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Asylum seekers: the uncertainty and the separation : Comments

By Susan Metcalfe, published 22/10/2009

Australia should not be deliberately causing further harm to asylum seekers under any circumstances.

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Yesterday UNHCR released their report 'Asylum Levels and Trends in Industrialized Countries' for the first half of 2009. The report noted that asylum applications in industrialized nations had risen by 10 percent in the first half of 2009 compared to the same period last year. High Commissioner António Guterres said, "These statistics show that ongoing violence and instability in some parts of the world force increasing numbers of people to flee and seek protection in safe countries...There is an acute need for countries to keep their asylum doors wide open to those who are in genuine need of international protection."
The evidence is overwhelming that the increase in boat arrivals we are seeing is the result of dramatic increases in people fleeing violence.

Susan Metcalfe
Posted by Susan M, Thursday, 22 October 2009 8:49:17 AM
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I do get just so sick of the rubbish these bleeding hearts expect us to swallow, when ever they prattle on about these illegals.

First they tell us that they are poor refugees, fleeing, starvation, torture, & persecution at home.

Then you tell us they are physiologically damaged, when we put them into a rest camp, while we try to find out just who the bl@@dy h@ll they are.

Give us a break love. For many of them, the living conditions in these centres are better than they have experienced at home, for most of their lives. They have food shelter, clothing, entertainment, & medical care, to a very high level. If it weren't for you bleeding hearts bleeting at them that they are being badly treated, many would happily stay in such luxury, for the rest of their lives.

Hell love, throw in a couple of cans of beer a day, & you would need much stronger fences. Not to stop the detainees breaking out, but to stop about 10% of our population, trying to get in, to experience such comfort.

Have you ever thought of getting a life, & perhaps a new violin?
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 22 October 2009 10:18:20 AM
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Come on down to innovative Australia: holding the torch for new & creative ways to display hate and ignorance in the South Pacific ;-)
Posted by E.Sykes, Thursday, 22 October 2009 10:41:41 AM
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Susan Metcalf. What you are asking from the Australian Taxpayer is that we must be responsible for all and any refugees. I don't feel the resposibility is mine/ours. The responsibility rests with all governments to force countries like Sri Lanka, to accept responsibility for their own people. Perhaps with help from the likes of Australia.
You mention that medical attention is not the best in detention. Do you have your eyes closed, medical attention to Australians is not the best either, even though we pay through our taxes and pay into private health funds. Taxpayers who have to use Medicare are put on a list which could take months, and Medicare doesn't always cover health care. Our Aboriginals are faced with dreadful health care, do you think its OK to put illegals ahead of these people.
Most of the health problems for those in detention happened before they arrived here, but its much more news worthy to say we caused it. The refugees use this tactic to gain sympathy and force entry into this country.
If these so called refugees are Tamil Tigers then they should not be accepted into this country, they are Terrorists.
What our government should do instead of paying Asian countries to look after these people, they should be sent back to Sri Lanka and we should help that government rehouse and look after these people properly. They themselves have no qualms about beginning hazardous journeys with their children and expect everyone else to accept the responibility for their behaviour.
Posted by MAREELORRAINE, Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:32:36 AM
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E.Sykes

That foolish, offensive statement destroys your credibility in one go. You malign Australia for doing what all other countries are similarly doing, insisting on choosing who enters their borders to settle.

For umpteen years Australia has brought in new records of migrants and to the extent where its own population has had to accept a reduction in living standards as evidenced by continually high housing prices and high taxes to create new infrastructure for the burgeoning population of migrants and their extended families.

While you have the gall to suggest that Australians are racist, by far the greatest majority have willingly made way for new arrivals to displace themselves and their children in employment and flex their cultural traditions to make them feel accepted and comfortable. We even encourage multiculturalism - how many immigrants can say with any conviction that their country of origin does the same?

While you might scoff at the attempts by successive governments to deal with the crime of people smuggling and ensure only genuine refugees enter, you have no constructive solutions to offer. Again, many countries are in the same position as Australia and we are doing nothing different to them, except giving numerous opportunities and allowances for the frauds and criminals to take advantage of our humanity and generosity.

What about some constructive suggestions on how to deal effectively with countries that deliberately displace whole populations as an act of war or politics? What would you do to prevent people smuggling?
Posted by Cornflower, Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:35:52 AM
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Thanks for another well-written article, Susan. We need informed writers, such as yourself, to provide some balance and perspective to counter the fear and hate-driven misinformation and ignorance, which unfortunately dominates so much of OLO thinking when it comes to the vexed issue of asylum-seekers.

It is indeed timely to be reminded of the horrors and the ongoing legacy of Nauru - and of Howard's inept and immoral Pacific Solution - now that Kevin Rudd seems hell-bent on creating his very own 'Indonesian Solution'. The calm reassurances and the valuing of human dignity of our current immigration minister, Chris Evans, are very welcome, but are in grave danger of being over-ruled by the odds-each-way rhetoric and policy preferences of Kevin Rudd and his so-called 'tough but humane' approach.

If Australia is to offload its responsibilities onto Indonesia, it must greatly increase the assistance given to this populous and comparatively poor island nation to house and process the huge numbers of asylum-seekers it's being asked to deal with. Currently, the majority of asylum-seekers there face the truly awful choice - of either being left in limbo in appalling conditions for years on end - or of being deported back to danger.

We must also urge Indonesia to become a signatory to the Refugee Convention. The current government there seems to be acting decently, but there's no guarantee that will continue. We must also do more to monitor, pressure and assist governments in places like Sri Lanka to protect the rights of persecuted minorities so that they're not forced to flee their homeland for safety.

Hasbeen

Your sneering and patronizing tone only further reinforces your complete ignorance and disregard for the suffering being experienced by millions of displaced people throughout the world. Instead of telling well-informed people like Susan to get a life, why don't you venture out of your comfortable little existence for a change and find out what's really happening out there in the wider world.

BTW, quite apart from everything else about your posts, referring to female writers as 'love' truly stamps you as a dinosaur you are.
Posted by Bronwyn, Thursday, 22 October 2009 11:52:57 AM
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Well, gosh, we might start with, as a nation, obeying our own laws and the internatonal laws (and agreements) we are signed up to. "Problem" solved.

Again then, so that the nationalist idealogues on this site can have something to froth at the mouth about:

Under Australian Law and International Law a person is entitled to make an application for refugee asylum in another country when they allege they are escaping persecution. Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that "everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution". People who arrive on our shores without prior authorisation from Australia, with no documents, or false documents are not illegal. They are asylum seekers-a legal status under International Law. Many Asylum seekers are forced to leave their countries in haste and are unable to access appropriate documentation. In many cases oppressive authorities actively prevent normal migration processes from occurring. 'Illegals' are people who overstay their visas. The vast majority of these in Australia are from western countries, including 5,000 British tourists.

And in say, Iraq and Afghanistan, there are no queues for people to jump. Australia has no diplomatic representation in these countries and supports the International coalition of nations who continue to oppose these regimes and support sanctions against them. Therefore, there is no standard refugee process where people wait in line to have their applications considered. Few countries between the Middle East and Australia are signatories to the 1951 Refugee Convention, and as such asylum seekers are forced to continue to travel to another country to find protection
Posted by E.Sykes, Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:00:25 PM
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Australia is not off-loading its responsibilities to Indonesia. Like all other countries affected by people smuggling it is endeavouring to work in partnership with its neighbours to control the problem. There is international cooperaton to detect and deter people smuggling, does that mean that all of the countries involved have 'off-loaded' their responsibilities too?

A media report said that Indonesia is hampered in its action against people smugglers because conspiring to smuggle people is not an offence in that country. That is something that needs rectification, quickly, to save hundreds of lives. Is Australia doing wrong in suggesting to Indonesia that there is a gap in its laws that encourages criminals to take advantage?
Posted by Cornflower, Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:06:30 PM
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From the article “Such little concern was held for the welfare of asylum seekers and refugees that people taken to the Pacific Solution camp in PNG in 2001 were placed at great risk.”

One has to observe, these “migrants of economic opportunity” showed little to no concern for their own personal welfare in the first place.

Presumably the example of the 14 year old girl, I can only assume she was put “in harms way” by her parents.

“Many of the people we have damaged are now living among us with the problems we gave them. Some may never recover”

maybe we should have shipped them back from whence they came…

but as the old saying goes : Volenti non fit injuria

“While it is important that Australia maintains control of its borders it is vital to remember that the boats arriving contain human beings who are likely to have already faced persecution and suffering”

And many who are simply pursuing their sense of “entitlement” to take advantage of the economic opportunities which they will enjoy once here. Without respecting their “obligation” to apply for proper visas, in an orderly manner.

Ultimately “Mee-Too” Krudds “Indonesian Solution” will look like Howards “Pacific Solution”… because

it is the only solution

and anything else could cost him an election

because it is what the wider Australian community (you know, those who pay taxes and cast votes, beyond the demented activist lobby) see as necessary and want.
Posted by Col Rouge, Thursday, 22 October 2009 12:18:23 PM
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*We must also urge Indonesia to become a signatory to the Refugee Convention.*

Lol Bronwyn, now why on earth should the Indonesians be so stupid?
The 1951 Convention is 50 years out of date and around the world it
is largely being misused, by economic migrants, who seek a cushy
Western lifestyle. Meantime the real refugees remain forgotten
in refugee camps around the world. Our focus should be on them.

According to today's West Australian, the 78 asylum seekers
plucked out of the water by the Australian navy, had drilled holes
into their boat and then used a satelite phone to ring the
Australian maritime authorities for help. I guess the assumption
was, once on an Australian boat, life would be sweet.

Whilst we have so many gullible suckers in Australia, those with
money and a few brains will keep devising ways to get around our
system with impunity and play us for fools.

Amazingly neither Susan, Bronwyn or CJ are able to justify why
those with the money to pay smugglers in a boat race, should be
considered for settlement in Australia, ahead of those stuck in
refugee camps.

I guess when the heartstings are tearing, rational debate does
not come in to it.

I could be wrong, but I've yet to see anyone post that we should
take no refugees. Its the boatrace problem that people object to.

Its being taken for a sucker that I certainly object to.
Posted by Yabby, Thursday, 22 October 2009 2:03:41 PM
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Well finally something I can agree on with Yabby. The problem with the left is that they have really deceived themselves in believing they are taking the high moral ground that somehow they are the compassionate ones and everyone else is racist, hateful or ignorant. Already we see the outright manipulative tactics used by these illegals. I wonder if the illegals have read the lefts handbooks. They know if they can use women and children to get their way they will do it. The worse part of this is that many legal queue waiters are suffering bad if not worse than these people without the publicity.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:25:03 PM
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What a trashy load of claptrap. I have no great affinity for the Howard government, but they were miles ahead on immigration, despite the children overboard rubbish. The current flood of Tamils have no right to asylum, they started and lost a war in their own country, we don't want them doing the same in Australia.
Terrorism is like a cancer, one single cell can destroy the whole body, do you really believe there are no terrorists among the thousands of refugees coming out of Afghanistan and Pakistan?
You also failed to mention the abnormally high proportion of refugees that are now receiving disability pensions thanks to the Australian taxpayer. I can't help but worry that some of that will be used to carry out terrorist attacks in Australia in the future.
Posted by Saintly Sinner, Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:30:27 PM
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runner,
I agree with you. The bleeding hearts on the matter of the illegals aliens falsely try to portray themselves as compassionate. But in reality they are cold and ignore the genuine refugees that desparately need help.

It is pitifull to see them supporting the actions of the liars and cheats that bribe and buy their way into Aus.
Posted by Banjo, Thursday, 22 October 2009 4:18:34 PM
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Bloggers should know certain facts about these Tamil asylum seekers.
1) They lived in a tiny island state called Sri Lanka.They were accepted cordially by the Sinhalese people and accorded equality and citizenship which they have enjoyed for centuries without any thought of demanding a state of their own.Tamil politics led to a movement for Elam independence, or a separate land for themaselves. So much for gratitude and inclusivity offered by the people of Sri Lanka. They proceeded to tearthe island apart to achieve their goal. Now that they lost the war they feel that Australia should offer them asylum.We had nothing to do with the history of Sri Lanka and owe them nothing.
2) Guess where the Tamils originate from?
INDIA !! They are people from Tamil Nadu, a southern state in India.There they have friends and relatives. They've been coming and going to Tamil Nadu all these years as they've been assisting in manpower and money to help the Tamil Tigers.. It should be only natural that they turn homewards for help and protection through asylum. The crossing from Jaffa is a mere 50 + km and very much safer than trying to cross the treacherous Bay of Bengal in those leaky boats in the hands of snake heads. Why do they do it?
Could it be that there's no Centrelink and medicare there and no decent education, too?

Why are the other Tamils happy enough to stay on? There are thousands of them in government employ and business. Some are even in the Sri Lankan armed services. Why arent they being persecuted and interned. They are quite happy to be a part of Sri Lankan society.Not this lot!!

socratease
Posted by socratease, Thursday, 22 October 2009 4:30:13 PM
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I am all for hearing an alternate. I do think we have strong obligation towards those from Afghanistan as we are occupying there so hold joint responsibility for the security of it's people.

However if people make a choice to utilise unseaworthy vessels and engage criminals to transport them the government would be high on the negligence front to turn a blind eye. If they do and a boat sinks they are responsible. The boat itself is really the illegal part of this debate. Plane arrivals therefore present no such dilemma. Airlines have appropiate safety measures, insurance and professional operators and take the responsibility for the safety of passengers.

So should we allow them to cross the ocean and take their chance and watch them drown, again? Is this the suggestion? Or should we go pick them up if their story makes the news but don't bother if it doesn't.

Not getting any real sense of people would find acceptable on this website. Reads like well, I do not want to be blamed for anything so I will just say everyone else is inhumane and blamed. Easy cop out.

btw I live in a dengue prone area, never been fogged and deet is only rarely distributed, immediate area when confimed cases have occured only. This is Australia.
Posted by TheMissus, Thursday, 22 October 2009 5:01:37 PM
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hello Susan,

look you make the comment, 'While it is important that Australia maintains control of its borders ...'

Would you mind expanding and telling me exactly what this should involve when in relation to people arriving on boats.

From your comment it is fair to assume you'd not be prepared to welcome 10 million refugees. So at what point would your border protection scheme 'kick in' so as to effectively limit boat people arrivals? ... and since none of us know the likely numbers I think that a fair and reasonable question.
Posted by keith, Thursday, 22 October 2009 6:54:22 PM
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“…caused great suffering to genuine refugees, damaged our standing around the world and created dependency and division in the poor countries we bribed to hold people.”

The ‘Pacific Solution’ stopped people trying to get into Australia illegally. Any suffering to ‘genuine’ refugees was caused by their arrogant assumption that it would be alright for them to come, illegally and uninvited, to Australia. The ‘division in the poor countries we bribed to hold people’ has got me stumped. Places like Nauru were only to happy to get the money from Australia. The ‘divisions’ Metacalfe can’t explain, apparently, but it sounds good.
“Such little concern was held for the welfare of asylum seekers and refugees that people taken to the Pacific Solution camp in PNG in 2001 were placed at great risk”, claims Metcalfe.
What? Greater risks than those they claim to subject to in the countries they sneak out of? Greater risks than their ‘dangerous journeys on leaky boats’?

Metcalfe also drags up the Tampa incident again. Rudd has said that his information was wrong but, not being a left-wing twit, he will never be forgiven for that. The behaviour of the illegals themselves towards Australian troops more than cancelled out that misunderstanding anyway.

I wonder if Metcalfe’s mates have decided that the illegals who were rescued (unnecessarily) by Australian in Indonesian waters did not really drill holes in their boat.

“In 2005 a group of 25 asylum seekers in Nauru were so badly traumatised that the Coalition Government had to bring them onshore to try to fix the damage caused by the Pacific Solution policy” is another of Metcalfe’s claims. If they were tough enough to take on a rigorous and dangerous boat journey (we are continually told how terrible that is), why did they turn to cream puffs just sitting about on an island that the locals seem happy enough to live on? Well, says Metcalfe, they were mental cases before they got there. Now, aren’t they just the sort of people we need to come here illegally!

Continued
Posted by Leigh, Thursday, 22 October 2009 7:58:08 PM
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Continued,

And, of course, one was suicidal, it is claimed. I’d wager that had the prospective suicide been left on Nauru, he would still be alive today. How many of these people have to indulge in self-harm (as in Baxter) and threaten to kill themselves or sink their boats before non-thinkers like Metcalfe wake up to the blackmail tactics of country-shoppers!

Temporary visas were NOT ‘designed to punish genuine asylum refugees…”, another wild accusation from Metcalfe. These people should have been turned back, but the Howard government, like the current one, didn’t have the bottle to do that, making it quiet clear that any ‘punishment’ handed out by a weak Australian government is a figment of the author’s imagination.

And, the fate of 353 women and children who perished on SIEV X is firmly down to adult passengers and crew of the ship. How anyone can turn the spotlight onto our government when parents are actually cause the death of their own children is beyond me to understand.
Just imagine the hue and cry if Australian parents took their kids to sea in a clearly unseaworthy boat and caused their deaths.

“Many of the people we have damaged are now living among us with the problems we gave them.”

The problems ‘we gave them’. What absolute rubbish. They had no business coming here in the first place; and the blame should rightly be sheeted home to the illegals themselves.

Metcalfe persists in asking what the Opposition wants, and insists on blaming them for what they did when they were in government. The current lot doesn’t get a mention. We now have a Labor Government which has to make the decisions. If Metcalfe and her kind want to cry crocodile tears over people who have brought their woes on themselves, she should be giving some thought to the fact that, if Rudd had not dropped Coalition measures to stop illegal entry, then the boats would not be coming, and she would have nobody to blame. More about politics than the compassion claimed.
Posted by Leigh, Thursday, 22 October 2009 7:59:54 PM
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bile, bullying and bollocks is what most of these comments represent. all presumably relatives of the liberal party's crazy uncle Tuckey
Posted by bullblog, Thursday, 22 October 2009 8:32:35 PM
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Does anyone know if faking a mental illness increases an asylum seeker's chances of being let in?
Posted by benk, Thursday, 22 October 2009 8:46:50 PM
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A report on getting a passport suggests:http://www.mrt-rrt.gov.au/docs/research/LKA/rr/LKA17724.pdf
People going to the West for asylum purposes usually leave Sri Lanka on a valid passport and forged documents are rare, given that it is very easy to be issued a passport in Sri Lanka. An applicant would normally have to produce a birth certificate and an ID card, but in some cases people have also obtained a passport without an ID card. One can receive the new document even within 24 hours. Under normal circumstances it is therefore not necessary to forge passports.

It goes on to say only passports of criminals or LTTE supporters maybe impounded. Can anyone comment on this because if they have a passport and $15,000 does not make sense to travel by way of a human trafficker. Just tryig to see what you all think is right because name calling and woolly waffle simply does not address the issue.
Posted by TheMissus, Thursday, 22 October 2009 9:01:38 PM
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I'm sure there would be no studies, however I know that's its very easy to fake an anxiety/depressive illness. It is basically a clinical diagnosis meaning no lab tests are required. You only need to tell the doctor you have poor sleep, lack of motivation, loss of interests, weight changes and maybe appetite changes. It is very easy to convince a doctor and be labelled as depressed. You could easily coach a person in less than an hour, send them in to see the doctor and come out within another 20 mins having been diagnosed as depressed.
Posted by ozzie, Thursday, 22 October 2009 9:36:04 PM
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bullblog: << bile, bullying and bollocks >>

Yup, that's about the size of it.

ozzie: << You could easily coach a person in less than an hour, send them in to see the doctor and come out within another 20 mins having been diagnosed as depressed. >>

In even less time, a decent and compassionate Australian could read any discussion about asylum seekers at OLO and experience the onset of a bout of acute depression.

Leigh, has anybody ever told you that you are a truly hateful person?
Posted by CJ Morgan, Thursday, 22 October 2009 9:46:36 PM
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This is incredible. Asylum seekers treated badly - what about australians living on the streets. stuff the asylum seekers when they come here legally i will feel sorry for them. what they are doing is breaking australian law and if they can afford ten thousand dollars US then they can afford to go through the proper channels.And when they get here maybe they could think about getting a goddamn job is that too much to ask ?
Posted by Jack - AUSTRALIAN PATRIOT, Friday, 23 October 2009 12:14:05 AM
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Runner,
In almost every post you refer to "the left".

Who precisely are "the left" or are they just a generic term of abuse for anybody who disagrees with your narrow views?

I should also mention that your remarks are the very antithesis of the so-called compassionate religion you profess to follow.
Bleating about the evils of child killers while turning endangered children away from your door is pretty weird and hypocritical.
Posted by wobbles, Friday, 23 October 2009 12:51:43 AM
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Bullblog… from your reference to the liberal party, I suspect you are some limp wristed leftie whimp who still believes in the fairies at the bottom of the garden. Why do you not try debate instead of hurling?

I am always happy to have a hurling contest with and as CJ Moron (Rover) knows.. I have some experience in it (but I do prefer debate).

I see CJMoron is welcoming the Bullblog… now I have this vision of two dogs……….. doing what dogs do best… which reminds me.. can you still buy that lemon beer?

CJMoron “Leigh, has anybody ever told you that you are a truly hateful person?”

Leigh.. I will translate for you from (the original Moronic script)…

Leigh, you have obviously made a salient and irrefutable point which cannot be argued or challenged by the limited intellectual resources available to whining refugee activist and their fellow leftie travellers
Posted by Col Rouge, Friday, 23 October 2009 7:02:05 AM
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Congratulations refugee haters. You have won an all expenses paid trip to a detention centre to test out your theories. First you will transit through Sri Lanka. You will pose as a minority Tamil. You will have a choice of accommodation - you can either stay in a camp where you will suffer in fear and face interrogation with thousands of others, you may or may not be believed. Or you can live in the community where you will constantly evade being detained or interrogated. You cannot express your own views. You can try to escape the country through the airport, good luck with not being picked up and thrown into jail. If this happens you are on your own. If you make it by plane to Australia, congratulations, you have avoided the hatred thrown at people coming by boat. But you will most likely end up on a boat. Good luck surviving the journey. If you make it to being intercepted by the Australian navy you will be taken to a tiny island you have never heard of. They won't speak your lanaguage. You will share a room with three left wing refugee lovers and you will have an indefinite period to test your theories. Here you can try faking psychosis or faking suicide attempts, find out if your blood is real or fake? No-one is paying any attention for a long time anyway. You will do as you are told by guards if you can understand them. You will go to jail if you are disobedient. You will not return to Australia. After many years you will go to a country where a small minority hate people like you and blog on the internet about how evil you are - even though they know nothing about you.
Posted by bullblog, Friday, 23 October 2009 8:00:26 AM
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Bulldog this is it isn't it, the internet gives ordinary people the means to voice their opinions. In the past our governments have treated the voters as if they have no voice. But guess what the voters do have a voice and they want a say in how this country is run and especially who, how and when people come to live and be given the advantages this country has to offer. Australians have never been given the opportunity to voice their opinions on immigration. Many, people come into this country and receive welfare immediately. Some never get off welfare. Just because we are giving our opinion doesn't mean that we are racists or that we hate assylum seekers, it means we would like to have a say and we should be listened to. We want whats best for Australia and Australians.
Posted by MAREELORRAINE, Friday, 23 October 2009 9:11:05 AM
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Where is the chorus of condemnation for Kevvie and his decieptful fraudeluent 'Indonesian solution'.

Come on where are all you people who delpored John Howard's Pacific Solution

What do you think Susan?

Rudd's doing what John Howard did in the pacific only he's doing it in Indonesia! And he has the utter hide to pretend it is humanatarian! At least Howard was honest about his scheme.

Rudd isn't fair dinkum!

Where is your disgust at his shallow pretence.

It is a bloody national disgrace.
Posted by keith, Friday, 23 October 2009 9:19:38 AM
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This is unbelievable i think the pacific solution was a great idea no immigrants for us and nauru gets money for its economy. its a everyone wins solution.And as for the muslims in the uk pushing for sharia law in the uk i say good riddance i hope the EDL gives you what you deserve.
Posted by Jack - AUSTRALIAN PATRIOT, Friday, 23 October 2009 6:41:28 PM
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These Tamils are notto be called "illegal immigrants" because that somehow robs them of their dignity and makes them a bad name.
OK
so they are not to be called "illegal immigrants" but they sure as hell ARE NOT ASYLUM SEEKERS! If they were running from persecution and genocide as some have claimed they would naturally flee to safety, to India which is a stone's throw away across the Palk Straits. The cultural and religious homeland of their origins, the State of Tamil Nadu, is in a state in southern India where they have friends and relatives. Why dont they go there?
Why risk life in the hands of unscrupulous snake heads and try crossing the most treaacherous expanse ofwater of the Bay of Bengal in leaky fragile boats ?
Think this one out seriously, guys. Does it mnake any sense?
Why not go to Tamil Nadu, their state of origin?
On Q&A I heard a Tamil woman deny that Tamil Nadu was their state of origin. So now they are willing to deny their heritage!! The lying so-and-so! I couldnt believe it!!I bet she has a couple on one of those boats.

socratease
Posted by socratease, Friday, 23 October 2009 8:04:30 PM
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I agree the "Bleeding Hearts" are running the show.
A case in point, those on the Oceanic Viking are not immigrants of any
sort and are not the responsibility of the UN Refugee organisation
or the Australian Government.
They are on the Oceanic Viking as a result of a distress call and a
request by Indonesia for their rescue. They were in the Indonesian search and rescue zone.
The nearest vessel was the Oceanic Viking and they were picked up
under the Safety Of Life At Sea Treaty known as SOLAS.
Thats the proper way things work. Each party made the right decisions.

I too wonder why they did not go to Tamil Nardu.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 26 October 2009 1:47:02 PM
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This is crap can you not see that these tamils are attemtping to blackmail an entire country with the excuse " we will blow the boat up if we don't get permanent residency" THERE WAS AND IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HOWARDS PACIFIC SOLUTION.
Posted by Jack - AUSTRALIAN PATRIOT, Monday, 26 October 2009 2:15:09 PM
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Patriot

I support the Howard policy entirely.
You are quite right,pal.

socratease
Posted by socratease, Monday, 26 October 2009 3:13:16 PM
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Thanks the pacific solution did do a lot of good, it bolstered the fragile economy of Nauru. Not to mention Australia did not have to deal with immigrants.
Posted by Jack - AUSTRALIAN PATRIOT, Monday, 26 October 2009 3:20:02 PM
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Jack

did you know that the LTTE owned and operated ship recently tried to enter Canada carrying illegal immigrants from Sri Lanka. What most Australians dont know is that the ship came crudely disguised as Ocean Lady. Its ogrinal name was Princess Eesarwary which was used to pick up arms and deliver them to the Tamil Tigers. Recently it called in to an Indian port, what its business was isnt clear but you bet it had something to do with Tamil Nadu the original homeland of all Tamils. The only ones the ship would be carrying would be important to the LTTE. I cant see them giving the poor and needy Tamils a free ride to Canada. Only those with high-up connections with the Talil Tigers would be able to be accepted. I mean the terrorists themselves.Their ship and crew! There is some deep and murky going-ons here. The LTTE has made no secret of the fact that the war isnt over. They intend to reorganise, recruit and re-arm. They raised enough overseas capital during the civil war to buy fighterbombers and guided bombs with which they bombed Colombo and sank a number of naval craft as well. They are experts in raising the money needed for their terrorist operations.

No one seems to have bothered contacting Dr Gunarathne resident of Singapore and world expert in international terrorism. When dealing with Islamist terror organizations the Govt was all over him asking help to combat them but have they contacted him re. the Tamil Tigers? Doesnt look like it.

socratease
Posted by socratease, Monday, 26 October 2009 5:08:58 PM
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Bullblog “Congratulations refugee haters. You have won an all expenses paid trip to a detention centre to test out your theories. First you will transit through Sri Lanka.”

Why?

So I cam presumably be enlightened into the life of a Tamil?

I suggest before I am required to pretend to be a “Tamil”, you have both legs amputated and you can feel what it is like to be the victim of one of the many a Tamil Tigers bombings.

So, I will when you will….

“If you make it by plane to Australia, congratulations, you have avoided the hatred thrown at people coming by boat.”

And go straight to a detention centre and back from whence you came…. There is no avoiding migration services at airports.

“You will share a room with three left wing refugee lovers and you will have an indefinite period to test your theories.”

Ah the smell of a leftie would make me puke but I could do a public service and use the vomit to smother them – so I just hope one of them is you.

Although… maybe you should be locked up with the reverend Fred Nile to enjoy him reminiscing his favourite sermons.

Now obviously we should give Bullblog some latitude, his reasoning and persuasive skills less than those of an amoeba.

I look forward to more of his posts.

Jack and socratease you are both right and accurate in your posts
Posted by Col Rouge, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 8:04:11 AM
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