See Shadow? I told you this would happen...

Anyway, netjunkie are you suggesting that life only deserves to exist if the woman didn't concieve with intent to be promiscuous?

Because the woman's "irresponsible" sexual conduct seems to be the REAL focus here.

Anyway, I hope you at LEAST read some of the points we've made and try to answer them..

But to answer one of yours YES- it is obviously very hard and unlikely to get an unwanted child adopted- if it wasn't, there'd be no children raised in broken families.

To lazily say "oh well that's their responsibility" just as much means that the wellbeing of the child's upbringing and the consequences of this to the mother, child and anyone who encounters the child is all in the hands of someone who had irresponsible sex.

Suzeonline, I’m glad the women who sought 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions needed hospital board approval. The types of abortions used at that stage are barbaric- we would not treat our dogs that way (we certainly wouldn’t treat out whales that way without the token Hollywood protesters).

I have no problem with abortion being done to save a life. But in modern Australian medicine that is almost never necessary. It certainly isn’t necessary 100, 000 times a year.

You know why most abortions occur though? “0.03 per cent of women choose to do so because the pregnancy was caused by rape; 0.007 per cent because the woman’s life could be in danger; and 0.1 per cent because of a possible birth defect.

Alternatively, 60 per cent choose to do so in order to avoid the cost of raising a child and 24 per cent because the woman fears the impact the child would have on her career or studies.”

Re: after birth adoption: 15 year waiting lists to adopt would not exist if men and women 1) chose to abstain or 2) chose to use contraception and 3) chose to adopt the kid out if they had an unplanned conception. Our problem isn’t lack of prospective adoptive parents, but lack of kids to adopt.

The broken families thing is completely different! Those are kids whose parents have CHOSEN to raise them, but the parents’ relationship didn’t work out. A tragedy as well, even if it is common.

“21 weeks is possible but improbable, and certainly not without serious problems.” So? They’re still alive just as much as you or I.

1 year survival of someone with pancreatic cancer is possible but improbable. Should we kill all inconveniently alive pancreatic cancer sufferers?

“Anyway, netjunkie are you suggesting that life only deserves to exist if the woman didn't concieve with intent to be promiscuous?”

What the hell?! Where did I ever say that?! It takes a basic 8th grade sex ed class to tell you that you can get pregnant after only one act of sex. And it’s not just “promiscuous” (your word, NOT mine) women who end up with unsupported pregnancies. Some women are even married but not intending to conceive. All I said is that with rights come responsibilities. If you do an act which could lead to conception, but you’re not ready to be a parent, then don’t be. But you don’t need to kill the foetus in order to avoid raising it.

The reason I ask is because you keep differentiating "rape" and "consensual sex" (and their 'justified' consequences) in this issue, and therefore assume your 'human life' waffle is nothing but a cover for the distaste of women having sex and accidentally getting pregnant and needing to be punished for it.
If unborn babies were THAT important, what difference does it make if the mother conceived them voluntarily or not?

Now, some particular points you made need to be re-evaluated.

"Alternatively, 60 per cent choose to do so in order to avoid the cost of raising a child and 24 per cent because the woman fears the impact the child would have on her career or studies.”
Ok, now read this out loud to yourself over and over again. Then once you get tired of it, ask yourself why it would therefore be a bad idea for these women to be raising these children.

"The broken families thing is completely different! Those are kids whose parents have CHOSEN to raise them, but the parents’ relationship didn’t work out. A tragedy as well, even if it is common."
So families with children that the parent(s) actually wanted to abort but were denied- would NOT fall under this category. Right. It takes a bad family background in general- not specifically separated parents.

"Re: after birth adoption: 15 year waiting lists to adopt would not exist if men and women 1) chose to abstain or 2) chose to use contraception and 3) chose to adopt the kid out if they had an unplanned conception. Our problem isn’t lack of prospective adoptive parents, but lack of kids to adopt."
But they don't. Case closed. If these measures would MAGICALLY be applied 100% there would be no demand for abortion- but there is, so abortion should be an option. Simple. And it's tough luck for the consumer demands for foster children if women aborted- as much as if your scenario came true- so it's a non-issue.

The assumptions that all the anti choice activists make in their logic, is that having sex and putting your child up for adoption is as simple as buying ice cream.

The societal and peer pressure, biological desires etc are not considered. If they were, they would realise that adoption is generally an issue of last resort for the mother, and that whilst abortion is a very difficult choice, adoption is impossible.

Likewise the decision to have sex by the woman is less to do with getting their jollies than with the emotions around a prospective relationship. Irrespecitve of how responsible they are with regards sexual contraception, accidents do happen.

To hold up biblical sexual practices as the ideal, and then claim that if you breach it you must lose the right over your own body is thinking from the dark ages, which fortunately carries little weight today.

To be honest Shadow, I'm convinced that these people simply don't give a single hoot about any of the consequences once the baby is born- the mother got what was coming, as far as they're converned and therefore their work is DONE.
So the whole range of bigger issues of a possible adoption, upbringing, mental health, population, costs etc are pure afterthoughts in an agenda based on pettiness.

Whatever happens next happened for the right reason- the harlot got denied a free bonk.