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Good planets are hard to come by : Comments

By Andrew Glikson, published 3/11/2009

Lost all too often in the climate debate is an appreciation of the delicate balance of life on our planet.

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Oh cool, we finally get to prove something to a skeptic.

Cheryl, look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_rise to see that sea level has risen about 10 centimeters (that's 100 millimeters) over the past 50 years. Around 2 mm/year, and the rate has been increasing lately.

Case proven. Global warming is real.

Couldn't find anything about scorpions though.
Posted by Geoff Davies, Friday, 6 November 2009 5:06:37 PM
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So what if the global situation is changing, isn't that nature.
Those of us that live above ground at the moment , can always dig holes to live in. If you already live that situation don't worry about it.
The people that are screaming now are the ones that live on the beach.
Nature will take it's cause no matter how many insults you hand out.
Instead of insults ' put up some proposals that will not send society back to the stone age.
If you can't do that invest in a pick and shovel and start digin;
Posted by Desmond, Friday, 6 November 2009 7:18:20 PM
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Geoff, check out todays Australian re rise of 1.7 mm in last 50 years.

Eschew wikepedia and facebook as sources.
Posted by Cheryl, Saturday, 7 November 2009 9:41:59 AM
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The Australian article also reports:

The consensus view of the scientific community remains that sea-levels are rising at an accelerated rate because of human activity that has warmed Earth.

The CSIRO's John Church, considered one of the world's leading authorities on sea-level rise, told The Weekend Australian yesterday he remained convinced waters along the eastern seaboard were rising in line with global averages. He noted that the BOM's gauge results for Port Kembla as published here did not include the effect of barometric pressure, which, if included, would lift the sea-level increase to 3.1mm, not much less than agreed global estimates.

The Australian continent was also rising slightly - about 0.3-0.4mm a year around Sydney - which had partially offset increases in sea levels, he said. And an analysis of records from a gauge at Fort Denison in Sydney Harbour - not incorporated in the National Tidal Centre report - also revealed that, after 1950, periods of extreme sea-level rises occurred three times as frequently as in the first half of that century.

"There is a clear acceleration in the rate of sea-level rise," Dr Church said. "In the last 20 years, it's almost twice the global average for the 20th century."

Dr Church said the NSW coast was likely to experience sea-level rises greater than global estimates due to changes in the wind stress patterns in the Pacific Ocean, which will strengthen the East Australian Current. And if polar ice caps were indeed melting at a significant rate - which is not yet established - Australia could witness even bigger swells still.

Dr Church challenged Mr Kininmonth's assertion that only a thin surface layer of the ocean was warming, saying recent studies provided evidence of deep ocean warming although it couldn't be quantified as yet.

A spokesperson for the NSW Department of Environment, Climate Change and Water said NSW had selected the upper end of the IPCC modelling predictions because both emissions and measured global sea-level rise were now at or above the upper IPCC estimates.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/science-is-in-on-climate-change-sea-level-rise-17mm/story-e6frg6nf-1225795202916
Posted by Q&A, Saturday, 7 November 2009 10:18:59 AM
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Geoff

Bob Carter and William Kininmonth are home grown apparatchiks of right-wing think-tanks - Lavoisier Group (Australia) and the Heartland Institute (USA) - spruiking and lobbying for a very powerful and forceful 'deny-n-delay' brigade. It is in their interests alone to maintain the status quo, business as usual. I'm sure you know this.

If Cheryl doesn't know or understand the tactics of the professional 'denialists', then it stems from ignorance and so must be given some slack.
If she does know the distortions and misrepresentations that these professional lobbyists and public speakers engage in, then she is arguing from an ideological perspective and her understanding of the science is very rudimentary.
Posted by Q&A, Saturday, 7 November 2009 10:39:19 AM
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Cheryl, read the article. That's 1.7 mm PER YEAR. That makes 85 mm in 50 years.
Posted by Geoff Davies, Saturday, 7 November 2009 1:37:25 PM
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