No matter. The Copenhagen Conference is a shambles, which is not surprising coming from the people who gave us the Great CO2 Scam.

Just what is going on with the presentation of data said to measure the past temperature of our planet.
This journalist claims that is not clandestine data manipulation to use a “trick” - or "a graphic device" - that was used by Michael Mann in a 1998 paper in Nature in which he added aggregated temperature records from instruments to complete a set of temperature data derived from tree rings.
He states that the “trick” got around a widely discussed problem that tree ring data after about 1960 do not show warming.
Yet trees have been growing, trees have even been cut down and tree rings analysed. Huon Pine at Mt Read in Tasmania has been studied to give a reconstruction of the temperature record from 1600 BC to 1991 AD. The accepted scientific paper uses a calibration period of 1920-1991 comparing the reconstructed temperature to the “actual”.
Yet this journalist states that tree rings show no recent warming “ probably because of intervening factors like nitrogen pollution or changes in atmospheric humidity.
And the author states that Mann, chose to hide this ‘discredited’ tree ring proxy..
Such statements would normally result in demands for royal commissions and examination by independent experts, yet because it is “green” science aimed at saving the world it is dismissed as a PR disaster.

Carbon taxes are all about funding a NEW WORLD ORDER or world govt owned and controlled by the corporate elites.

Carbon taxes will not reduce CO2 by one molecule.Aust has increased the production of coal.If we were truly serious we would decrease exports instead of increasing taxes.

There are better ways of decreasing CO2 than increasing taxes.In any case,I don't think that CO2 is the monster it is portrayed.

Climategate shows us more than just scientific fraud,it shows appalling attitudes of venom,ad hominem and tribalism,that have nothing to do with scientific objectivity.

Ah yes, how silly of people, the problem is not with the data or how it is manipulated, the problem is the way the release of it was handled, of course it was.

How to respond to the "crises of the data being let loose into the wild, no longer shepherded by ever so clever climate scientists".

This is an attempt to shift the problem from data manipulation, for nefarious and clearly monetary reasons, to mere slips in language and a problem of perception.

The method is called, "Bait and Switch", well used by politicians and their "climate minions" now it seems.

How terribly trivial, and all this fuss .. indeed. If it wasn't for scaring the children, if it didn't affect our lifestyles, if it wasn't going to cripple our economy and put the world's countries against each other, it would be trivial.

As someone else posted, if this had been oil companies using such language, then no amount of silly and clumsy attempts at coverup would be tolerated.

Instead of explaining when they issue hysterical forecasts, to the press and politicians, about the ways and vagaries of how their "science" is done, they give the Jack and Jill version.

It's clearly not a strong and factual arena of science, is it?

Our resident supposed scientist (RSS), regular as clockwork posts in an attempt to discredit other posters and suppress the debate. It seems he really is a climate scientist, he behaves like one and seeks to manipulate data and "hide the decline"! (no, we don't believe your explanation, climate scientists are short on credibility right now)

I can see the author and RSS are in different stages of Grief, the RSS is in "denial", the author is at "bargaining" .

People are pointing at this fiasco in a supposed science, it seems now is partially made up, it might be explained in complex papers, but it is always left out as mere details when going public.

Well, it turns out people are not so gullible, and you are all accountable.

A poster here said who pays for the scientists to prove global warming? Well the politicians of course. The modelling has to reflect what is called for. To pay for thier imeptitude.

In the state of NSW today we have just been informed by Energy Australia that we will all pay $900 extra for electricity this coming year and more over 3 years, that, after just receiving a huge price hike.

Government inaction on infrastructure and outright ineptitude have put this state where it is presently. The price hikes are partly due, we are also told to the ETS that appears to be coming regardless of Copenhagen. I have to wonder what we would pay if indeed the whole process was correct.

Computers will prove anything you want from data input. However, computers have not yet learned to think for themselves; analysis only reflects the input and the programming which are put there by? Oh, scientists, being paid to do so, and you can programme a computer whatever way you wish. Get what I mean? Particularly, if your livlihood and remuneration for the next decade or more depends on it.

Hehehe! The herd mentality is strong in this one. Could he be the one to bring balance to the force?

If this article was spun any harder we might have corrected the shift in the earths axis! :rolls eyes: