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Government theft : Comments

By Justin Jefferson, published 29/12/2009

Faced with the problem of coveting other people’s property but not wanting to pay, the federal government got the states to take it instead.

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I think what Peter Spencer needs is a "good" lawyer (and I use the term loosely), who is prepared to undertake the fight on Peter's behalf, pro bono.

There would be huge advertising advantage for the law firm who backed this lawyer and I'm sure there would be plenty of Aussies angry enough about the whole situation to donate time and money to the cause if this could be organised.

The biggest hurdle would be to find a "good" lawyer (as in skilled enough and virtuous enough), with the "heart" to go the pro bono line.
Posted by punkrose, Thursday, 31 December 2009 1:56:05 PM
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I think what Spencer needs is a good psychiatrist, rather than any sort of lawyer.

Mind you, it occurs to me that the situation which has apparently driven him to engage in his silly stunt could best be alleviated by issuing carbon credits to landholders who voluntarily or compulsorily grow native trees on their land. They could then trade those with the big carbon emitters like coal-fired power stations and be 'compensated' that way, from those who directly benefit.

Oh hang on - that would require something like an ETS, wouldn't it? Of course, agriculture couldn't be exempt - as the failed Rudd government legislation proposed - because that would be double-dipping. However, smart farmers could offset their emission liabilities by engaging in environmentally friendly practices that would attract carbon credits.

It also occurs to me that none of the agricultural and forestry vandals who created ecological disasters such as we see in the Murray-Darling Basin have been required to compensate anybody for their destructive activities - either other farmers who live downstream from them or general taxpayers who must foot the bill for remedial measures. And we won't talk about the millions of dollars extracted from ordinary Australian taxpayers annually in order to pay unsustainable farmers drought relief.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Thursday, 31 December 2009 2:35:52 PM
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Theft is theft. The Federal Government have used the State Government via devious legislation to destroy the incomes of thousands of Australians under the pretense of environmental caring.
There is a bigger picture and our Government is not telling us the truth. Divide and conquer. Send everyone broke by placing them in a position whereby they spend thousands of dollars defending their basic right to own their land free from bureaucracy.
I google a lot and I find that there has been a planned process to gradually remove land ownership world wide.
Ask yourself what is Communism. Communism has changed it's name these days so as we are not aware of what is actually happening. Environmentalism and Green are the new arms of communism plus all the politically correct ideology. This is a war that has been going on behind the scenes with pens and treaties. Wake Up people. What happened to the Communists? They just infiltrated the Political System and found ways to reach their agenda under the radar.
Posted by 4freedom, Thursday, 31 December 2009 3:00:27 PM
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C'mon guys lets not turn this into a paranoid Communist conspiracy theory. Both the far right and far left have histories of confiscating land so let's not get too carried away with Left/Right dogma.

Peter Spencer already has a good lawyer who is working pro bono. The fellow whose name escapes me was interviewed by Alan Jones on the link that was given on the other thread in General articles. He was an would-be-Liberal candidate who did not win pre-selection over Turnbull at the time.
Posted by pelican, Thursday, 31 December 2009 4:06:57 PM
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Pelican, you are correct this is not about left or right politics. It is about theft of private property by whatever government. Private land in fee simple title is the backbone of freedom. If you believe in freedom in Australia, then no amount of spin will change that fact.
One of the tenets of Communism is to remove ownership of property around the world. It is in the Communist Manifesto. That seems to be what is happening at the present moment in Australia, our land ownership is being attacked by legislation.
And Pelican, there are politicians that have an agenda that fits right in with the removal of our land ownership.
Posted by 4freedom, Thursday, 31 December 2009 4:30:58 PM
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4freedom you said "And Pelican, there are politicians that have an agenda that fits right in with the removal of our land ownership."

Possibly, but not in Australia. Can you really see the ALP or the Liberals in Australia as too Left Wing or Communist? I don't see either the Liberl/Nationals or the ALP as advocating the removal of property rights in its rawest form. There will always be some regulations in all things to protect others or for the common good - the question is how far do we go and what regulations should be put in place.

Look, I happen to agree with Peter Spencer's concerns because farmers should not have to take on the full burden of the Kyoto Protocol targets without some financial assistance.

Another example: John Howard was accused of a land grab after the NT Intervention - while not a Howard supporter I will grant that I don't think his Government did it for those reasons. I think that Mal Brough at the time really thought the Intervention would help Indigenous Australians after the release of the Little Children are Sacred Report.
Posted by pelican, Thursday, 31 December 2009 4:41:49 PM
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