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Emotions and politics : Comments

By Eric Claus, published 17/11/2009

We need to think a little more with our heads and a little less with our hearts.

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*The three types are “Head”, solving by thinking, “Heart” solving by emotion and “Body” solving by intuition. You can’t get one type to behave the way another personality type does. It’s a contradiction in terms to say “think with your head rather than your heart”. Heart types don’t think, they are driven by emotion.*

Actually Spindoc, that is not quite correct.

For of course in the end, it all comes from the "head" or brain.

Yes indeed, different sections of the brain compete, even if at
the level of the subconcious. Every thought has some emotional
input, for at all times we are feeling something, be it happy,
sad, anxious or whatever. These emotions colour our thoughts.

Yup, some people just kind of follow their feelings, then kind
of rationalise it all way to suit. We call them the emotionally
engulfed. But we can also think about what we feel and why, it
can be learned. Daniel Goleman covered alot of this in his
"Emotional Intelligence", the evidence backed by understanding
from neuroscience.

So heart types do in fact think. However the stronger an emotion,
the less we think. When we are in a rage, we are not thinking
clearly for instance, unlike doing things when we are calm.

Heart types do in fact think all of the time, its just that
commonly the emotional centres of their minds can easily dominate,
even if they are unaware of it.

So the author does not have it as wrong as you claim.

But I grant you, teaching the mass of population to learn to
think about what they feel, would be a huge task and involve
some serious education in our schools. However emotional literacy
is certainly being taught, above all by business. The problem
with that is that its harder to teach a 40 year old or 60 year
old dog new tricks, rather then a 6 year old one.
Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 2:49:29 PM
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Yabby
I was stunned 'Good Grief ! I'm two posts in a row And I'm largely agreeing with Yabby!'

But just before I went into total heart defibrillation I read your bit about Business teaching one to think about ones feelings and act logical'
That my sparring partner spared my life. I sighed a breath of relief and muttered "not necessarily so". Most companies I've been in demand that you suspend your personal morality and act in the best interests of the Company. One reliance on the pay packet( and Maslow's heirarchy) means you need to be a skilled politician/manipulator of others if you are to succeed.

And IMHO there's the rub my esteemed combatant. Generally big business acts primarily in it's own interests not people.

Elsewhere Spindoc made a key observation in that we focus on symptoms rather than the causes or consequences. And that, fits into our general make up, plus or minus depending on conditioning and circumstances.

Eric
my perspective in general.
Posted by examinator, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 6:25:48 PM
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'As with so many decisions we make, the policies we’ve chosen are based on emotions rather than critical thinking.'

Absolutely Eric. This is one of our [humanity's] greatest foibles. It pervades all manner of issues, not least the two that I have recently started general threads on;

The lack of consistency and appropriateness in the policing of the law; http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3232

And the paucity of funding for basic scientific / taxonomic / ecological research; http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3227

Both of these are strongly connected to the lack of critical thinking within political circles, resulting in poor policy, poor funding and poor consequent outcomes.

Cheers.
Posted by Ludwig, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 7:40:16 PM
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Some excellent points Yabby, thanks for that. Current research shows that there are a number of factors that are conditioning human reactions to anything and everything.

1. I.Q. this is our genetically inherited raw intelligence capacity
2. Personality type (the nine personality types as defined in Enneagram – Helen Palmer – self knowledge or spiritual I.Q)
3. Our Desires for Fame, Love, Affluence and Power (Goethe)
4. Emotional I.Q. (Goleman, the four stages of emotional development)
5. Attitudes, Values and Beliefs (AVB’s) (Social I.Q, adopted or mandated by societies/politics/religions).

The type of intelligence to which I referred was No.2, the personality type. Whatever you are as a “type”, you’re stuck with it.

Goleman’s EQ however, refers to the acquisition of the skills to understand and manage our emotions, the two are quite different.

Hope this clears any misunderstanding.
Posted by spindoc, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 12:48:34 PM
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* I.Q. this is our genetically inherited raw intelligence capacity*

Spindoc, with respect, I see things a little differantly then you
do. Genetics gives us potential, but IQ would be a combination
of genes and environment, certainly the way we tend to measure it.

We see this even in rats. If you put a rat in a cage from birth,
with no outside mental stimulation, it turns out differently to
a rat which has had various experiences and learned along the way.

I haven't studied your "9 personality types" in depth, I will concede
that. But I regard it as a little simplistic. For instance, where
do the psychopaths fit in? Rather I try to undertstand things in
terms of 6.6 billion personalities, each made up of a combination
of genetic, as well as environmental influences.

Identical twin studies make for fascinating study, but even then,
we find some differences, due to environmental influence.

What I also find interesting, is some of the neuroscience analysis
done on war veterans and others, who have had part of their brains
destroyed, but lived to tell the tale. They will change personality
overnight, depending on which parts of the brain were destroyed.

Examinator, you missed my point. It is business which has taken
up the teaching of EQ, because of the benefits, rather then
schools, where it really belongs. For good reasons too. Understanding
peoples emotions, is in fact highly profitable. Shopping is often
described as an emotional experience and businesses such as the
Body Shop and many others, have thrived by recognising this fact.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 10:43:35 PM
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David F. Oxymoron mate. There are only the first kind of politician. You're thinking of an extinct species I'm afraid.

I think it's clear that you, like most voters, don't understand the role of an MP. They do what their Party says for sure but their role is to vote the wayu their electorate wants, not their own conscience or views and certainly not that of their Party.

The only ones who get close to that are the Independents.

They are not conscience votes at all. They are votes of people voicing their own opinions, not those of the people who elected them.

The thing we should all remember, every time you hear a politician speak, is they have no real interest in anything but being elected and not caught in the feed box. Hands in the till etc.

Otherwise they have no beliefs, no morals and no trouble sleeping.
Posted by RobbyH, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 11:33:02 PM
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