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How the Far Left hijacked the Palestinian cause : Comments

By Philip Mendes and Nick Dyrenfurth, published 18/11/2009

The anti-Zionist fundamentalists love the gun not the olive branch.

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As the Berlin Wall proved not to permanently separate the two ideologies; so it will be with the Israeli walls.
Philip and Nick have postulated that fault in not reaching a two state solution lay with the "far left" I assume Hamas.
Note there were two sides to Arafat's move and the Zionists hard line prevailed to the point where disagreement within the Palestinians was inevitable. (Of course Israeli would have been well aware of that)

But history has moved on. Hamas are an elected Government.
Israel have gone so far with expanding their Settlements that a two state solution is now not a proposition...Be it on their heads, the 'state' of Israel was imposed on the Palestinians and now they want their land back.
The only possible solution is a secular state governing for all as equal citizens must now be worked towards with the hard line Right in Israel ceasing their provocations and oppression of the Palestinians or waiting for history to determine their fate.

Israel has become a Zino-fascist state, practicing apartheid with their 1 million arab citizens desperately trying to convince the rest of the world that a 'promise' in the old Testament is some sort of land tenure document that has given them a God given right
Posted by maracas1, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 11:30:30 AM
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Read the article when it was published it was twaddle then and still is
Posted by John Ryan, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 3:49:52 PM
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What mendacious rubbish! It's a new hasbara tack blaming Palestinians' predicament, due mainly to the zionist invasion of their lands, the British and later, the US, on the 'far left'. One would think from this article that Sharon never visited the Temple Mount to spark the second Intifada, that it arose from nowhere.

The authors' racist assumption that 'given that most Palestinian Muslims are highly religious and overwhelmingly reject secular and democratic ideas' is particularly offensive, almost tragi-comical, given the religiously racist nature of Israel, recently delinated in a US Department of State report commenting that "governmental and legal discrimination against non-Jews and non-Orthodox streams of Judaism continued." Israel has no constitution - the terms by which it was recognised by the UN remain unfulfilled - and there are no guarantees of religious freedom or equality in its Basic Law. Its laws against discrimination are woefully inadequate.

The authors furthermore seem not to recognise Netanyahu resists the freeze of West Bank settlements, with the full support of the ziolobby, with little likelihood that all settlements east of the illegal apartheid wall will be dismantled - the US has backed down even on freezing existing settlement growth. Israel's part in the 'peace process' is as ever a con job - its aim is to stretch out negotiations to allow as much Palestinian land and resources to be alienated as possible, for who will stop it?

The Palestinian bantustans are strikingly apparent now, from the concentration camp of Gaza, to the West Bank with Palestinian towns and villages encapsulated by the illegal apartheid wall snaking through around illegal Israeli settlements. Israeli apartheid, genocide, land theft, military occupation and the implicitly contradictory 'jewish democracy' with its ugly, self-induced victimhood as primary defence strategy will not stand. One state remains the only viable, just option. Two states would perpetuate the existing bantustans and vile oppression.

Palestinians have already made far too many concessions to the zionist land thieves - the right of return of the largest community of stateless people on the planet is non-negotiable.
Posted by Fringe, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 7:39:41 PM
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“Carrying a gun and an olive branch, Arafat appealed to the Assembly not to let the olive branch fall from his hand.”

Yes typical of Arafat, open with threats and intimidation.

Since then the circumstances of Palestinians have gone backward.

Arafat (the man who never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity) is dead, thank God…

He lead the Palestinians, for too many years, on a path of murder, terrorism, hijacking and bombing and left Palestinians with the idea that they have some special, inalienable right to terrorise other nations with impunity.

So now the lefties are at the heart of the Palestinian movement.. well nothing new in that, they always were.

Trotsky’s notions of universal revolution still has its fruit-bat followers and the desperados of the left will sooner take that course.. where life is in a state of continual conflict and turmoil,

than accept that capitalism / libertarianism is the only decent political ideology course which brings benefit to people.

So the regarding the left and the Palestinians, the “right” is not responsible for your stupidity. The desperation of your plight is of your own making.

After you have denounced your chosen path and beliefs and accept other people have rights too, then you will start to find life gets better but until then you are doomed to suffer your self-imposed misery and depravation.

Frings “Palestinians have already made far too many concessions to the zionist land thieves - the right of return of the largest community of stateless people on the planet is non-negotiable.”

Land thieves? More like lost as the “spoils of war” in 1967…. Too bad, so sad… if the Palestinians and their Arab neighbours had not tried to push Israel into the sea they would not have forfeited what they had….

“Land theft” is insignificant, compared to the Israelis “life theft” as a result of murder by Palestinians ….
Posted by Col Rouge, Thursday, 19 November 2009 7:36:56 AM
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Well before the early Korean War the idea of a multi-powered backed UN was figured to handle what is argued about above, yet only finally fairly backed by little nations like Norway.

As was said so long ago by Immanuel Kant, for a democratic future there is only one way that our world will stay at peace, and that is by a well-planned United Nations.

However, while it was Britain that smashed the League of Nations because it lowered her political priorities, it was America which deliberately buggered the UN because it lowered her Pax Americana status.

Thus we might say that top dogs do have a use, but certainly not proven since WW2.
Posted by bushbred, Thursday, 19 November 2009 10:48:24 AM
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Israel aren't expanding their borders, albeit still defending them. The land rights issue surrounding this perpetual hatrid between Israel and Palestine rests now with Palestines plans to unilaterally declare a sovereign state. Even 21 years since Arafat announced Palestinian independence, Palestine has never gained/regained full independent confide nce. It's an absolute joke to see this never actually implemented on ground, yet still recognised by many countries (?) They even control only 40% of the WB, so what the hell is happening with the remaining 60% ? Israel rule ? And you thought you already heard the joke of the year ...

Palestine must administer its own government throughout the West Bank. I say screw all accords relating to the distribution of governance across these areas; what we currently recognise is nowhere near real. Neither have any God-given rights to the land, but Palestine still deserves what is essentially its own.
Posted by OmarO., Saturday, 21 November 2009 9:32:41 PM
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