.